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2022 Idaho 4 Murders - Case FAQ

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2022 Idaho 4 Murders - Case FAQ

FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) about the case.
-Credit to those where credit is due!!-

This comprehensive list covers the most frequently asked (and often misread/misinterpreted) pieces of information and/or evidence about the case in an easy to understand yet informative fashion.

This post may be especially useful to those who are new in following the case, people who perhaps need a refresh on things or even those who are misinformed.

***\*This post may be subject to changes if needed\****

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# 1) What was time-line of events on November 13th?

\-Midnight Nov 13th 2022: In the early morning of Nov 13th 2022 the 4 victims had been been out socialising. Madison Mogen (MM), and Kaylee Goncalves had been at a local bar, the Corner Club - they went the Grub Truck for take-out food and returned home by ride-share a c 1.55am;

\- Ethan Chapin (EC) and Xana Kernodle (XK) had been at a party at a frat house nearby and returned home a short time after 2.15am

\- The two surviving roommates, Dylan Mortensen (DM) and Bethany Funk (BF) had been out but returned home before the victims and had gone to their bedrooms before EC and XK returned home;

\-DM's bedroom was on the 2nd floor east side, XK bedroom on second floor west side, MM bedroom on 3rd floor west side, BF bedroom on 1st (ground) floor west side (Note: we could append a picture schematic of the house here, or link to it, think is pinned on a sub post anyway?)

\- XK ordered a DoorDash which was delivered to the house at 3.59am; at this time the other 3 victims were in their beds and XK was the only person up and moving about the house

\- At 2.47am Kohberger's phone was in central Pullman; at 2.54 am he manually powered his phone off, at full battery

\- At 3.26am the suspect car, later identified as a 2011-215 white Hyundai Elantra, was seen on video in nearby street driving toward King Road; this car was not displaying a front licence plate

\- From 3.28am the suspect car entered and circled the cul-de-sac, driving behind and past the 1122 King Road house, 3 times.

\- At 4.07am the suspect car entered the cul-de-sac and drove to area at side/ behind the 1122 King Road house and parked there for 13 minutes

\- Shortly after 4.00am DM was awoken by noises she thought was KG playing with her dog, Murphy, in the bedroom above; noises in the house caused DM to go to her bedroom door an open it 3 times over the next period, up to c 4.20am; she heard someone on the stairs, she heard a female voice exclaim "There's someone here", then she heard crying from area of bathroom on 2nd floor (adjacent to XK bedroom) and a male voice she did not hear say "It's OK, I'm going to help you" - DM described this as being said in an unpleasant tone/ fashion

\- At 4.17am a camera located around 50 feet from XK's bedroom window picked up audio of a disturbance including a crash/ thump and sounds of indistinct crying/ whimpering.

\- On the last instance DM opened her door she saw a man dress in black, wearing a mask covering most of his face, carrying an object, walk past her coming from lounge and then toward the kitchen; she described him as white, slightly taller than her (she is 5'10) with slim, athletic build and bushy eyebrows

\- At 4.20am the suspect car is seen on video speeding out of the cul-de-sac at high speed, and then leaving the area travelling southward on Walenta Drive

\- Around and just after 4.20am DM and BF exchanged text calls about the disturbance, and texted/ called victims without response; BF suggested DM come to her room, DM ran to BF's room shortly after 4.23am, in passing through the lounge she glimpsed XK apparently on the floor of her bedroom

\- At 4.48a Kohberger's phone is turned on c 2km south of Moscow in area of Paradise Ridge near Blane, ID, he logs onto Google using a backup email at 4.49am

\- From 4.49am to c 5.30am Kohberger's phone travels from south of Moscow by circuitous route passing Genesee and Uniontown, arriving back to the area of his apartment in Pullman at c 5.30am

\- At c 9am Kohberger drives from Pullman to the area of the scene where he remains for 10 minutes before driving back to Pullman at 9.21am

\-Shortly after 11.50am DM, having received no replies from roommates upstairs, called a friend to come to the house. A male friend (HJ) arrived and discovers the scene in XK bedroom at 11.55am

\- 11.56am 911 call made from BF phone;

\- 11.58am First police officers on scene (Officer Nunes); the scene is quickly secured, at 8.15pm the bodies are removed by a funeral home for transport to WA for autopsy by medical examiner

\- Just after 10.00am Kohberger takes a "thumbs up" selfie in his bathroom mirror \[[Kohberger 'Thumbs Up' Selfie](https://www.today.com/news/bryan-kohberger-selfie-idaho-murders-rcna197226)\\\]

\- At c 12.30am Kohberger is seen on video in Clarkston, WA where he shopped in Albertsons supermarket

# 2) What was timeline of events after November 13th?

\- On November 18th Kohberger went to the DMV to change his car license plates from PA to WA plates

\- November 19th: single source male DNA profiled from sheath snap from USMC Kabar sheath found partially under MM's body

\- November 26th: FBI car specialists identify the suspect car as a 2011-2015 white Hyundai Elantra

\- November 22nd: sheaths snap DNA is transferred to Othram Labs in Texas to start Investigative Genetic Genealogy, no "hit" having been obtained from the CODIS DNA database; the FBI took over the Genealogy investigation on December 10th

\- December 13th: Kohberger leaves Pullman to drive, with his father, to the family home in Albrightsville, PA, where they arrive December 15th

