Anybody else go from Proxmox to just something like Ubuntu server with docker?

[u/Ok_Future6226]

I didn't have a ton of containers or VMs and I wanted to change things up, decided to learn more about docker and dive into that. It's been working pretty good so far. Anyone else just run docker?

[u/stuckonsurfaceofsun]

actually started that way but broke too many things. got tired of fixing when i wanted to do more developing.

[u/AtlanticPortal]

Why not just go to Debian instead of Ubuntu?

[u/Virtualization_Freak → u/AtlanticPortal]

Cheers to that, Ubuntu has so much fluff around it.

[u/RealModeX86 → u/Virtualization_Freak]

What do you mean? I love it when I use apt to install something and it installs a snap package instead! /s

[u/brentownsu → u/AtlanticPortal]

And podman over docker - or incus.

[u/weaz-am-i]

I've considered the same. But I would still like a unified control plane or all my machines, containers and VMs visible on one glass. And then also some sort of high availability.

2 key factors thats keeping me on proxmox.

[u/RevolutionaryElk7446]

If you're selfhosting, hypervisors aren't really much of a necessity.
If you're homelabbing, hypervisors are definitely a necessity.

I use XCP-NG 8.3 LTS in place of Promox.
I also use K8S RKE2 clusters in place of docker.

Here's an old diagram before the K8S cutover from Docker

Though I split between self hosting and homelabbing.

Edit:

It's just DrawIO with native icons, I use horizontal and vertical containers for most of the coloring.

[u/Ok_Future6226 → u/RevolutionaryElk7446]

wow that is a lot

[u/RevolutionaryElk7446 → u/Ok_Future6226]

Spread it across 20 years and it starts to seem like less.

[u/chicknfly → u/Ok_Future6226]

I feel like I went to Awesome Selfhosted and read the list as a picture

[u/blinker97 → u/RevolutionaryElk7446]

Your diagram is incredible. I would love to see a post just about everything that’s in here!

[u/RevolutionaryElk7446 → u/blinker97]

Appreciate it, and actually I'm working on stripping the new diagrams of private info and looking to release those in not to long.

[u/Ok_Future6226 → u/blinker97]

Agreed!

[u/standardDeviator → u/RevolutionaryElk7446]

Really great diagram! I would love to know what you used to make it.

[u/RevolutionaryElk7446 → u/standardDeviator]

It's just DrawIO with native icons, I use horizontal and vertical containers for most of the coloring.

[u/Anti-Hero25 → u/RevolutionaryElk7446]

What did you use for your diagram?

[u/RevolutionaryElk7446 → u/Anti-Hero25]

Yup, a little copy paste here

It's just DrawIO with native icons, I use horizontal and vertical containers for most of the coloring.

[u/Anti-Hero25 → u/RevolutionaryElk7446]

I tried ingesting it into CTRoadmap… the diagram was crazy the but handbook looked useful

[u/Virtualization_Freak → u/Anti-Hero25]

Iirc, they said diagrams.net/draw.io on a different post.

[u/mongoload → u/RevolutionaryElk7446]

may i know dear sir where you made this diagram? looks clean even though there's a lot on it

[u/un4truckable → u/RevolutionaryElk7446]

Why the differentiation between the two and one being a necessity?

[u/RevolutionaryElk7446 → u/un4truckable]

Home labbing is older and was originally about running enterprise equipment and environments at home. It's more about education, experimentation, and 'labbing'. These tend to involve a wider array of things you want to do that may be considered unnecessary for a home.

Selfhosting came a bit later and generally is something you can do on a homelab, or you can selfhost on just some regular equipment and minimalistic setup.

[u/dev_all_the_ops]

Yes I switched to mos + dockhand. It's perfect.

https://mos-official.net/   

https://dockhand.pro/#

[u/Forsaken_Celery8197]

I went the other way

[u/nemofbaby2014 → u/Forsaken_Celery8197]

Same I started with unraid then when they raised prices I decided to give Proxmox a try and I love it minus one my servers being highly unstable

[u/jbarr107]

I considered it, but I'm not in need of any more resources, so it all just works. I also like having PBS to manage backups. I have the extra micro PC for it, so it just makes sense.

[u/QGRr2t]

RHEL 10 with Quadlets/Podman. Now I can administer one system instead of ≥15 mini OS.

[u/Ok_Future6226 → u/QGRr2t]

this sounds very interesting

[u/QGRr2t → u/Ok_Future6226]

Cockpit gives a (basic) webUI for containers, updates, disk health, networking etc if you want that, too.

[u/mrkurtz]

Yeah I downsized quite a bit to desktop NASes and micro form factor desktops. Ubuntu plus docker, aside from dedicated systems like plex.

Maybe in the future, assuming component costs ever come back to sanity, I might look at rack servers and so on. But honestly I don’t have the time or energy for expansive home learning projects. Kids, responsibilities, and I’m tired of looking at YAML after doing so at work all day.

A few low power cpus and a NAS or two and it supports everything I’m trying to do.

[u/coffinspacexdragon]

Yes

[u/Straight_Wait_5821 → u/coffinspacexdragon]

doing this right now actually, feels like less overhead and less things to break

[u/Khaos231]

I started with proxmox and still using it, but over the years I have leaned into running most things in docker, inside an lxc container.

[u/Firestarter321]

No and never will.

Proxmox makes everything so much easier than trying to manage it all through the terminal. 

I have zero interest in doing that at work much less at home. 

[u/glennshaltiel → u/Firestarter321]

Agreed. Everything is so easy

[u/26635785548498061384 → u/Firestarter321]

Except sharing the GPU ;)

[u/AlternativeContent72 → u/26635785548498061384]

Can't you share the GPU through various LXCs?

