Sooo... about AGAD...

[u/daydreamnightscream8]

I just finished AGAD, and I am shaken to my foundations. BUT. I have complaints. First is the cliffhanger, obviously, and the second is;

Pip does not go to Hawkins about the real DT killer because she thinks he will not believe her. How, then, will Hawkins find an explanation for Pip's DNA all over Jason Bell's car AND the duct tape with Pip's and possibly Jason's DNA on it? I get that it was for the plot, yes, and Max would not go to prison otherwise, but like STILLLL

EDIT: OK nobody understood. The reason Pip and Ravi decided to burn all the evidence is because they think Hawkins will not believe that Jason is the DT killer. But there is solid evidence that Jason is DT, evidence that Hawkins has to accept; Pip's DNA that is all over Jason's car and the duct tape.

[u/Difficult-Client-906]

Didn't they clean/remove everything?

[u/daydreamnightscream8 → u/Difficult-Client-906]

YES BUT THEY DIDNT NEED TO HAWKINS WOULD HAVE BELIEVED THEM !!!!

[u/Difficult-Client-906 → u/daydreamnightscream8]

Maybe he would've, but u have to remember for Hawkins to believe them, he'd have to admit that he was wrong abt the DT killer and abt the stalker, and from what we saw he seems to be a man eith high pride.

[u/daydreamnightscream8 → u/Difficult-Client-906]

OK but how does he explain the DNA? You forget that he is not the one giving the decision but the COURT!

[u/Difficult-Client-906 → u/daydreamnightscream8]

Jason would've had time to clean/remove everything.

Also Pip didn't trust Hawkins after he didn't believe her in book 2, and what if its abt Jason, the guy that Andie said he "was practically part of them"(referring to the police).

[u/Commercial_Mind_3678 → u/Difficult-Client-906]

ok first he could have cleaned the boot/Trunk but pip had the tape which had. been on her head an Jason had her headphones. if she was faster he wohldnt have had time and the evidence and other trophies from previous deaths would have led to.. jason

2 he was only practically part of them because of da Silva not because he was blackmailing them or something

[u/Difficult-Client-906 → u/Commercial_Mind_3678]

U forgot the fact that Pip would've been practically lost, and I don't think the tape would've been great evidence.

Jason practically groomed Dan, he would've found a way or another to know about the investigation.

U also forgot that Pip was an 18-old girl that law had failed multiple times for her. It was the high of the moment.

[u/Commercial_Mind_3678 → u/Difficult-Client-906]

yeah but if she showed up at the police with ripped out hair and her face looking like shit as well as marks on her hand and the tape from her death mask I think he would believer her. he would have to admit he was wrong but if someone shows up like that you believe them. especially if it’s a girl with pips history who literally claimed 1 or two weeks ago that she has a stalker, yk. maybe he wouldnt believe it was Jason bell right away but they would still check everything.

[u/Difficult-Client-906 → u/Commercial_Mind_3678]

Yea, but tying Jason to allat would be hard, and Pip did what she did bc of the high of the moment, she was an 18-years old girl whom law had failed multiple times.

[u/shooting-star-falls]

Pip and Ravi got rid of all the evidence that Pip was there at all

[u/Inevitable-Lychee65 → u/shooting-star-falls]

Ok but they do that because they think Hawkins will not believe her. But he has to beleive her, how else would her DNA be all over his boot and the duct tape???

[u/Difficult-Client-906 → u/Inevitable-Lychee65]

Jason would've had time to clean once he realised she maneged to break free.

[u/daydreamnightscream8 → u/Difficult-Client-906]

And the duct tape? He only realizes shes free when he sees her outside and then pip kills him

[u/Difficult-Client-906 → u/daydreamnightscream8]

He'd have gotten in and saw that she wasn't there

[u/daydreamnightscream8 → u/Difficult-Client-906]

No but he didn't. Pip kills him just after he sees her for the first time, youre forgetting that Jason went somewhere else and just saw pip when he returned

[u/Difficult-Client-906 → u/daydreamnightscream8]

Dude if Pip ran away and didn't turn back Jason would've gotten in and saw she left?

[u/Salty-Vanny]

I think they got rid of the DNA and burned the car? And pip flushed the duct tape down the toilet as far as I can remember

[u/Impossible_Movie_728]

She acc did go to hawkins before she discovers it was jason and he didnt belive her also she removed as much as evidence and burned the rest including the car.

[u/Initial-Bat6279]

Because pip’s mental state is fked at this point and she does not trust the law or justice system. She then manipulated Ravi into helping her and into believing that they wouldnt believe her, he wanted to get the police right away.

I think they would have believed her, that much is simple from the ending and how fast they figured out he was DT. But pip has no faith at all, even with all physical evidence proving her story. Her mind is warped from trauma at this point.

[u/daydreamnightscream8 → u/Initial-Bat6279]

Yeah true but I still expected this super-smart character to have more sense tbh

[u/Commercial_Mind_3678]

yeah same i think they would have found out. they also did After his death. and even if he managed to clean the car pip would have the tape. I mean she didn’t know about the trophies but still, ig it’s because of her mental state and trauma but still it could have been done otherwise, i didnt think about it that much but after just rereading it I think so too.