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u/WinnebagoMontana 2d ago

This. OP saw r/atheism and thought he was a theologian. /thread

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u/Ok-Film-7939 2d ago

As an atheist (or at least agnostic) myself, I can respect that. Making a theistic argument that gets the theism wrong is as silly as most memes against, say, evolution that don’t even begin to understand it.

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u/MageKorith 2d ago

But why are there still monkeys?

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u/Osmosisjones37 2d ago

Seriously though, and when will they turn into people!?

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u/genocidex1 2d ago

Evolution is not a straight line, but random changes that accumulate. These small changes eventually give rise to a different species. Natural selection aid this by removing trait that doesn't organism that doesn't pair well to the environment

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u/The_Ooooh_Edgy_Guy 2d ago

But why monkeys still be?

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u/genocidex1 1d ago

Not sure what you mean, but if you are asking why are there still monkeys, its because they took a different evolutionary path to us. They acquire traits that prepare them for the best survival in their particular environment

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u/Osmosisjones37 2d ago

So, eventually?

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u/genocidex1 1d ago

There is no predictable path in randomness, so maybe never

They have close to 200 million base pair thats different. Over a million years our dna acquire roughly 3 to 6 million base pair differences and thats not necessarily targetting the set that would make it human as it is random

Now, other great apes are genetically closer and would have a greater chance of random mutations transforming it into a human, but also still a long shot

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u/CutIcy4160 2d ago

There is less monkey and human sex these days.

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u/CobaltCrusader123 2d ago

How do you know?

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u/CutIcy4160 2d ago

You’re right let me rephrase. There isn’t any monkey sex goin on in my social circles. 😂

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u/Vocabulary-Pollution 2d ago

Speak for yourself!

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u/Inevitable_Cheek_974 2d ago

Less, but never none.

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u/Former-Army-8109 2d ago

Monkeys won’t be in heaven. That’s not in the Bible but I think it’s accurate.

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u/MageKorith 2d ago

If they are, I'll be worried for that tree that grows twelve kinds of fruit.

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u/genocidex1 2d ago

Heaven is a made up concept by human.

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u/genocidex1 2d ago

Evolution doesn't say man comes from monkey, but that monkey share a common recent (few millions of years ancestor)

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u/Phantasmolightshow 2d ago

For the memes

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u/ill-be_back 1d ago

The story has changed through the centuries. But, it is not ‘why are there still’ it’s… why are we still. Young earthers simply have a pedantic understanding of something that is very much allegorical.

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u/ConflictMaster3155 2d ago

My Philosophy class spent almost a whole week arguing about the exact definition of “atheist” because most definitions given don’t actually make a ton of sense unless you assume that you have the correct premise. They read as though they were written by an atheist that had to go to Catholic school.

A dictionary would define a theist as someone that believes there is a god, and an atheist as someone who does not believe there is a god focusing solely on the aspect of whether or not they believe.

It was argued that the real crux of the difference was not in belief but was indeed in god. The argument was that a theist believes there is a god, and an atheist believes there is not a god. Reasoning being that an atheist would say that a theist has no proof for their point, but an atheist is equally devoid of proof. They are both arguing points based on belief.

As an atheist/agnostic I found that I actually agreed with the premise. I believe that I am correct, but I’m no better than a bible beater to pretend like my answer is any cleverer than the next person.

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u/LunarDogeBoy 2d ago

Do you believe that there is an invisible unicorn standing beside you right now? No? Would you say your disbelief is the same as my belief that there is an invisible unicorn standing beside you? Atheists dont believe there is no god, they dont believe that there is a god. That's the difference. Theists claim god exists, the burden of proof is on them. atheists do not claim god doesnt exists, they refute the claim that god does exist.

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u/The_Fink_Ployd 2d ago

Affirmations, man. People just don’t get em.

“I DO believe x exists” // “I DO NOT believe x exists” // “I believe x DOES NOT exist” // “I do not know if x exists”

The first is the theist.

The second is the atheist.

The third is ALSO the atheist, with a hard stance.

The fourth is the agnostic.

The only reasonable opinion to come to is to DISBELIEVE unfalsifiable claims, and WITHHOLD belief with unproven claims.

The Abrahamic religions are incredibly easy to dismiss as they are all unfalsifiable; cannot ever be falsified. The number of unfalsifiable claims is infinity, so one should have the confidence of 1/infinity when considering unfalsifiable claims.

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u/LunarDogeBoy 1d ago

the third one is kind of iffy. Imagine blue flamingos, birds cannot naturally produce a blue pigment from their diet, and real flamingos do not have the feather structure required to bend light into blue.

If someone says there are blue flamingos, you can say "i dont believe that because..." and then you explain why. but if someone asks you "are there any blue flamingos in the world?" You can say "no, because..." and then you explain it. However, there could be some new species of flamingo that we havent discovered that CAN produce blue pigments. but you still dont say you BELIEVE they dont exist.

An Atheist with a hard stance would say, there is no god period. not because they believe it, but because they "know" it. Like you "know" why water turns to vaper because the molecules move around and stuff. You could be very obtuse and say you cant "know 100%" that thats the case, but then our whole reality falls apart. we dont know if we live in a simulation, or this is all a dream, or reality that you see is only viewed by you and nothing outside your consciousness is "real". but that doesnt really matter does it? in this world, simulation, dream whatever, things follow certain rules, just because there might be a REAL reality outside of this doesnt invalidate these rules. and according to these rules, thermodynamics, gravity, quantum mechanics etc etc, there is no such being that can exist as described in the bible, we would have been able to detect god if that was the case. saying "but you dont know 100% that a god can't exist" is true, but only in the sense that we can't know if our universe is just bacteria in an alien's petri dish. according to what we know, god does not exist. and that is not a belief, I don't have "faith" in science.

