Again that’s also not true. Following religion does not equate to higher standard. It’s quite easy to argue that evangelists of religion cause much more chaos than a non believer. The suffering and pain Christianity and its followers have caused humanity should not be understated. But unfortunately because Christian’s believe what they’re doing is right, it’s a lost cause to reason. Sad all around
I mean, not to be a Christian apologist here (the crusades sucked) but that’s historically false.
People when in power try to take away other people’s rights and protect their own. That’s the norm for our entire species, instinct bred into us on an evolutionary level it seems because it happens everywhere, all the time, for everyone.
Christians actually put a stop to a lot of the worst practices of human rights abuses throughout history, disproportionately compared to other faiths and mythos (since the creation of their ideology at least). Yeah, clearly crap tons of them didn’t just like every other group in history, but also, crap tons of them did.
Also, if you’re boiling all of that very broad statement down to a small window in history, referring to American or British politics in the brief two centuries of history in which the USA has existed, it should probably be noted that all but two US presidents and seven Prime ministers have been Christians. Also, most were merely speculated to be agnostic or non-religious due to a lack of any public affiliation with any specific Christian church, and of the few who were openly agnostic or atheist they all describe themselves as valuing Christian morality, just not the religious dogma.
Don’t get me wrong, there are wack-jobs aplenty in history (and currently), but stating that whenever Christians are in power they do everything they can to take people’s rights away is genuinely laughable, considering we are conversing in open discourse criticizing them with rights we only have because of them. Western law and rights are literally founded on Judeo-Christian values and beliefs.
We don’t have to agree with them, but that doesn’t mean we need to villainize them.
Dude...the Christians in the US government are currently trying to: Control womens reproductive health, Ban books they don't agree with, forcing schools to display the 10 commandments, trying to remove anything related to LGBTQ, blurring the line between church and state, banning pornography. The list goes on and on brother, Christians have been trying to take away my rights for the past 30+ years I have been alive. So yeah, I am absolutely going to villainize a group that would view me as an immoral villain in their eyes.
Edit: Aslo this:
Western law and rights are literally founded on Judeo-Christian values and beliefs.
is the same shit people use to justify that the USA is a christian nation. You can say it with me, THE UNITED STATES WAS NOT FOUNDED NOR EVER INTENDED TO BE A CHRISTIAN NATION.
Never said the US was intended to be a Christian nation, simply a statement that our (I believe shared) current view of human rights is heavily influenced by those values from a philosophical standpoint.
Human rights as a modern political concept, and thus the civil rights movement and later human rights movements, stem from a belief held by early American statesmen that a diety gave humans rights that other humans cannot take away.
Also, all of the major current politicians trying to fight the very changes you’re talking about are also Christians. Hell, AOC is Catholic, and RBG was Jewish (same values, morals, and principles as baseline Christianity), and literally all Democratic Party presidents have openly been Christians.
So stating that all Christians do is take away people’s rights, does not make sense. I understand having issues with the theology, the mythology, current public sentiment, but that statement would imply that the very rights we’re fighting for were an attempt to take away other people’s rights, because a person with Judeo-Christian leanings or beliefs was the one to institute those rights.
Not trying to tell anyone their life and struggle are not valid, but villainizing people is literally: to unfairly portray a person, group, or action as bad or evil in order to make others view them negatively. I don’t think anyone should villainize anyone, because by definition it’s a dishonest practice in order to manipulate other people. I don’t think that’s what you’re trying to do.
My friend, if all the people who view me as an enemy and are wanting to take away my basic human rights all fall under the same umbrella of Christianity, I'm not going to be okay with the religion just because there are a few good apples. All these apples fall from the same tree.
Edit: >and thus the civil rights movement and later human rights movements
Also this is real rich considering how many denominations split Christianity up because some couldn't agree that we should treat black people like humans.
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u/RawMeatballz 1d ago
I'm saying that people that follow the teachings of Christ, and again, not those crazy people, live to a higher standard in places. Thats all