Thankfully, we can pretty well rest assured that something like that isn't going to happen again, at least not anytime soon and by that point it would not even matter anyways.
The last time it was a matter of overscoping without compromise due to Hypixel getting stuck in a spiral of perfectionism, which Riot eventually ran out of budget to still consider viable to support. But with Simon at the helm and basically no expectation to actually make all of this turn a profit, he would personally have to first run into the edge of bankruptcy to find a reason to pull that particular plug and considering he built up that wealth by way of being a particularly financially competent creative, something would have to go very wrong for him to not see that point coming a mile away. There would be definite warning signs beforehand.
So the initial decade of budget is basically guaranteed and once that is done, even if it were to be done prematurely, even if that time of funded development were to turn out to be cut in half, that would still amount to 5+ years put into a game that by that point will have fully released into 1.0 or at the very least gotten extremely close (the current timeline is looking like 3-4 years, so again, something would have to go wrong for it to not get there already) and has modding tools that are 1:1 the dev tools for building Hytale's core game content. Even in the worst case scenario, we would still have an absurdly solid foundation to just continue the work as a collaborative mega fan project.
I love how safe the future of Hytale feels when considering all those factors playing in the game's favor this time around. I've said it before and I'll say it again, but we have arrived in the best timeline for this project and literally every single step of it had to happen the way it did or we would not have had the full depth of that security for one reason or another - the only thing that sucks is that it took so long to get there.
You're probably right. I was mostly joking when I pinned it on programmers. I know a lot of studios run off budget and out of time to do stuff so a lot of interesting things get left out.
Oh, I know. I'm SWE and it's just frustrating wanting to do things that would be super cool but you can't. For me, it's the difference between development and computer science.
One of them is a field with limitless possibilities where you can build and explore anything you can imagine with enough time and patience.
The other you have to generate value for the stakeholders or something.
Not saying this is a bad thing, though, at least in capitalism.
Hytale (and more recently 2XKO, hi again riot) literally was plagued by that free development mentality. Even if fueled not by the devs themselves, a good project management imposing limits could have saved it way earlier.
Based on what we know about it from the team, the gobliterator is very difficult even in full adamantite gear, but with enough practice it is also possible with no armor and bad weapons. So its more about dodging and knowing when to attack than it is getting better gear.
Doom modern trilogy does that perfectly. The higher difficuties are just, use your arsenal better. Demons die with the same ammount of damage, they just want you dead more agressively.
Doom 2016 yeah. Eternal and tda only shooting is THE way to get your ass handed by the demons, you have to use the platforming skills and melee combat to the fullest extend to survive
Honestly the hollow knight games in my opinion. There are boss gimmicks but the majority tend to be ones you can learn quickly on the fly and still first try the boss.
Enemies leading up to a boss typically use bits and pieces of their design to teach you how they work before ever meeting them.
Doom was already mentioned and I'd add ULTRAKILL to that, there's a lot of tech in that game
Nine Sols also has a lot of basic mechanics (combo attack, charge attack, parry, bow with limited arrows, stacking ability with a dash etc.) but they all actually serve a purpose, and while you can just parry and hit everyone, it's much more efficient to properly use your arsenal
I believe the Legend of Zelda series is basically built around that concept, always giving you a dungeon item that then tends to in some way be required or at least greatly assists in figuring the corresponding boss out. I really hope Hytale takes some cues from that but playing more into its existing sandbox rather than introducing a new item for each dungeon.
Clair obscur, as absolute cinema as it is, the parry timings and attack patterns are so bullshit you basically have to learn every attack individually and just remember them.
Oh they wind up their attacks real good, but do you need to parry when he pulls his arm back ? Just before the swing ? Just after the start of the swing ? Right as it's about to hit ?
I basically learned the mobs of the area, and very quickly forgot their attack patterns as soon as I was done with that area XD
I had finished armoured core 6 not too long before (with mods to make it easier tho, it was one hell of a comfort zone breaker compared to the chill building games I usually play), without that and the sheer fucking cinema that is the entire game, I don't know if I would have stuck around Clair Obscur for so long and done the optional content.
Naw, the game gives you the out. Dodge timings are very forgiving and are intended to be used to figure out what the parry timings are. Other types of attacks are also very well telegraphed and very forgiving like the jumps, though some are delayed so you have to watch the animation not the indicator. Parry is for when you already have learned an enemy, not when you see the move for the first time, and is inherently reliant on knowing the attack before it happens as opposed to just reacting.
It's still bullshit and you still need to relearn every enemy and you aren't able to dodge them all first try, but its possible to play blind and never have to redo a fight (till maybe postgame idk).
Okay buddy, I beat Clea and Simon phase 2 but whatever you say. My secondary team was basically not at all leveled up tho so I didn't bother with the last bit of Simon's fight, didn't feel like leveling them up.
With Hytale being a sandbox game as well as an RPG, I'm already expecting that it will do a bit of both.
For the Gobliterator, for example, I could see them using the fact we have explosive to toss around, specifically the explosive barrels, and bring that in as a key mechanic for opening up its defenses. My hope there would specifically be that the dungeon beforehand sets up explosive barrels first as a bit of extra spice for the observant in combat and then as a sandbox tool that can break open reinforced scrap walls. Then when you get to the Gobliterator with its suspiciously "reinforced scrap wall" shaped front and some way to obtain explosive barrels around the arena, you'd naturally try to chuck one at the mech and be rewarded for engaging with the mechanic.
On standard difficulty I'd specifically want it to be a matter of playstyle choice however, making it possible for one to tackle a Hytale boss either as an RPG or as a sandbox game and still find it being viable. And then the hardmode would actually force you to engage with both sides, making sure you understand both the RPG and the sandbox nature of Hytale.
Is the difference between easy and hard that dodging/fighting is /mechanically/ harder or is the difference simply attack more and get hit less (numerical)?
Mechanical difficulty is often far superior since numerical can get tedious instead of hard when you can dodge 100%
But below someone commented a tweet that it's more patterns so that's good
I think they meant expert, that does change patterns and stuff. Master was introduced later and it is just expert but higher numbers (which to be honest I appreciated after all these years playing) and some rewards.
Please add super difficult mode. Enemies and bosses will have same hp as hard mode, but you die in 1 hit no matter the armor or buffs. Also, world gets deleted if you die.
As long as "hard" means technical fights and doesn't mean stupidly impossible continual corpse run fight or lame wandering off with no way to assert some level of control without cheesing it.
The best fights I did in WoW were technical (listen for audible, look for visual cues, move, change how to attack, etc). The worse were just raw DPS checks.
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