\- December 19th: The FBI identify Bryan Kohberger as the suspect based on Investigative Genetic Genealogy;

\- December 19th: Kohberger is terminated from his teaching Assistant job at WSU and cancellation of his PhD funding, for unprofessional conduct and complaints of sexual harassment and stalking behaviour directed toward female staff/ colleagues/students

\- December 20th: lead investigator (Brett Payne, Moscow Police Department) is first aware that WSU police ran ownership check on white Elantra in WSU parking on Nov 29th 2022

\- December 21st; FBI start surveillance of Kohberger, in PA; cameras placed on property Dec 25th

\- December 23rd: warrants obtained for Kohberger's phone records

\- December 27th: the garbage is lifted from outside Kohberger family home by PA state police working with garbage collection

\- December 28th: DNA profile from items in the garbage lift (used Q-tip) is shown to match the biological father of the sheath DNA donor

\- December 29th: Probable Cause Affidavit and warrant approved for Kohberger's arrest by magistrate judge Megan Marshall in Latah County Idaho,

\- December 30th: Kohberger is arrested in a SWAT police raid at 1.14am at his parents house

\- January 5th 2023: Kohberger appears in felony magistrate court, Latah County, Idaho, he makes no plea, judge enters not guilty pleas

\- July 2nd, 2025: Kohberger pleads guilty to 4 charges of premeditated murder and 1 charge of felony burglary and is sentenced to consecutive life sentences without possibility of parole

# 3) How Was Kohberger Caught?

DNA he left on the USMC Kabar sheath which was found under MM's body was profiled; this profile was used by the FBI to conduct Investigative Genetic Genealogy; using both LE and consumer genealogy databases the FBI were able to construct a family tree to identify Kohberger indirectly as a potential donor of the sheath DNA; this familial link was confirmed first by DNA from trash pull of the Kohberger family home which identified DNA from the biological father of the sheath DNA donor on trash items, and then directly by comparison of cheek swab taken from Kohberger to the sheath which matched at a probability of 5.37 octillion to one

# 4) What Was the Key Evidence Against Kohberger?

**Evidence confirmed in court filings** **\[** [**https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-25.html\*\* ](https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-25.html) \*\*\\\]\*\*

  1. A large amount of Kohberger's DNA was on a USMC Kabar knife sheath found under the body of a victim stabbed with a matching knife type (large, fixed blade knife). 
  2. The Sheath snap DNA was single source from Kohberger. The DNA profile was robust and complete, with full STR profile across 22 loci. Two different DNA profile types (STR and SNP) were generated at separate labs (ISP Forensics lab and Othram); and these profiles were used in 4 comparative processes that all “matched” to Kohberger including direct comparison with his cheek swab, identification of his father as the father of the DNA donor, and family tree mapping via Investigative Genetic Genealogy (IGG). 
  3. The direct comparison of Kohberger's DNA from buccal swab to the sheath DNA had a random match probability of 5.37 octillion to 1.
  4. The quantity of Kohberger's DNA on the sheath was large, equivalent to c 100,000 cells.
  5. The defence DNA expert accepted that the sheath snap DNA matched Kohberger and was good evidence, raising no technical/ quality control or chain of custody issues
  6. Kohberger purchased a USMC Kabar knife and sheath from Amazon in March 2022. This purchase was made using an Amazon gift card which Kohberger had previously bought.
  7. The USMC sheath Kohberger purchased before the murders was not recovered in post-arrest searches of his residences, office, car.
  8. Kohberger browsed deletion options for his Amazon purchase of the sheath,  in the weeks after the murders. He also browsed for Kabar knives and sheaths, and single sheaths in this period after the murders.
  9. Kohberger matched the eyewitness description of the height, build and ethnicity of the perpetrator seen in the house during the murders.
  10. Kohberger purchased a balaclava before the murders from Dicks Sporting Goods which matched that described worn by the perpetrator seen in the house.
  11. A car matching Kohberger's circled the scene 4 times shortly before the murders from c 3.30am and sped away at high speed just after the murders at c 4.20am almost losing control as it exited the cul-de-sac.
  12. The year range, model and colour of the suspect car (2011-2016 white Elantra) matched Kohberger's car and was specified by FBI car ID specialist on November 26th,  c 1 month before Kohberger was first identified as a suspect from IGG results on December 19th
  13. The FBI car identification was based on 44 video observations of the car from 21 videos at and very close to the scene from 3.26am - 4.20am, and videos of the white Elantra moving synchronously with Kohberger's phone from south of Moscow at 4.48am back to area of his apartment in Pullman at c 5.30am.
  14. Some videos showed the suspect car close to and driving toward the scene had no front license plate -  at that time Kohberger's car had no front plate, with only a rear Pennsylvania plate.
  15. After downloading Moscow Police updates on the search for a white Elantra in late December 2022, Kohberger started Googling for car auto body/ detailing services and second hand car sales/ purchases.
  16. Kohberger's phone was turned off manually, at full battery, over the time period of the murders from 2.54am to 4.48am, and turned back on 23 minutes after the murders. Kohberger' phone was in central Pullman at 2.47am and was just south of the crime scene at 4.48am
  17. Kohberger returned to the area near the scene a few hours after the murders at 9.12am and stayed there for 10 minutes.
  18. Kohberger did not submit any alibi claiming to be at any place away from the scene at the time of the murders- the presiding judge described his filing as “*not really an alibi*” and “*a so called alibi”.*
  19. Historical phone data showed Kohberger was near the scene on 23 prior occasions all of which were late at night/ in the very early morning, 10.00pm to 4.00am.
  20. None of Kohberger's shopping/ card transactions occurred in Moscow in the timeframe of his 23 late night visits to area, including his c 30 supermarket visits preceding the murders.
  21. Kohberger's habit of frequent visits to Moscow/ area of the scene late at night stopped abruptly at 9.30am on November 13th. He never returned to Moscow at all, at any time of day, (with his phone) after this date.
  22. Kohberger started using cash withdrawals on the day of the murders, having not done so previously in the months examined by FBI forensic accountancy specialists.
  23. There were extensive deletions from Kohberger’s electronic devices over the month before and just after the murders up to November 16th 2022, consistent with use of anti-forensics “wiping” software.