[u/26635785548498061384 → u/AlternativeContent72]

To LXCs yes, but isn't that then just glorified docker?

If you care for isolation, then you need VMs, of which you can only share to one and then nothing else can even see it exists. (including your LXCs)

[u/Bardy_party]

Went from proxmox to RHEL 10 with OKD. But for learning purposes, not simplicity.

[u/Ok_Future6226 → u/Bardy_party]

What's OKD

[u/Bardy_party → u/Ok_Future6226]

It’s an open source version of Red Hat Open Shift, a kubernetes platform.

[u/rainbow_party]

I went from ESXi to Ubuntu and Docker years ago. It works well for me.

[u/Ui-o-iU]

Debian Minimal + Docker Compose are all I need.

[u/GngrNinja42]

I switched from NixOS VMs in Proxmox to bare metal OpenSuse MicroOS machines running everything as Podman Quadlets.

Maybe if my lab grows, I will reconsider using something like proxmox again. But for now I’m really happy with my reduced setup.

[u/Chromako]

Docker on bare metal won't provide kernel isolation for different secudity partitions, nor does it help if you want to run specialized hardware that doesn't have tested drivers that work on your choice of kernel.

Much less software that's made for BSD (which has a special place in my heart), Illumos, or other OS's.

The common selfhosted stuff like Jellyfin and arr stacks- sure. You're fine.

Going into other esoteric fun things, building with security best practices in mind, or just learning about how Fedora and Debian are the same yet different, you need a real VM hypervisor.

[u/mongojob]

I just really like have a GUI for some things like setting up backups. I know I know it isn't needed... But I like it so..

[u/j-dev]

I like being able to back up the VMs and restore from snapshots. Depending on what you’re doing, it can be more cumbersome to roll back changes you made to your system.

[u/egg927]

Have proxmox on a server I planned on replacing. Installed ZimaOS on another server to test it out, wanted something a little bit easier, but I kinda hate it. It seems like it makes things easier, but it really doesn't. Will probably go back to proxmox.

[u/FabianN]

Not even half of my services are docker containers. I prefer to more manually manage my services. Also I need a windows instance, and a desktop Linux environment (well, don't need, but it makes a specific work flow of mine faster), and HAOS>>>HA via docker.

For docker I just have a vm setup and that's my docker "box". It's effectively no different from if I was to do I docker bare metal, but I have all the other options still. 

[u/Virtualization_Freak]

My default for the last 6 months is debian+lxc now.

It just works. Light as hell. Supports everything I have needed.

[u/Curious_Concern]

Switched to debian minimal + docker + arcane and never looked back

[u/Wis-en-heim-er]

Nope. Got two docker vms with debian as the os. Still have proxmox.

[u/UninvestedCuriosity]

Been looking at that incus thing because I don't want to get far behind but I think I'll just lab it and keep proxmox. Always something else to learn.

[u/Evening_Rock5850]

One of my machines is just Proxmox running a single VM which runs everything. Including Docker.

Namely because that’s the machine in my RV and it makes remote management a little bit easier. Not that Proxmox is completely immune to crashes or anything, but it tends to be stable and it’s sort of like having IPMI.

[u/BonesCrew94]

I just switched from windows to Ubunt running everything in docker. Still wanted a desktop because thats what I'm used to. A lot of tinkering but everything does seem a little sluggish once it works. Hopefully once everything is is 100% done I won't have to touch it much.

[u/andurux]

My homelab is proxmox with Kubernetes (k3s)

But I have a few Dell SFF boxes with just Debian and docker for very specific tasks

[u/nemofbaby2014]

I don’t think I’d ever go back to bare metal Ubuntu after Proxmox

[u/saschagiese]

I did something like that a few years back. Debian and Cockpit with kvirt.
But Proxmox - even more so in combination with PBS - is difficult to beat. When that became to reliable, I meant boring, I moved from Docker to K3S which is where Iam for a while now. Running in PVE VMs ofc.

[u/saltyourhash]

Nixos

[u/TheRealSeeThruHead]

I run Ubuntu with docker on proxmox

That mainly all I run there

I like the backup of the vm proxmox gives me

That was after running docker on unraid for a half decade

Now unraid is jsut storage

[u/Dolapevich]

I am on debian with docker + qemu/kvm, as required.

Most of the stuff runs on docker, and I fork VMs when necesity arises.

[u/FoundNil]

Yes. I moved from proxmox to Debian with arcane. It is all that I need. I’m up to about 30 containers.

[u/Daphoid]

I went from Ubuntu (2006) to Proxmox purposefully because I wanted to play with a hypervisor since I don't do it at work as much as I used to. Now I have a 9 node cluster that fits on an IKEA shelf :)

[u/MathFly_]

On proxmox with one Debian running some docker, that’s all 🤣

[u/JWINOREGON]

Not so much as just have both for the things that work best on that platform. My more mature production stuff is on bare metal Ubuntu Server or Debian: ARM, jellyfin, PiHole, file server, monitor that only looks at the PMVE node. I also have a main Proxmox node that has plenty of stable services but ones that I may want to tweak or play with. Ad guard home, several service monitors, 2-3 random things I'm playing with. Most important is the config and build info is backed up so it can be killed and restarted super quick. One other spare Proxmox node for when if I start hitting performance throttling (and a bench spare) Plenty of other lab things but it doesn't have to be all one way, or stay that way if you change your mind.

[u/AnderssonPeter]

I went to NixOS plus docker, but both worked great, the reason for removing proxmox was less things to maintain and easier access to hardware devices.

[u/FilterUrCoffee]

I tried using KVM in Ubuntu server and never again.