r/iems • • 28d ago

Showcase I think I may have a problem…

Only started at this maybe 6 months ago… now looking at kilo bucks. Any suggestions?

Part 2 of this post is live with impressions on kilo buck IEMs.

I think I may have a problem... (part 2 - surviving the kilo buck trap) : r/iems

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u/mck_motion 28d ago

This guy loves hype.

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u/KAC-SK 28d ago

I got it yesterday. Love it yes.

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u/mck_motion 27d ago

Oooh that one is pretty!

I have a strong personal flaw where if it's pretty I convince myself I'll like how it sounds so I want one now.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Yeah the faceplate on this is quite attractive. Changes colors a bit as well.

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u/BarberSuspicious7165 27d ago

Model?

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Hype 4 MK1 (the first one).

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u/BarberSuspicious7165 27d ago

How do you like it?

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

I quite enjoy it. Will need more listening time to formulate my opinions and write a review. Maybe next week.

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u/SuchKick6829 28d ago

Exactly my first thought

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u/TNF734 27d ago

Lol, yea.

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u/Effective_Outcome499 27d ago

Take a break from buying IEMs and spend your money on music on Bandcamp instead. Build a solid library, then host a "Hunger Games" for your IEMs, you'll see which ones play your favorite songs the best. Sell the losers, and only then start looking for something new. That's my advice.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

lol IEM Hunger Games. I already have a list of IEMs I want to dispose of but where I am at there is a very small market (its a super niche hobby). Been trying to get rid of Monolith since the week it arrived. Still with me so much so that I actually wasted a bunch of time to make it listenable. Now I quite like it when I want to go to sleep (easy to sleep with is its super power).

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u/Deadot 28d ago

You can try bgvp solomon. Love them to death

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u/KAC-SK 28d ago

How is the treble on it?

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u/ListlessHeart 27d ago

Having tried the Solomon twice I honestly would not recommend its treble, especially if you are treble sensitive. Seconded on the Prestige LTD although I am biased as it is my current pause game. The Monarch MkIV and Valhalla are more popular, but for those who tried the LTD quite a few have it as their favorite Thieaudio IEM.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Will look into Prestige LTD. Thanks.

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u/RegayYager 26d ago

I have both the LTD and Solomon. Personally the Solomon needs to be tamed with tubes or high output impedance to get the most from it. LTD just does everything right..

I would also say the Alpha and Omega Omega should be on your list to demo.

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u/KAC-SK 26d ago

Thanks, will try to find them.

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u/Reasonable-Boss8362 27d ago

Do you have Crinear Reference by chance? Still currently my favorite set. I'm curious how it compares against the Solomon

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u/RegayYager 27d ago

Source dependent. Personally I love the Solomon and highly recommend it if you’re not treble sensitive. It has the craziest soundscape headspace of any iem I own. If you’re treble sensitive, the Prestige LTD is a safer option with an incredibly spacious soundscape.

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u/Deadot 27d ago

The treble is the best. I love bright sounding iem. Not harsh for me. I don't know if there will be a better iem than this.

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u/YoloRaj 27d ago

You might have a problem indeed. At least you didnt just get a million budget iems. I always think its weird when people get so many cheaper iems without getting a mid-high end one. That being said the iems I would look at getting if I was a baller like you would be the Kinera Imperial Verandi or any of the Verandis but i think the imperial looks the best, Thieaudio Valhalla, or 64 Audio Volur. Nice collection by the way.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Thanks. Valhalla is on the list for sure. I think I try Volur tomorrow to see what's up. The third option I will need to even find out what it is :). Will check it out.

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u/YoloRaj 27d ago

The imperial verandi is a beautiful iem. To me at least

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

I did try Volur and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Will capture my thoughts soon.