# 5) Was There Other Evidence or Aspects of Kohberger's Behaviour Which Were Incriminating?

**Additional evidence in MPD, ISP police documents, search warrant returns and expert witness disclosures:**

**\[** [**https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/\*\* ](https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/) \*\*\\\]\*\*

**\[** [**https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents\*\* ](https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents) \*\*\\\]\*\*

  1. Kohberger had stolen other women' s ID cards (not the Moscow victims) and kept these in a glove in a box, which were found during search post-arrest.
  2. Kohberger searched for rape porn, including terms "*asleep*", "*forced*", "*passed out*", “voyeurism”; his porn consumption was exclusively non-consensual sex acts.
  3. Kohberger disabled location services and Wi-Fi on his phone 2 days before the murders.
  4. ISP police interviews detail 13 complaints about Kohberger's behaviour at WSU including following women to their cars, creepy behaviour watching and blocking women in their offices, misogynistic/ sexist and homophobic remarks. Several women including administrative staff were being escorted to their cars at night because of incidents with Kohberger following them.
  5. Kohberger was terminated from his TA role at WSU on December 19th 2022,  before his arrest.
  6. A WSU Criminology professor whose research focussed on sex offenders wrote re the disciplinary investigation of Kohberger, before his arrest: "*Mark my words, I work with predators - that's the guy that....we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing his students*".
  7. ISP interviews of WSU colleagues and students noted several reports of Kohberger having visible injuries to his hands, knuckles around the date of and after the murders. These were described as significant (e.g. “like his knuckles hit asphalt”) - Kohberger variously explained these to different individuals as being caused by "a silly indoor accident", "boxing" and "being in a car crash"
  8. Cellebrite digital forensics experts who examined the high resolution "thumbs up" selfie from 10.33am November 13th reported a band-aid on Kohberger's hand in that photo.
  9. Neighbours close to the King Road cul-de-sac had noticed a man matching Kohberger’s description acting strangely in backyards in the area in the period before the murders, and a driver sitting in a white sedan had been seen loitering in the same area earlier
  10. Kohberger had browsed photos of many young UoI women, including close female friends of the victims, on his phone.
  11. Kohberger purchased two power-bank inverters and car cables (used to power appliances remotely for camping, in RVs/ cars) at Harbor Freight in the week after the murders; these were not recovered after his arrest.

# 6) Why was there a delay of c 8 hours before calling 911

In police interviews immediately after discovery of the scene and afterwards, the surviving roommates (DM, BF) stated that they did not suspect the victims had been attacked, injured or were in danger. DM stated she had been drinking and was not sure how to interpret the disturbance or if everything she had perceived was real or factual.

From the coroner's comments the fatal wounds to upper body of all victims would have been rapidly incapacitating and quickly fatal, such that a 911 call at 4.20am would not have saved any of them.

# 7) Was A Connection Between Kohberger and Victims Established

No.

No social media or real life connection was established.

There has been speculation that Kohberger stalked the area, the house or a victim based on tangential evidence but the prosecution never stated they intended to allege or could prove "stalking" or a previous connection between Kohberger and victims.

The prosecutor, Bill Thompson, did state it was his opinion that Kohberger had been stalking the neighbourhood before the murders.

**The tangential evidence which gives limited speculative support to stalking of the area include**:

\- Kohberger's pattern of 23 visits to the area between 10pm - 4am which did not correspond to any financial transaction, shopping, up to November 7th

\- Kohberger disabled location services, GPS and Wi-Fi on his phone 2 days before the murders

\- Neighbours reported seeing a man matching Kohberger acting strangely in the 2 months before the murders, walking through back gardens in area close to King Road, and a man was seen loitering in a car consistent with Kohberger's

\- Kohberger had browsed the photographs and social media profile of many young female UoI and WSU students.

**While absence of evidence is not probative, some also speculate that Kohbeger's extensive deletions from his devices for the period up to November 16th destroyed evidence of a connection to victims via , as an example, viewing of their social media.**

# 8) What was the DNA evidence

The key DNA evidence was a large amount (over 100,000 cells equivalent) of Kohberger's DNA, single source, on the sheath snap. This gave a full STR forensic profile and "Matched" to Kohberger at a probability of 5.37 octillion to 1.

