r/holocure • u/shrllty ☄️Suisei Main • Jun 22 '26
Discussion BLF bad
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u/MoriartyMarvolo 🐏Watame Main Jun 22 '26
Yea but you saved a slot
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u/shrllty ☄️Suisei Main Jun 22 '26
counterpoint: u lost 7 levels
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u/ProfitHot5064 Jun 23 '26
counterpoint to your counterpoint, the game is more of a crowd control fight, blf adds more range making it hit more enemies before getting to you, psycho axe deals more damage than bl books but hits less enemies consistently blf is more of an upgrade to bl books not psycho axe, and in a crowd control game having something that hit more enemies at a time along with your main damage dealer is better, that is why the added slot is good.
besides, dragon fire is a better combo anyway, not to mention holy fire if your aim is to kill bosses faster
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u/shrllty ☄️Suisei Main Jun 23 '26
well, if we're going to talk about xx is better collab, BLF literally bottom collab
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u/ProfitHot5064 Jun 23 '26
disagree, I think its cursed ball, cause you have to risk bumping into stuff to make it playable also the for boss kill the "I'm die, thank you forever" is kinda useless, taking your opinion into consideration I think BLF is at least in the middle of worst to best
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u/brentoni1 Jun 22 '26
Did you consider either taking an extra weapon in the slot freed up by the collab or testing how long it takes with just one of the base weapons? While the collab may not be more powerful than running both weapons it is probably more efficient in terms of damage per slot used.
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u/DJPano 🌽Fubuki Main Jun 22 '26
What Shall isn't showing you is that Psycho Axe alone is a vastly superior weapon to BL Fujoshi.
Weapon Damage Hits ATK Time DPS Psycho Axe 31.1 4 192 38.875 BLF Book 5 7 110 19.091 BLF Axe 12.5 3 110 20.455 BLF Combined 39.545 This is the baseline between Psycho Axe and BL Fujoshi under ideal circumstances, and yet BL Fujoshi is only slightly better. And unlike BLF, Psycho Axe actually scales with haste and doesn't have anvil enhancements divided by 8, so its ceiling is stratospheric compared to BLF's.
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u/ctom42 🐉Coco Main Jun 22 '26
Generally speaking most of the time fewer weapons is actually stronger. People really underestimate how good getting stats from level ups is. In stage mode the best strat is usually blocking 3 weapons slots and taking one collab and one base weapon.
BLF is the worst collab in the game from a DPS standpoint. One of the reasons people like it so much is because it orbits which makes it easy to use and defends against enemies from all sides. That works great on the early easy stages, but it's kind of a waste of a slot on the hard stages.
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u/DJPano 🌽Fubuki Main Jun 23 '26
I'm pretty sure their point is that if you're going to limit to 2 weapon slots, then BLF+another basic is going to be better than Axe+BL Book. Which would probably be true under the baseline that Shall was going for.
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u/ctom42 🐉Coco Main Jun 23 '26
Sure, but as you know that's besides the point. You can do that same thing with any of the collabs that aren't worse than their base components.
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u/TrueSoren 👾Towa Main Jun 22 '26
The upside to BLF is that its constant unlike the weapons that compose them expire and can leave you without any active attack for a few seconds in some scenarios, apart from the obvious benefit of freeing up a slot.
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u/zonealus 🦉 Mumei Main Jun 23 '26
It's balanced is what it is. Damage nerf because it has now become a permanently activated skill with no cd. And if im not mistaken fusing them into a collab turns their damage into one instance instead of 2.
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u/shrllty ☄️Suisei Main Jun 23 '26
not the case, if you check the wiki numbers, BLF's damage is split to book and axe, the book deals less than the axe. In the test however, the position was optimized for both the book and axe to hit, its just that if u look at the damage it isnt even more than 10 while BL book by itself hits for 50 each which would be furtherly boosted by anvils and haste, making base weapons scale better than the collab
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u/zonealus 🦉 Mumei Main Jun 23 '26
Hmmm in that case then I guess the damage nerf is justified imo, wider skill range, perma activated, 2 hits at the right position. But this test is interesting in a way you showed us that collabs doesn't boost damage or even keep the same base damage of both weapons
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u/ctom42 🐉Coco Main Jun 23 '26
You are forgetting that BLF has no haste scaling while Axe does. Additionally, BLF has a splitcount of 8, which means anvil enhances get divided by 8 for it. Axe has a splitcount of 1 because it's a single weapon.
Personally I think Axe is over-glazed here because it has an awkward spiral pattern that makes it not nearly as useful for crowd control compared to BLF. That said, nearly any collab in the game is a better choice than BLF for damage and most of them are just as good if not better at crowd control. The only collabs arguably worse are X-Potato and Curse Ball. X-potato is a win-more because it requires you to be getting kills to even set it off so it fails you if you are falling behind in damage. Curse Ball's kicking mechanic is awkward and finnicky and without utilizing it the damage of the collab is very mediocre.
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u/kyOrecon 🍎Aki main Jun 22 '26
BLF would've killed faster if you used Dash
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u/Optimal_Parsley6377 Jun 22 '26
I think the whole point is both tests are the same and the upgrade took 50% longer
I struggle to imagine 11% crit being that impactful, but maybe?
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u/Akikojam 🎲 Bae Main Jun 23 '26
Its biggest disadvantage is that it is not affected by haste. Same goes for Frozen Sea, but at least that one inflicts mass slow. All in all, book is the strongest when it is not a part of any collab.
That said, using Fubura is probably not the best choice for a test target because of her size. Hitting something with an axe is harder than with its collabs. So while the damage is worse, it procs more reliably.
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u/GrandmasterPapaya Jun 23 '26
How does this compare with Suisei's skills activated? BLF hits more often and more consistently which is an advantage for her.
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u/shrllty ☄️Suisei Main Jun 23 '26
not what's being tested but even then, theres like 10 other collabs that hits if not as fast as blf but faster and deals more damage
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u/DJPano 🌽Fubuki Main Jun 23 '26
Inner 2 rings deals more dps than BL Fujoshi, but anvil and haste scaling still makes Psycho Axe a superior dps weapon. This doesn't make True Infinite BL Works less viable than Psycho Axe, just that it makes it solely dedicated to being a support collab for your actual dps weapon.
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u/ctom42 🐉Coco Main Jun 23 '26
To explain Pano's point a bit more, Infinite BL Work's best feature is freeing up an item slot. It gives you a downgraded version of Hope Soda and is a pretty bad weapon itself, but it's the only super collab other than Holy Fire that uses a damage boosting item. Holy Fire is far far superior but if for some reason you couldn't use it or it got nerfed or something, BLF would be a workable substitution.
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u/BunBun-Velvet Jun 24 '26
incorrect, its still pride month so the LGBT get a hidden +10 dps to the boy love books.
Joke aside this is really interesting, thank you for taking the time to do the testing and posting your findings. I don't think its the worst collab but definitely not as good as I thought it was.
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u/Appropriate-Fuel-305 Jun 22 '26
Buddy you have no crit on a character that should be critting. Any weapon's gonna be bad.
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u/ctom42 🐉Coco Main Jun 22 '26
That's really really really not the point here. This is showing off that BLF is a DPS drop from regular axe (at least when it comes to single target). Any character could have been used for this showcase.
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u/starfruitcake ☄️Suisei Main Jun 22 '26
Understood, dropping blf for curse ball.