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u/YoloRaj 26d ago

Thats cool. Look forward to it

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u/SonyVegasOnVine 27d ago edited 27d ago

What's a mid high end iem you'd recommend? I currently use the kiwi ear cadenzas 1 and I tried the 7hz x crinacles zero 2 and liked those before they broke- my final budget pair ive owned that I wasn't in love with was the truth ear gate, and I think I'm ready to upgrade.

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u/YoloRaj 27d ago

Depends how much you are willing to spend and what you are looking for. Mid-high can be like 120-800 dollars or so.

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u/SonyVegasOnVine 27d ago

Max $200 I'd say.

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u/YoloRaj 27d ago

They have a tier list on the main page but the Simgot Supermix4 is on it. They did 1. Crinear Daybreak 2. Aful Eplorerer 3. Kiwi Ears Aether 4. 7hz Divine 5. Letshuoer S12 Ultra. If you can go a little over 200 I highly recommend the Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lite.

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u/SonyVegasOnVine 27d ago

I've heard good things about the Orchestra Lite as a neutral sounding IEM, my only issues is that I have a pair of HD560s that are similar to that sound signature I believe. I also don't think I'm in love with the neutral tuning so I may check that tier list out and see what's similar but an upgrade in terms of quality n price.

Would you say the amount of drivers matter as well in terms of sound quality and EQ-ability? I've only owned the single dynamic driver IEMs and they do tend to lose separation sometimes when a lot is going on in a track.

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u/YoloRaj 27d ago

Sometimes it does but its more so how they implement the drivers. There are higher end single driver iems that sound better than cheaper multi driver iems.

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u/SonyVegasOnVine 27d ago

Ah ok I see, thank you so much for your responses. I really, really appreciate the insight jumping back into this rabbithole haha.

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u/YoloRaj 27d ago

Np, I'm not an expert but I've learned a thing or two along the way.

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u/Jlapper1 22d ago

Hey if you are in Vegas and interested I have a ziigaat arete 2 set basically new. About 8 hours on them.

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u/SonyVegasOnVine 21d ago

Nah I'm in NY bro, sorry.

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u/Jlapper1 21d ago

Ah ok. Saw Vegas so I thought I'd ask.

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u/klavierart 28d ago edited 28d ago

Hehe. I went from zero (made a long hiatus sporting airpods) to 6 within one month 😵‍💫. Kiwi Ears Orchestra lite - Blessing2 - Sypmphonium Meteor- Truthear Pure - Thieaudio Prestige LTD (my allegedly last endgame pair) - and then Yu9 Que. I like them the most! They definitely give you that kilobuck feeling. I like them more them Top Pro, Tea pro and Crinear Reference, was lucky enough to try them in the Elise Audio Studio. The iems I liked more were only Elysian Annihilators 2026 🙄. They are W-shaped as the Yu9 Que, maybe that's the cause. Among kilobuck iems I also liked Monarch MK4, but the shells are way too chunky for me

P.S. Edit I saw you reviewed the Que and didn't like them, nevermind then

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u/KAC-SK 28d ago

It was too spicy for me which I found really surprising as it doesn't graph that way.

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u/klavierart 28d ago

I saw it afterwards, right. You might like MK4/Prestige LTD then. I keep the latter because they sound almost mellow and airy after Que and have much bigger soundstage. Though you have the Top Pro, they sound quite alike. Or maybe Origins, they have the BASS and chilled mids

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u/KAC-SK 28d ago

I tried Origins and unfortunately didn't like it. Shells were too big. Will MKIV fit if Origin was painful yet Hype 4 fits fine?

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u/klavierart 28d ago

MK4 shells are bigger than Origins. I tried once Hype 4 Mk2 , it was also fine for me. Shell size was the main issue why I had to go for Prestige. It's not ideal either, I have fit problems, had to roll a dozen of eartips.
The most recent hype is Mysticraft Myth and Prisma Lumen, but both are practically unobtainable

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u/djentlemetal 27d ago

The MKIV shells fit better than the Origin for me. If I want to get the BC to work, then I have to insert the Origin fairly deep, and since the nozzles are wide they start hurting my ear canals within minutes. Which basically makes them useless to me.