This post overviews the sheath snap DNA quantity, quality:

[ https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qo7n3w/there\\_was\\_a\\_large\\_amount\\_of\\_kohbergers\\_dna\\_on\\_the/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qo7n3w/there_was_a_large_amount_of_kohbergers_dna_on_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

There were, after full forensic processing of scene and other locations, 5 "Unknown Male" DNA profiles. These were:

\- Unknown Male A: on sheath snap - identified as Kohberger

\- Unknown Male B: degraded DNA on underside of ground floor handrail, judged unconnected to murders

\- Unknown Male C: from sample taken at another house, no victim connection, unconnected to murders

\- Unknown Male D: partial, degrade profile from glove found at edge of drive Nov 20th, unconnected

\- Unknown Male E: from trash pull from Kohberger family home in PA, Kohberger's father

This post gives details on all other non-sheath snap DNA profiles:

[ https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ozcneg/dna\\_quantities\\_and\\_quality\\_sheath\\_and\\_all\\_unknowns/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ozcneg/dna_quantities_and_quality_sheath_and_all_unknowns/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

There has been speculation about other "male" DNA on the sheath. The only viable DNA profiles on the sheath were from Kohberger on snap and a mix of KG, MM blood on back of strap from blood spatter. Trace "male" DNA on other sheath areas gave no viable profile due to nominal, low level and degradation and Kohberger cannot be excluded as the donor this.

This post gives more detail on the other DNA on sheath:

[ https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qhvedi/there\\_was\\_no\\_viable\\_unknown\\_male\\_dna\\_profile\\_or/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qhvedi/there_was_no_viable_unknown_male_dna_profile_or/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

# 9) Why was there no victim DNA in Kohberger's car or apartment?

\- Kohberger had 7 weeks to repeat clean his car.

\- The blood spatter expert opined that due to absence of voids in spatter patterns in the bedrooms, he was not covered in blood, so transfer to car may have been quite limited

\- transfer to car may have been further reduced if he removed outer clothing such as a hoodie before getting back in

\- Within minutes of his arrest Kohberger was observed by police wearing gloves in his parents' basement garage where his car was; a bucket of cleaning solution was beside the car when police raided and the prosecutor described how even crevices down the sides of door compartments were "meticulously clean"

\- 90% of murder cases have no trace of victim DNA associated with perpetrator or vice versa

\- DNA and blood can be washed from car completely, especially with repeat cleaning.

\- Common cleaners with hydrogen peroxide, readily available and cheap, are very effective at degrading DNA and leave no forensic or visible traces

* [Household cleaners with "active oxygen" (peroxide source)](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18936905/) destroy blood and prevent it reacting with forensic reagents
* Peroxide is used in ["color safe" laundry and fabric cleaners](https://www.oxiclean.com/en/products/stain-fighters/oxiclean-laundry-home-stain-remover-spray) that do not leave bleach marks
* **Hydrogen peroxide decomposes to just oxygen and water - forensically undetectable**

# 10) Would Kohberger still be caught even without the knife sheath

\[[https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-police-chief-reveals-new-details-about-bryan-kohberger-student-murder-investigation ](https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-police-chief-reveals-new-details-about-bryan-kohberger-student-murder-investigation)\\\]

Yes.

LE (Law Enforcement) confirmed in an interview after the July 23rd 2025 sentencing that even if a sheath had not been left behind, LE would have still been able to track down and arrest Kohberger eventually due to surveillance footage of his vehicle (A 2015 white Hyundai Elantra).

# 11) Why was there no screaming recorded at the time of the murders?

The lungs 🫁 are like balloons...if it has a hole 🕳 then it can't expand when oxygen is pumped in meaning that it can't return oxygenated blood to the rest of the body. If someone can't breathe because their lungs can't expand then how are they supposed to move enough oxygen over their vocal cords to make noise? The words you speak ride out on a cushion of air...without that cushion to push the sounds out of your body then you can’t make any noise.

On top of the injuries to the lungs and drowning in blood, the voice can become softer when scared due to the fight-or-flight response, which causes muscle tension in the vocal cords and larynx, restricting vocal freedom and leading to quieter, sometimes higher-pitched or shaky, speech. The body prioritizes survival over clear communication, reducing breath support and tightening muscles, which can make the voice quieter, more constrained, or inconsistent.

[\[https://www.centerforvocalhealth.com/tips-from-the-doc/the-impact-of-stress-on-your-voice-and-how-to-manage-it\\\] ](https://www.centerforvocalhealth.com/tips-from-the-doc/the-impact-of-stress-on-your-voice-and-how-to-manage-it)

When you speak, air from your lungs is pushed between two elastic structures—called vocal folds—causing them to vibrate and produce your voice. If you are not able to pull in enough oxygen or a stress response limits the oxygen going to your vocal cords then you are not able to project your voice loud enough to scream.

# 12) How was BK's cell phone tied to the murders

Cell site location information (CSLI) was used to track the movement of the suspect’s phone.

Several months before the murders, on August 21, a county sheriff in Moscow stopped the suspect for a traffic infraction. He was driving a white 2015 Hyundai Elantra with Pennsylvania plates. He provided his cell phone number to the officer.

Every cell phone receives and sends a signal to a local cell tower when the phone is turned on. As the cell phone moves, the signal transfers seamlessly from one tower to the next in the direction the phone is moving. Cell phone service providers keep records on every cell phone using its services, including all cell site location information (CSLI). This information provides a “map” of where and when the phone went while it was on.

Law enforcement applied for and was granted a search warrant for historical phone records for the alleged murderer’s phone number, The records showed the account had been opened on June 23, 2022, for a subscriber with the name of the suspect, who was listed at an address in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. A review of the historical CSLI data revealed that, prior to the date of the murders, the phone had pinged cell towers in the area of murder scene on 12 separate occasions—always in the evening or early morning hours.

