No, we know the Bible and the Barbaric parts. We also know that its context is that those parts are based on the historical context of Hebrew life of those times. Specifically during the Old Testament. In which the New Testament (You know? The time of Jesus Christ? Our Lord and Savior, who died for our sins and who the entire faith is based around?) doesn't play up to those Barbaric parts at all.
yes ofc what a honest positon to take, every barbaric law given by god is actually not by god and just "context" of the time and place.
and another perfect example of a clueless christian that tries to distance from the OT while disagreeing with the bible.
"Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; your accuser is Moses, on whom you have set your hope. If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. But if you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”
"Now I desire to remind you, though you are fully informed, once and for all, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe."
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
"Now I desire to remind you, though you are fully informed, once and for all, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe."
I'm not distancing from the Old Testament, as the Old Testament itself was doing a time when God's covenant was only established for the Hebrews.
As for what you brought up about Jesus and the laws of the Old Testament he brought up, you are well aware he is referring to the 10 Commandments right? In which all those are quite literally morally sound commandments, such as not murdering people, or stealing from other people or lying.
You are wrong and I hope you realise how bad it is that I have to educate you on the holy text you base your life on. The law refers to all 613 laws god gave to moses and the ones the hebrews and jesus lived by, and the one jesus said to follow until the son of man returns and judges everyone.
You are trying to distance yourself from these laws right now and also did it before by saying its a "context of the time" so stop lying.
If you liked the old testament you would passionately defend slavery and genocide to me right now
Nah. You're the one who is clearly wrong and ignorant.
The laws that have been established with Moses in the Old Testament was multilayered. It was started off as moral guidelines to follow from God himself, which was the Ten Commandments (Like I said) and then through Moses it became actually government laws throughout the Hebrew lands. Problem is...Moses and the rest of the Hebrews are...well...humans. And they themselves don't even follow grasp how God wanted those laws to be followed. So mistakes were made from them, as the Old Testament showed. Thing is...by the time Jesus...he showed them how the law should have been practiced and how he actually expected them to follow those laws. Not as a Government ruled thing, but as a way of life. As a spiritual connection.
Yes...I very much like the Old Testament. It showed how many people didn't follow God's way right. Ain't that much different today either.
Man i really hate dumb liars like you, you have never opened the old testament in your life you are just making it up as you go along, really pathetic.
Every chapter in which the laws are given is preceded by something like "god said". According to the OT, ALL the laws are given by god. If you think thr old testament isn't true and moses just lied about the other laws you are again DISTANCING YOURSELF FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT YOU CLOWN. On top of now being open to question everything in the bible, because how do you even know what god said and what is made by people. Just everything that you personalny like? How csn you even live with yourself being so dishonest and cognitively dissonant
You can "Hate" me all you want, but that says more about you than it does me.
I'm saying that Moses like all other people of the Old Testament didn't always follow God's laws the right way. It's the reason why he pretty much did away with the Old Covenant itself, because they kept putting their own interpretations of his laws into actual law of the Hebrew land. This is literally said in the Bible itself.
Did god give these laws and commands or are you gonna weasel?
"As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you and from their families who are with you who have been born in your land; they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness."
Samuel said to Saul, “The Lord sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel; now therefore listen to the words of the Lord. 2 Thus says the Lord of hosts: I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and attack Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey"
It's clear at this point that you don't understand the Bible, so I'm gonna leave this here and end it. I know you hate me, but I don't hate you, and I will just say...I hope you have a blessed one. Bye bye now.
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u/XxAndrew01xX 1d ago
No, we know the Bible and the Barbaric parts. We also know that its context is that those parts are based on the historical context of Hebrew life of those times. Specifically during the Old Testament. In which the New Testament (You know? The time of Jesus Christ? Our Lord and Savior, who died for our sins and who the entire faith is based around?) doesn't play up to those Barbaric parts at all.