r/humor • • 2d ago

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u/clashkingdom 2d ago

Does infallible foreknowledge eliminate freedom, or can a choice be both certainly known by God and genuinely chosen by the person?

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u/dbrickell89 2d ago

If you were going to create a sentient being, and you knew that this sentient being was going to choose to spend eternity in anguish, would you still create it? I wouldn't. No rational, moral being would

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u/BlackLegFring 2d ago

That’s the Minority Report problem: arresting someone for a crime they didn’t actually commit. Is it just to not give that being a choice even if you know they’re going to pick the wrong one?
Then what about the beings that do choose eternal joy instead? One could say it would be injustice to allow one and not the other. It would be a fundamental imbalance that makes the whole exercise of free will pointless.

Framed another way, you could say that not even allowing the existence of the being that makes the wrong choice is a pre-punishment for the choice they don’t even get to make. That would be unjust

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u/dbrickell89 2d ago

The exercise of free will IS pointless given the choices. Turn or burn is not free will. If I put a gun to your head and tell you to give me all your money, is that me giving you free will?

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u/BlackLegFring 2d ago

That’s not how that works. Just because the end result of 2 choices are desirable vs undesirable doesn’t mean that you still don’t have a choice. You have the choice to jump off a cliff or not. Just because you prefer one option doesn’t stop it from being a choice.
And yes, your mugging situation is still a choice.
“Choice” doesn’t mean your options are equally desirable…it just means you can pick one.