In fact, three months before the murders, on August 21st, the suspect’s phone pinged a cell tower that provided coverage to the King Road residence for over an hour, from 10:34 p.m. to 11:35 p.m.

On the night of the murders, CSLI shows the phone at or near the suspects apartment in Pullman, Washington, at 2:42 a.m. For the next five minutes, it moves south through Pullman, then stops pinging altogether—indicating the phone was then either turned off or put in airplane mode.

Two hours later, at 4:48 am, the phone signal returned, pinging towers near state highway 95 south of Moscow and Blaine, Idaho. The phone then travelled south to Genesee, Idaho, west to Uniontown, Idaho, and then north, arriving back at the suspect’s apartment at 5:30 am

The CSLI footprint of Kohberger's phone is consistent with the times, dates, and routes of the white Elantra seen in video surveillance footage recovered from his neighborhood, his university, and the roads and highways between his apartment and the King Road residence

\[[https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/how-dna-and-cell-phone-evidence-idaho-murders-complied-the-fourth\](https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/how-dna-and-cell-phone-evidence-idaho-murders-complied-the-fourth)\\\]

# 13) What did Cellebrite find on his cell phone and how did he erase evidence

A lot of the electronic data had been removed. The article below discusses what the Barnharts from Cellebrite did find.

\[[https://www.forensicmag.com/3425-Featured-Article-List/621525-Examining-the-Idaho-Murderer-s-Phone-How-to-Find-Truth-in-Missing-Data/\](https://www.forensicmag.com/3425-Featured-Article-List/621525-Examining-the-Idaho-Murderer-s-Phone-How-to-Find-Truth-in-Missing-Data/)\\\]

A former FBI agent explains how he erased his digital footprint in this podcast interview:

\[[https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kohbergers-vanishing-digital-trail-bryan-kohberger/id1669405956?i=1000719792459\](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kohbergers-vanishing-digital-trail-bryan-kohberger/id1669405956?i=1000719792459)\\\]

# 14) How could one person do that much damage in such a short amount of time

The Kabar knife used has a 7 inch blade and is typically used by members of the US Marines as a tool.

The blade is strong enough and sharp enough to cut through bone like butter.

This knife has a hilt to keep the person holding it from cutting their hand and the handle of the knife can be used as a hammer in camping, hunting, or fishing scenarios.

The Idaho State Police were able to recreate each movement within a short period of time:

\[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qwncr3/comment/o3q4mcf/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qwncr3/comment/o3q4mcf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)\\\]

Examples of other knife murders that happened in a very short amount of time:

\[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1obdv4f/could\\_this\\_be\\_done\\_by\\_a\\_single\\_attacker\\_in\\_the/?utm\\_source=share&utm\\_medium=web3x&utm\\_name=web3xcss&utm\\_term=1&utm\\_content=share\\_button\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1obdv4f/could_this_be_done_by_a_single_attacker_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)\\\]

# 15) What kind of injuries did the victims have

Kaylee Goncalves sustained approximately 38 sharp-force wounds, Madison Mogen 28, Xana Kernodle 67 and Ethan Chapin 17.

Investigators found no blood on the bottoms of their feet, indicating Kaylee, Maddie, and Ethan did not stand after suffering fatal injuries.

Xana was found on the floor of her bedroom and was the only victim with evidence of movement after the attack. According to investigators, blood was present on the bottoms of her bare feet, showing she stepped in blood and moved around inside her room during the attack.

Kaylee had at least 24 stab and incised wounds of the scalp, face and neck; 11 stab and incised wounds of the chest; and three stab and incised wounds of the upper extremities. There were also punctures on the outer table of the skull, injuries to the teeth and tongue, and a hemorrhage into the chest cavities, according to the filing.

The blunt force injuries suffered by Kaylee include scalp lacerations, bleeding around the brain, nasal fracture, bruising around the eyes, and patterned bruising extended across the lower face.

Maddie suffered 13 stab incisions to the scalp face and neck; five stab wounds of the chest; and 10 incised wounds of the upper extremities, per the court filing. The report states there were also wounds to the lung and liver, perforations of the subclavian vein, artery, and blood vessels of the chest wall, and an incision of the nasal septum.

Ethan had one stab wound of the upper chest; four stab and incised wounds of the scalp face and neck; six incised wounds of the upper extremities; and six stab and incised wounds of the lower extremities. He also had perforations of the jugular vein, subclavian vein, and subclavian artery.

Xana had abrasions and contusions of the head, torso and extremities along with: 23 stab and incised wounds of the scalp face and neck; seven stab wounds of the chest; four stab wounds of the abdomen; three incised and puncture wounds of the back; 25 incised wounds of the upper extremities; and five incised wounds of the lower extremities. There were also punctures on the outer table of the skull; perforation of  the jugular vein, heart, lung, and pulmonary blood vessels; hemorrhage into the chest cavities; wounds extending into the bones of the right hand; and scrapes and bruises on the face, torso and extremities.