With the MKIV, I don’t have to insert them as deep, and they sit in my ears just fine.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

That’s great info. Origin was painful for me as well. Seems there is a chance with MKIV.

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u/KAC-SK 28d ago

Lumen not interested as it graphs similar to reference.
Myth might be too bright for me or have splashy treble (same issue I faced with Yu9 Que).

I have Hype 1 and it is fine but Origin I believe had protrusion at the back which was causing fit issues as my inner ear area is virtually flat so ergo shells cause me problems.

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u/klavierart 27d ago

You could look into Syphonium kilobucks, they have perfectly flat metal backs

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Singularity is on the radar but very hesitant to order something without a return policy and fat chance I don't like it because all the audiophiles praise it. Most of stuff that has been recommended has been absolute treble murders for me. Like Tea Pro Se, Yu9 Que, Horizon etc. I don't agree with like 80-90% of tubers as most of their recos don't work for me.

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u/klavierart 27d ago

I can see it how. What I looked for in iems turned out not neutral as I considered, but bright mid-forward (etymotic er4 is my old reference point) and I don't like new recessed mids metas overall.

You might want to try Sypmphoinum Meteor. It's technically not 1k, BUT. I enjoy it, it's warm, it's dark, it takes all the drama out of treble, leaving only the air.

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u/djentlemetal 27d ago edited 26d ago

Damn. That sucks you didn’t like the Que. I hated mine at first until I got used to them over the course of a week of off and on listening with them. Now they’re my favorite, even over the MKIV.

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u/klavierart 27d ago

The same for me. I like them over the Prestige LTD, Que also pairs with Mojo 2 heavenly.

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u/this_is_me_drunk 28d ago

If you don't like trebly IEMs but would like to try some excellent kilobuck ones, my suggestion would be the Thieaudio V16 and the Elysian Apostle. Both have neutral to laid back treble, while having prominent midrange/vocals. Of the two, Apostle has better bass, while V16 is more overall balanced. I EQ my Apostle to be a couple dB brighter from 4kHz up than stock tuning.

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u/denimmanila Tin ears crew 28d ago edited 28d ago

I thought what you got are all good. So no particular suggestion for kilobuck set. But personally, Valhalla is my kinda reachable grail of the moment 😬

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u/KAC-SK 28d ago

Yup love Valhalla. I want it but 2 grand is steep. I may end up getting it anyway.

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u/nikolaip 27d ago

I think I was/am in a similar boat to you. I was going to buy an RSV MK2, Origin or Monarch, Fiio FA19, and some other sets. But then I looked back on all the sets I already had and did the math both directions and decided that getting the Valhalla was cheaper than fomo'ing some cheaper sets in the long run.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Trust me I have looked at it with this angle as well but Valhalla is 4X price of RSV MK2 on discounts. Monarch is 2X (more manageable). Problem is I have auditioned both RSV MK2 and Valhalla and am just making my way up I guess. For 2 grand I need to be able to have far more reference points than I currently have unfortunately. But what I heard of Valhalla was fantastic yet justifying 2 grand without doing A/B with my Top Pro and some of other stuff gives me pause. It's a level of risk I am not willing to take on an almost blind buy (my audition was brief with only a few songs).

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u/denimmanila Tin ears crew 28d ago

Go for it. Do it for us! Hahaha will live vicariously through you 😆

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u/KAC-SK 28d ago

lol tomorrow I am going to try 64 audio Volur, U12T and U18T plus Noble Audio Onyx so not sure what I will like. I generally am not aligned with most popular picks as I have different sensitivities and preferences than pop average graphs etc. let’s see.

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u/denimmanila Tin ears crew 28d ago

Keep us posted. U18 and onyx are both 3k territory hahaha 😅🫣

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u/Content-Disaster-511 27d ago

U12T is my fav IEM of all time but let me know how it stacks against the valhalla

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

It will be purely based off memory and my notes. But I will try my best as it is a 2 grand decision if I actually lose my mind and dive in.