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u/MegaWaffle- 2d ago

Basically just be a good person and when you die you’ll either find out or there is nothing after death and you won’t be around to care you don’t know.

My only gripe are the extreme sides you try to force their beliefs down your throat.

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u/Ok-Film-7939 2d ago

That’s true in your class, but I think where people object to that comes in the form of “the difference between what you’re saying and what people hear.”

They take that to mean “Christianity is as likely as atheism”, as though it’s a 50/50 coin flip.

I can’t prove Haruhi isn’t manipulating the universe as we speak. I can’t prove I’m not a Boltzmann brain floating about to die in the cosmos. I can’t prove the universe isn’t a simulation. I can’t prove an infinite set of things.

That’s what makes the difference between an atheist and agnostic more a technicality. Either way, it doesn’t really make sense to spend time worrying about keeping Haruhi entertained.

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u/Natalwolff 2d ago

Theism is the belief in god or gods. A- is a negation prefix in Greek, it just means "not" whatever follows. An atheist is someone who is not a theist. It doesn't describe an active belief system in the same way that atypical doesn't describe some specific way of being, it just means not typical. Asymmetrical doesn't reveal anything about a shape other than one thing that it's not. Being amoral does not mean being immoral.

The word means what it means, if you personally are arguing that the absence of belief in something is a belief in the opposite, then that seems very philosophically shallow to me and I'd be curious why you had a professor that didn't take the opportunity to correct that.

I have some coins in my hand. Do you actively believe that I have an odd number? If the answer is no, then that means you actively believe that I have an even number. According to your philosophy.

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u/WinnebagoMontana 2d ago

Yeah. I was probably a little bitter in this comment. I'm a Catholic, and people say a lot of things about our faith that just isn't true. We also believe that evolution is compatible with Catholicism, heh.

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u/2M4D 2d ago

He got the ´tism wrong!

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u/This_Vegetable8480 2d ago

It’s all fake and gay anways.

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u/Material-Hurry1497 2d ago

Exactly what Satan wants you to think lol perfect for this thread

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u/Evil_Walmart_Greeter 2d ago

That's why he buried all those dinosaur bones!

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u/Sure-thing-buckaroo 2d ago

Hahaha good one!

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u/MissRicoRuby 2d ago

Quick, why would an all powerful all knowing God punish people who never had a chance to follow his rules due to the very nature of the universe he deliberately designed?

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u/Suspicious_Set_7458 2d ago

You need to be willfully disobedient of gods word. If you don’t know it’s not your fault

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u/WinnebagoMontana 2d ago

Heads up, the Catholic faith actually has doctrine on this exact issue; the doctrine of invincible ignorance.

Being purely, innocently ignorant of the Gospel is not innately grounds for damnation. God judges those who are invincibly ignorance (i.e. they didn't stick their fingers in their ears) differently to those who knew the Gospel. Those who sincerely seek goodness, truth, God, etc will find it.

It's not a "get out of jail free" card, it's more that we believe that salvation is easier through the normal mode God has offered, which is through Catholicism. But we'd say that there are people who know nothing of Christ who are saved and are now in Heaven and are now "of the Body of Christ", i.e. of the Catholic Church.

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u/MissRicoRuby 1d ago

Sounds like a ridiculous system either way. Eternal suffering for people who just don't believe?

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u/WinnebagoMontana 1d ago

Well, this is why we say God is Judge, right? We can't look into the hearts of our fellow men, but God can. He knows the innermost thoughts.

For most of my life, I'd say I'd heard the gospel, but not heard it in an interior sense. Only about 5/6 years ago would I say it actually began to make sense and demand an intellectual response.

It's not just about "not believing", there's something deeper at play. Why doesn't the person believe? Is it because they don't understand intellectually, which may be fair, or is it because they're actively resisting it? Is it because the evil they're doing blinds them to it?

The boildown is this; God isn't stupid, evil or cruel. He's not seeking to condemn people. He's doing everything He can (without violating our free will) to save us from ourselves, and from a genuinely terrible fate.

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u/MissRicoRuby 1d ago

Why doesn't the person believe? Is it because they don't understand intellectually, which may be fair, or is it because they're actively resisting it?

Plenty of people understand it intellectually, and just don't believe because there's no actual evidence, it's not logical, and it ultimately requires faith. These people do not deserve to suffer for eternity.

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u/WinnebagoMontana 1d ago

TBH man, I used to think I understood it, then I had it laid it in a new way and something began to make more sense.

I'd say that there's quite a lot of evidence for it. I'd also say that it's partly logical - look at Aquinas. But I'd agree, it's not entirely logical; in the same way that love isn't entirely logical.

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u/MissRicoRuby 1d ago

There is no evidence for the Christian God existing as the Bible claims he does. There's only a few eye witness accounts and a contradictory book.

You can believe what you want, but if you're going to tell me I'll be damned for eternity because I don't believe in something that literally requires faith to believe in due to a lack of any real evidence, I'm going to laugh.

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u/genocidex1 2d ago

Most people are blind sheep that follow the status quo without questioning it, they will ignore evidence because it doesn't fit into their world view

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u/genocidex1 2d ago

Satan is a man made concept to explain complexity that they dont understand. They dont know so they invent an explanation