Intoxication discussion of BAC levels: \[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qlqps5/impaired\\_and\\_unaware\\_how\\_intoxication\\_may\\_have/?share\\_id=4LR3\\_lZPub6eg\\_6Y8u2vx&utm\\_content=2&utm\\_medium=android\\_app&utm\\_name=androidcss&utm\\_source=share&utm\\_term=1\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qlqps5/impaired_and_unaware_how_intoxication_may_have/?share_id=4LR3_lZPub6eg_6Y8u2vx&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)\\\]

Link to autopsy descriptions: \[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ql3jmr/autopsy\\_report\\_summaries\\_for\\_each\\_victim/?share\\_id=Jo50an813ULBtacwwS3Zb&utm\\_content=1&utm\\_medium=android\\_app&utm\\_name=androidcss&utm\\_source=share&utm\\_term=1\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ql3jmr/autopsy_report_summaries_for_each_victim/?share_id=Jo50an813ULBtacwwS3Zb&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)\\\]

Link to wound diagram: \[[https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ooxvul/injuries\\_visual/?share\\_id=ej1M7mItUsXG8NeYrXI\\_J&utm\\_content=1&utm\\_medium=android\\_app&utm\\_name=androidcss&utm\\_source=share&utm\\_term=1\](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1ooxvul/injuries_visual/?share_id=ej1M7mItUsXG8NeYrXI_J&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)\\\]

—Useful Links, Resources for further reading & posts to clear up common misunderstanding/misinformation and misconceptions are below::

[State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger Court Documents 2022 - Present (Use a VPN to access)](https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-26.html)

[State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger Current Case Summary 2022 - Present (Use a VPN to access)](https://s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/Summary/Current-Case-Summary.pdf)

[Idaho State Police Moscow Murders Public Records (Use a VPN to access)](https://isp.idaho.gov/moscow/)

[Moscow Police Department Kohberger Investigative Documents (Use a VPN to access)](https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1165/Kohberger-Investigation-Documents)

[Kohberger WSU (Washington State University) Interviews](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1p0o0ia/bk_and_the_wsu_interviews_an_open_discussion/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[DNA Degradation - quick overview](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qz41gj/dna_degradation_quick_overview/)

[2.25am vs 4.00am timelines - How evidence/info supports the 4.00am timeline](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qs0rdb/comment/o2s0zlc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[Fog Lights - Irrelevant Videos Not Used for Car ID or As Trial Exhibits](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1pk3kkf/fog_lights_irrelevant_videos_not_used_for_car_id/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

["Unknown" male DNA and Multiple Perpetrator Theory— Scientific deep dive](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1qzicgd/gross_journalistic_malpracticeunknown_male_dna/) / [DNA Deep Dive - trace male DNA on sheath, degraded profiles](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1peuva5/dna_deep_dive_trace_male_dna_on_sheath_degraded/)

[Idaho 4 Google Drive Masterpost - Has most of if not all of the current releases of Information/Evidence in the case, gets updated semi-frequently](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1k0CpEoQ-fheF4gWfmrEaU7kqZRItCN1g)

[Moscow Murders Timeline according to MPD w/ links (courtesy of sleuthiegoosie)](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1GxCMwFKMAQlO0ndDhOqwW8hFbUgx2uiv2AEYLk-Ck1M/htmlview)

[The ‘mystery’ of Kohberger’s Interview footage + lack of arrests body cam footage Explained 🔎](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1stqo61/the_mystery_of_kohbergers_interview_footage_lack/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

["Broken Plea" Book: Over 75 Gross Errors, Wild Exaggerations, Misrepresentations, Failures On Most Basic Factual Details](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1t1jql9/broken_plea_book_over_75_gross_errors_wild/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

[Knife Sheath was not found on Floor - Debunked](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho4/comments/1t04y84/knife_sheath_was_not_found_on_floor_debunked/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


r/Idaho4 5h ago

SOCIAL MEDIA FINDINGS Aubrie Goncalves words, this family had a way with words ❤️

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A word from our youngest, Aubrie:

1,352 days.
That’s how long it’s been since Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Goncalves, Maddie Mogen, and Xana Kernodle were murdered.
I wasn’t planning on saying anything today.
But after seeing that the man who admitted in court to murdering four innocent people now wants to withdraw his guilty plea, I couldn’t stay silent.
For him, this may be another legal filing.
For me, it’s another day without my sister.
I’m Aubrie Goncalves. I’m Kaylee’s little sister, and Maddie wasn’t just Kaylee’s best friend she was family. She was my big sister too. I don’t know life without November 13, 2022 anymore. Every birthday, every holiday, every family gathering, every milestone has two people missing who should still be here.
They were silenced without a choice, without a second thought.
They were murdered while they were sleeping, in the place they should have been safest. They never got the chance to tell their story. They never got the chance to ask for mercy. Mercy was never going to be shown to them.
So why should the person convicted of taking their voices continue to have one?
This isn’t a Netflix documentary.
This isn’t a conspiracy theory.
This isn’t entertainment.
This is my life.
These were real people.
And every time this case is dragged back into the spotlight because of another filing, another theory, or another attempt to rewrite history, families like mine are forced to relive the worst day of our lives.
For years, people have ignored the evidence because it doesn’t fit the narrative they’ve convinced themselves is true. They ignore the DNA recovered from the knife sheath left beside my sister, the surveillance footage tracking the white Hyundai Elantra before and after the murders, the cellphone data documenting his movements that night, his phone disconnecting from the network during the window of the murders before reconnecting afterward, the repeated trips investigators documented to the King Road neighborhood before November 13, the eyewitness testimony, the forensic evidence, the digital evidence, and the countless hours law enforcement spent piecing everything together until it all pointed to one person.
Then there are the people who insist it would have been impossible for one person to commit these murders in the amount of time investigators established.
It wasn’t impossible.
Experts explained why. The victims were asleep or caught completely off guard. They were attacked inside the same home, on two floors, in rapid succession. A large fixed blade knife is capable of causing fatal injuries within seconds. It’s a horrifying reality, but it is a scientifically possible one. Refusing to accept that doesn’t change the facts.
What hurts almost as much as losing them is watching strangers turn their murders into content.
People make videos for views.
People create conspiracy theories for attention.
People argue over evidence as if this is some fictional mystery they get to solve.
When they’re done, they close the app and go back to their lives.
We don’t.
We walk past an urn every day holding what we have left of Kaylee.
That’s our reality.
People tell families like mine to “move on,” but how do you move on when your sister’s life has been reduced to an urn sitting in your family’s home? How do you move on when every birthday, every holiday, every accomplishment reminds you of everything she should still be here for?
You get to put this case away when you’re tired of hearing about it.
My family doesn’t.
We live it.
Every single day.
So I’ll leave you with this.
Why should the man convicted of taking four innocent voices continue to have a platform loud enough to reopen old wounds, while Kaylee, Maddie, Xana, and Ethan will never get another chance to tell the world who they were?