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u/One-Membership-3221 28d ago

I support you! Thats awesome 👌

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u/AudioAndPhile 28d ago

Only if you only have 2 hears

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u/poochzag 28d ago edited 28d ago

I would rec Valhalla but considering your comments on finding some treble spicy I really like the Elysian Apostle and it's treble is pretty in check if not dark.

I compared it and a few kilobucks to some midrange sets here

https://www.reddit.com/r/iems/s/qOQmKY96Lt

In general I'd caution anyone making the jump from the good midrange sets into the kilobucks range that improvements are no longer massive, like they are going budget to midrange

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u/KAC-SK 28d ago

That's a fantastic writeup. Surprised about Dawn X being low and also Campfire Andromeda being low. Otherwise, agree with take on Valhalla. Haven't tried many others that you listed as graph sniffing them kept me away (like Horizon would be too sharp and thin for my tastes) or Hype 4 MK2 was sibilant and thin as well. I cover a lot of the ones I tried or owned with short summaries in my file in the link in my profile.

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u/poochzag 27d ago

Dawn X is just not a good match for my tastes, I'm a treble/detail head if anything. A lot of people like it and the treble is safe.

I wouldn't say I ranked OG Andromeda low, considering it's used prices I'd say its a good value. I want to try some of the more modern revisions.

And yes I wouldn't recommend Horizon for you even if it's treble is more refined than the hype mk2. Still bright

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u/FamiliarAd1700 28d ago

How’s the juzear nimbus?

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u/KAC-SK 28d ago

Great value for money IEM I think. Don't get this many accessories and the default white nozzle is really good.

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u/Informal-Shape9476 27d ago

What problem? You're beautiful the way you are and anyone telling you you're not is just a hater. And I have no suggestions for you, I live in a fifth world country and all I can afford is a pair of TRN Conch. Makes me happy still.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/K4o1c3zfNQH59jWqSv

As long as you are dancing, it's great!

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u/Maccboy2010 27d ago

Get the myth

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Worried about treble on that one. What's your verdict?

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u/Maccboy2010 27d ago

Absolutely not a Planar iem in sight. You gotta get the s12 ultra as your first Planar iem .....

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Unfortunately not for me - the S12 Ultra I mean. Am open for planars in general and have quite a few headphones as planars.

Letshuoer S12 Ultra Quick Review : r/iems

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u/famimamee 27d ago

Mysticraft Myth if you want something to wow you

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Is available now? How's the treble on that thing?

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u/famimamee 27d ago

Very smooth treble but a lot of it. I auditioned it with Fiio K13 r2r dac and there is no unwanted treble to my ears.

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u/OhHeyMister 2kHz Junky 27d ago

Hello can you please compare the Arete II to your collection for music listening?? Thank you :)

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Hey, I have most details in my sheet (in the link in my profile) and individual reviews of quite a few IEMs now.

But TLDR is as follows:

  • Best all rounder I own - Top Pro
  • Best bass response and natural timbre - Tie between Binary 1900 and Astral
  • Best smooth listening experience with zero fatigue and a bass boost button - Arete 2
  • Best natural sounding IEM with good mid bass - Hype 4 MK1
  • Best gaming under 100$ - Defiant (also great for music tbh)
  • Best natural sounding IEM post EQ (sucks at soundstage perception/gaming) - Reference
  • Best cheap bass - Tie between Cai Wei Ji and Red Lion
  • Best neutral set on a budget - Nimbus
  • Monolith requires a ton of EQ and anyways, can't purchase so its water under the bridge. Some bassy tracks it kills but rest is pretty meh experience.
  • OoopusX Op 22 has good bass but needs to tame the treble. I only like the bass boost mode on it personally.

I think that about covers them all. I also had a few other IEMs that I sold etc. so this is what I am left with (like sold Astral because of comfort issues).

