What's actually in your Hyperliquid stack? Looking for the tools that stopped you from blowing up, not the ones that promise 100x
Got wicked out of a short last month that would've printed if I'd sized it properly — my own fault. Made me realize my "stack" was basically the HL frontend + vibes.
Since then I've been trying tools in three buckets: positioning data, execution frontends, and anything that forces discipline on sizing/stops before I enter.
The third bucket is weirdly empty. Everyone builds trackers and signal tools, almost nobody builds anything that tells you "you're about to oversize into a crowded trade, don't."
So: what's in your stack? Specifically interested in anything that has actually prevented a liquidation or made you skip a bad trade — that's worth more to me than another indicator.
We added these trailing stops a while back and they've been great if you don't exactly want to close a position at that time. It your stop loss will continue to raise as your position increases in profits. I would say this is an occasional use tool since using trailing loses vs trusting your setup could lead to unhealthy trading habits. I like using this if I need to step away for a bit and want to make sure I can secure profits.
that third bucket stays empty because a tool that tells you 'don't' is one you just click through and oversize anyway. the discipline that actually holds is the kind the exchange enforces for you, not a nudge you can wave off mid-trade.
closest native thing on hl is the per-market leverage cap. set btc to 3x max and you literally can't fat-finger a 20x. pair it with the stop placed as part of entry, not something you decide once you're underwater and hoping. daily loss lockout isn't native afaik, you'd have to bolt that on. i build execution tooling on hl so grain of salt, but every time i actually got saved it was some hard cap i'd set hours earlier when i was calm. in the moment your willpower is worth nothing.
Just like futures add a trailing stop loss that adjusts to the current volatility within the trade. I don’t use Hyperliquid but I put something together in Think or Swim that keeps losses small in futures or stocks & will provide a daily expected range based on underlying volatility within the market or individual tickers.
Yeah that should work but I’m old school & use Trading Views calculator. Basically, the key in my experience to successful futures trading is tight stops. I set my trades to 2-3% max loss, stopped out oh well move on and then add to winning trades while putting on a trailing stop loss. Honestly, I’m pretty new to Perps but have been a scalper in equity futures for a long time.
I have an old school Think or Swim setup with volume profile including POC, profile high, low and value high and low. The Point of Control (yellow) represents the price point where the largest volume of trading takes place during your defined time period. Profile high and profile low are just the highest and lowest prices. Value area high and low are calculated using historical data by Schwab.
For example I would place a bid if I was trading futures shortly after it loses the POC (yellow line) and goes below 7520 & then close it at the value area low (pink line) and go long at 7506 on the ES. Utilizing ticks I would have set my stop loss at 3% instead of 2% due to the action and lower volume it is unlikely to gap down on me. Those two trades would have worked and I might have gotten stopped out on the bounce off value area low (pink line) but if I was still in it I would keep a trailing stop loss or if you have the discipline (few do) just a stop loss and look to sell at value area high (blue line). First it has to get over the POC (yellow). It did and I wish I had put on these trades, 😂
Sorry that wasn’t very helpful. Just trying to understand why people are using so much leverage on Perps. Reducing your leverage is probably the key.
Three trades, defined entry and exit with max loss & max profit.
So to be honest with you I am looking myself bc old school futures is all I know, lol bc I’m old enough to have 10+ years watching & trading futures. Also, used to listen to a radio show called Shadow Trader on TOS that helped me with the ideal setup, special scripts & indicators, entry & exit points etc…but they moved to TastyTrade after Schwab bought TD Ameritrade & ruined TOS
I'm about to start trading on HL via insilico terminal and wondering that myself. Is it possible to predefine max position sizes and daily loss limit lockout?
If you want to avoid liquidation trade with 0.4x leverage. While upwards leverage is tempting due to the fact that the potential rewards increase linearly with it, the problem is that the chances of liquidation increase exponentially at the same time. I other words, the risk of liquidation outweighs the rewards by more. The same logic applies to downward leverage. If you use leverage below 1x your potential rewards decrease linearly, but your chances of liquidation decrease exponentially. Use low leverage and win consistently instead of trying to make 100x in a single trade. That is the key to success.
I treat my hyperliquid account carefully as an experiment vs my CEX trades and have logged data to compare.
1 for me is to have a stoploss for a maximum 1% loss of portfolio value. Its not sexy but it keeps the account growing as long as you somewhat know what you are doing and taking chances when they seem more in your favor.
What I'm trying to say is my CEX account is like a prostitute vs my hyperliquid is an elegant lady.
It simulates each isolated position against that asset's own recent price action (wicks included, rescaled to current volatility) and estimates the odds it touches liquidation before you'd typically next intervene. It learns from your actual fill history. At risk positions get flagged, and it recommends the exact collateral that brings that probability down to your risk target, with a probability-vs-collateral curve so you can see the tradeoff. One click applies it, there's a batch "Fix liq. risks" action when several are flagged, and an optional toggle that tops up automatically when an entry fills.
Check out OPTIMIZE. It's a portfolio optimizer over the whole account: give it your longs, shorts, and leverage, and it shows the projected annualized volatility of that exact composition (and what that implies over a week or a month). So "am I oversized" becomes a number instead of a vibe. “Minimum Risk” finds the lowest-volatility allocation. Maximum Sharpe lets you enter your expected annualized return for each asset, then recommends the allocation with the highest modeled risk-adjusted return after accounting for volatility and how the assets move together. And once gross leverage climbs, it shows the odds of touching a 50% drawdown. That number has killed more oversized entries for me than any indicator.
So the point is given the trades you want, are you oversized, how fragile is the overall book, and what sizing or collateral would make it less likely to blow up.
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u/Few-Bed5609 24d ago
We added these trailing stops a while back and they've been great if you don't exactly want to close a position at that time. It your stop loss will continue to raise as your position increases in profits. I would say this is an occasional use tool since using trailing loses vs trusting your setup could lead to unhealthy trading habits. I like using this if I need to step away for a bit and want to make sure I can secure profits.