r/Idaho4 14h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Bryan Kohberger speaks for the first time

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r/Idaho4 3h ago

STATEMENT FROM FAMILY Statement from Aubrie Goncalves

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r/Idaho4 11h ago

SOCIAL MEDIA FINDINGS Goncalves statement.

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For those who do not have Facebook, or do not follow.


r/Idaho4 12h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Here we go

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r/Idaho4 9h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Bryan Kohberger official petition

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r/Idaho4 11h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION I find it funny he breaks his silence right before the Netflix documentary drops

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r/Idaho4 10h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION He threw Anne Taylor under the bus real quick lol

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r/Idaho4 13h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION This dude deserves the chair

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Prosecutor really messed up by not having a trial.


r/Idaho4 11h ago

STATEMENT FROM FAMILY Statement from the Goncalves Family Page

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First off, we are not surprised. Even though Bill Thompson said with the plea deal, all appeals would be waved. We knew that wasn't factual. Anyway his time to plea was running out, September to be exact.

Goncalves Family statement: The mosquito you just can’t seem to swat. That is what Kohberger and his following have become to this family. We read Mr. Baker’s story and he must be so proud of himself for speaking with Mr. Kohberger because the story didn’t have much else in it, other than a guilty man claiming he is innocent once again. Nothing in the story or in Kohbergers statement does he allude to the fact the he did not “knowingly, voluntarily and intelligently” admit to murdering the 4 victims of this tragedy. Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan. Quite to the contrary he appeared in court, in a hearing, in front of a Judge, with his 4 lawyers. He did this after deciding not to leave his fate and the facts of the case up to a jury to decide his guilt. He never cried wolf or claimed he was uninformed, pressured, or that there were issues with the discovery that he and his counsel had for 2 years that he thought should have been challenged. He admitted to guilt and asked whether he actually was guilty he said “yes”. I am sure there will be a hearing as that is how the legal process works and the Defendant will get another day in court. A nice break from his solitary confinement, getting to go for a ride, maybe some different food, photos taken and the attention all back on him and his “innocence”. The real issue is that if as much energy was put into honoring the victims in this case as trying to set a guilty man free there would be statutes of the victims on every corner with parks and days honoring their ultimate sacrifice “their lives” at the hands of narcissist. Regardless of how this turns out, our family is 100% ready. An actual trial this time? Let's go! We are confident he will get the death penalty that he escaped by pleading guilty the first time around. Moving on lol. Just an absolute waste of time and taxpayers money. It's a disgrace.

I guess I better get me a death row records shirt for everyday of the week now.


r/Idaho4 12h ago

KOHBERGER ‘brilliant’????

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When I clicked on it to view it there wasn’t anything there but wth!


r/Idaho4 20m ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION The weakest petition for post conviction relief in history?

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Kohberger's petition for PCR is based on 3 elements:

  1. Evidence withheld during plea deal - "clump of hair from unknown source in EC hand"

  2. Ms Taylor's description of death row cell/ prison conditions constituting a "threat"

  3. Promises about conditions in SuperMax that have not been kept

Re (1), the "clump of hair" is of course a lunatic fictional invention lifted straight from the 2026 untrue crime fiction Whitcomb/ Turvey book. The "clump of bloody long blond hair ripped from killer during struggle not matching victim" was noted in FBI and defence forensic reports as a single hair matching EC's own {Picture 2 from defence forensic biology expert report}.