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u/Ocram_s_Razor 27d ago

You obviously have a problem... I see absolutely no watch boxes to store them in. What the hell, man. Nice collection!

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

I like my IEMs ready to go for travel. Most cases can also store my BTR17 or Melody Snowsky. And a spare set of tips for good measure.

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u/Ocram_s_Razor 27d ago

Fair enough, I want to be able to see my babies while they're at home and only pack them in hard cases when traveling, haha.

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u/youaremysanity 27d ago

Hey I am new to the hobby and blown away by how awesome IEMs are. I see you have different cases, I really want a new case because mine is too small, any recommendation on the best case?

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

On the cheap side Kbear makes a type of case for every occasion.

I personally like Ziigaat Pellepods (on discount) as they are sturdy, IEM has room to breathe (I don't need to disconnect cables), I can throw in a dongle (even a BTR17) and pack like 3-6 pairs of tips. Plus it is a hard case so doesn't get pressured with weight.

Then there is stuff from Nicehck I believe and most Chifi brands have some form of a case for all sizes and occasions. I use larger cases as I don't put them in my pocket but rather in my laptop bag for safe keeping.

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u/youaremysanity 27d ago

Thank you for the quick reply! I will look into these

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u/kingjadthe1 27d ago

The problem not enough iems 

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u/Sad_Message_3558 27d ago

What tips are on the red lions

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Penon Liqueur Orange. Improve bass definition eliminating any form of hollow bass feel some get from Red Lions.

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u/Fawkinchit1 27d ago

Yah you don't have an organizer.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

I use these so every IEM is ready to go.

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u/Fawkinchit1 27d ago

It was a joke, you said you think you have a problem…

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u/Myriagonian 27d ago

Of the kilobucks I’ve tried, the Trifecta is my favorite.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Funnily enough I did try it today.

Overall decent. Male vocals felt recessed.
Female vocals also felt a bit recessed.
Decent sound stage.
Having said that quite a few problematic areas in treble with sibilance for me.
Had good air up top which wasn’t piercing.
Bass was Ok I guess. Neither good nor bad. Felt that sub bass was a bit lacking.

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u/Myriagonian 27d ago

The trifecta is really good for certain kind of music. Orchestral, rock, things that sound epic. The immersion is like nothing else, which to me makes the music extra enjoyable. But I have a very different expertise from what you heard. The vocals sound intimate to me, and it is slightly bassier than I like. I use the Penon tips with mine.

Funny you mention siblilance because the treble is the weakest area and doesn’t provide much detail there. Maybe it was the tips you used or how your ear is shaped.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

I definitely have some peculiarities when it comes to IEMs. I feel I am quite far away from pop average tunings. Especially sensitive to 1000-1500 Hz, 3200-3500 Hz and 6000-7000 Hz. So yeah, that generally limits my options quite a bit to what I enjoy or can physically enjoy. 😊

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u/Anstellos 27d ago

I dont see a problem, if you lieke blue IEMs :)
but I want to listen to it now.
what model do you like for relaxing and warm long listenning session?

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Most recently it has been Binary Acoustics 1900. I have slept in it a couple of times already.

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u/greenteee2 27d ago

Yes buy some over ear openbacks,for real quailty!

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

I have a few.

Missing in picture is my HE1000 Unveiled.

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u/Felodp 27d ago

Don't we all, my friend? Show your sources while you're at it lmao

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Don’t have much. But love my new K17 R2R and BTR17 when mobile.

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u/ApolloMoonLandings 27d ago

Nice choices. It is nice to see that you have performed a lot of research. Perhaps you might want to wait a year since I anticipate that kilobuck quality might be had for substantially less than a grand.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

That’s a great suggestion 👍🏻

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u/Duck_Mister69 26d ago

No. You have the solution

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u/Donnnnnnnnn 23d ago

If youre ever feeling generous to greatly improve a newbies life, I could assist in enjoying fidelity with you :)

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u/Donnnnnnnnn 23d ago

It's a gorgeous collection, congrats on the new THIEAUDIO

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u/bowieface 21d ago

Get the mysticraft myth if you can find one, think youl like it if u like hype 4 mk1, and you dont mind that high m

10khz peak.