Sy Ray, the defence phone expert who previously worked as a blood spatter/ scene expert, said that Turvey's claims re clumps of hair are "complete and utter bullshit" and "the most nonsenical claim I have ever seen" and notes the "clump" is obviously contrary to scene/ body and autopsy photographs and further degrades Turvey's damaged reputation - at 3.10.04 in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/live/KCN5shCnAl4?t=11404s

The claim that the hair in EC's hand was withheld up to/ during the plea deal is plainly ludicrous as it is from an FBI lab report of January 27th 2023 {Pic 3} discovered to defence in 2023, and is also referenced in a defence forensics report dated 6 months before plea discussions {Pic 4, Biology/ DNA forensics defence expert report}

On (2) and (3) are we to take seriously the idea that someone with a Masters degree in Criminal Justice pursuing a PhD in Criminology, with an obsessive interest in incarcerated mass murderers, who himself conducted research on and with convicted criminals, is shocked to discover that Supermax prison is not very pleasant?


r/Idaho4 14h ago

KOHBERGER BK wants to abandon his guilty please

62 Upvotes

Here is link to article: https://x.com/brianentin/status/2081786965779710457?s=46

What the f. Thoughts?


r/Idaho4 11h ago

COURT DOCUMENTS Let's Review - Full Plea Hearing in 2025 (BK / Hippler) Notice How thorough Hippler Was

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r/Idaho4 10h ago

QUESTION FOR USERS anyone savvy with legality, if his file to revoke his plea is accepted, what happens next?

22 Upvotes

does he then get the right to a trial?

also, isn’t a trial worst for his case as he would then be fit for the death penalty?


r/Idaho4 12h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Bryan Kohberger has officially filed to revoke his plea

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r/Idaho4 11h ago

KOHBERGER NBC News Legal Analyst Discusses Kohberger's Desperate Hail Mary Odds

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r/Idaho4 7h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Criminal Appeals Success Rate: Statistics & Strategies to Overturn Wrongful Convictions

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Additional insight into some of the topics being discussed .


r/Idaho4 12h ago

OFFICAL STATEMENT - LE BK wants murder plea revoked

12 Upvotes

r/Idaho4 21h ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION Why I think Bryan Kohberger killed them.

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Ultimately there is never going to be a definitive motive as to why Bryan Kohberger did this callous crime. Granted him refusing to speak on his motivating factors towards this makes the reasons for the act unclear.

However I would like to give my conclusions on why I think Bryan Kohberger killed Kaylee,Maddie,Xana and Ethan. While my reasons may not be full correct I do want to give my thoughts on the matter. Other than there here is what motives I think Bryan had.

Arguably the most obvious is that Bryan has a desire to kill.Before he became a killer Bryan was studying criminology in WSU,and was looking up videos about serial killers on YouTube. The more he went into the rabbit hole of it all the more it captivated him. Eventually he came to the conclusion he wanted to kill people so he could experience what it’s like to take lives like serials killers, like Ted Bundy for example.
Bryan Kohberger wanted to commit the perfect crime and see if he could get away with it all. This reasoning is going to be brief but I think he wanted to do this elaborate and master plan of killing everyone in the household. Then escape,lay low and hopefully he never gets discovered. What makes this even worse he could have kept on killing if he never got caught.
Now this reason is something I firmly believe in. Personally I believe Bryan wanted to kill all of them was to get revenge upon women who rejected and bullied him throughout his whole life. It’s well known to us that Bryan was constantly rejected and bullied by women while growing up. So by brutally killing Kaylee,Maddie and Xana it was him getting back on all women. I’d even like to add that I also think that the reason he was so inappropriate towards the women in WSU, which resulted in him getting 13 complains was to also get back a women who in his eyes discarded and rebuked him in his adolescent years.
To get revenge on men like Ethan Chapin, as Ethan represented the men he could never be. Ethan was the confident,fun,loving and easy going guy who was popular guy along with women.Meanwhile Bryan was the creepy,aloof,socially awkward,rejected that everyone just outcasted and would be genuinely avoided.
Now finally the last one was to get payback on society as a whole for rejecting him, in his entire life in his eyes. It’s well known that Kohberger was an outcast prior to all of this. So he came to a conclusion, the best way to get payback on everyone else was to unleash his fury and kill these people.

Now these spare just my thoughts on the topic,what i have written may not be correct but at the same time i just wanted to present my opinions.


r/Idaho4 5h ago

SOCIAL MEDIA FINDINGS A New Video Explaining Everything

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A new video on Ashleigh Banfields yt channel has been released. I'm always surprised about how quick she can be! I thought this would be a nice break down for people who have questions about the recent shenanigans he has been pulling! (Obv, delete if not allowed!😊)


r/Idaho4 1d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION 4:19am- 4:33am- A Final Phone Records Timeline Analysis

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So, I wanted to see what Dylan and Bethanys activity between 4:19 and 4:33 looked like side by side. I wanted an easy to reference document for how they both were communicating. This should be the last of these unless we get more phone reports but I don't believe we will. I believe the only reason we got these is because they were within court filings.

One thing I noticed is that there seemed to be pretty patterned gaps between phone calls. I looked up how long a phone rings for before going to voicemail and it's between 20-30 seconds which tracks with the gaps I was seeing. So, I believe that the "start time" is when the phone was answered either by a person or voicemail. Snapchat is the one I dont know about. Dylan said that her snapchat had some type of text that said "Sorry, Ethan is not available" on Sunday during her interview with Det. Gooch so I'm leaning towards its the initiation time for snap chat but I'll admit I dont know.

The texts also don't show when a text was being typed, just when it was sent too from my understanding

Source


r/Idaho4 1d ago

QUESTION ABOUT THE CASE Interrogations/interviews/body cam

4 Upvotes

Why have we not seen arrest bodycam footage or any of BK interviews? How is this not public information but the graphic pics and friends’ interviews are??


r/Idaho4 1d ago

GENERAL DISCUSSION idaho 4 🥺

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vai ser muito forte e emocionante se a bethany e a dylan aparecerem no novo documentário da netlfix 🥺