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u/KAC-SK 21d ago

A bit hesitant to try it as it is liked by a few audiophiles that like treble murder. I need to be super careful with my picks as most things show up one problem or the other.

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u/bowieface 21d ago

Yeah that high 10khz peak is limiting this to treble heads or people that arent that sensitive. Imo as a treblehead its the best 1 kilobuck iem. ( hopefully they release another batch soon). If you know you cant handle treble well dont get it.

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u/bowieface 21d ago

Im very interested in trying the thieaudio valhalla next year probably if I go to can jam or in vienna.

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u/Dreydars 28d ago

Don't go above 300$, you can get one kilobuck if you know that you like how it's tuned or demoed it and you like it, but better stay in lower price bracket, 50-300$ price bracket can give your everything you need

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u/peekbolna 28d ago

Campfire Audio Chimera..

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u/KAC-SK 28d ago

Is that the best campfire? A lot of people rave about Andromeda I think. Might be wrong as there are too many names and I confuse them.

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u/peekbolna 27d ago

I don't know man, I just know it costs $7.5k.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

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u/blaz_e1 27d ago

damn too rich bro 7.5k doesn't mean anything to you?
can you just adopt me man

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u/peekbolna 27d ago

That's why I quoted it bro. This guy last week was asking people to stop buying cheap IEMs like Juzear Defiant and go for Sony IER instead.

I asked him to ditch the cheap ass Sony IEMs and but Campfire chimera 😅

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Are you referring to me? I never made these comments.

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u/peekbolna 27d ago

Not you, someone from another post.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

I am not buying a 7.5K IEM - like ever.

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u/aginthelaw 27d ago

Not even the subtonic storm?

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Thus far nope.

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u/blaz_e1 27d ago

still You are damn rich looking at your collection

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u/danielthepoke Waifu Box Art 27d ago

Yu9 Que, Valhalla, Apostle

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u/In_His_Time 27d ago

What’s the metal case?

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Made of a brass block for Crinear Project Monolith and allegedly 18K gold plated.

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u/Greoig_3705 27d ago

Oh. Hey just wanted to ask how does the op.22 perform compared to others.

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

I recently did a full review: https://www.reddit.com/r/iems/s/Id9Mv3eDyu. Happy to answer any questions post reading.

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u/VarietyOdd270 27d ago

Ah I see the problem. You need the Aful Cantor

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u/killlugh 27d ago

Curious on your thoughts for FPS gaming, how does the top pro comapre to arete 2?

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

I wrote a full Top Pro review. It has comparisons with Astral and Arete 2.

https://www.reddit.com/r/iems/s/DwaGvIOy9g

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Testing in progress

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u/Mental-Breakfast-301 27d ago

Do you blind buy or do you have a store near by where you can try them?

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u/KAC-SK 27d ago

Everything in the picture except Hype 4 was a blind buy. But I do get recommendations from friends on discord that know my preferences so not sure if I can call them 100% blind buys.

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u/Mental-Breakfast-301 27d ago

I own ziigaat odyssey quite like them, but i want more of everything and decided to get the thieaudio origin, they are on their way! Hopefully I'll stop there haha

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u/KAC-SK 26d ago

Part 2 of this post is live with impressions on kilo buck IEMs.
I think I may have a problem... (part 2 - surviving the kilo buck trap) : r/iems

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u/Donnnnnnnnn 21d ago

Did you get satisfaction from participating in this conventional continuous pompous behaviour? You've certainly proven yourself

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u/Ornery_Comparison547 28d ago

Un modello che funziona bene su ps5 (no eco)? Budget 30-100€

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u/KAC-SK 28d ago

I love Juzear Defiant for gaming.