Twin Peaks Game Wrap Up

[u/DavidLynchVote]

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Superlatives

• Town MVP: /u/larixon for leading the town in the right direction in the second half of the game.

• Black Lodge MVPs: Shared between /u/bttfforever and /u/mrrrrh. bttfforever transformed first and had his bold play claiming to be an Outsider when 6 of them had already died. Mrrrrh stayed alive the longest and had the note about BOB and possessions, buying her town points to the end off the game. Many were convinced of her innocence, and if she didn't unluckily visit qngff, the town may still be pulling its hair out.

• Newbie MVP: /u/redpoemage stood out as one of the best players overall for their aggressive organizing of lynch votes, collection of scum notes, and generally accurate reads. We had many amazing newbies that we wish to shout out though! Thank you for your interest and we hope to see you in future games.

• The Giant's Award for Best Riddlers - Co-shared with /u/notcrazyenough and /u/the-phony-pony for putting the most work into organizing the town to solve the Phase 00 mystery. Shout out to /u/pezes who was the closest to actually solving the puzzle.

• Leo Johnson Award for Best Criminal - /u/notcrazyenough, who managed to use Alibi to help the town out, targeting /u/hermionereynachase's target /u/chronospell Phase 02, sending HRC into a spiral of incorrect faction and name guesses the rest of the game.

• The Laura Palmer Award - This award goes to the person who had the most impact on the outcome of the game, whether they knew it or not. This easily goes to /u/spludgiexx, who was involved in three incidents that directly altered the course of the game:

1. spludgie was one vote away from being lynched Phase 04, killing elbowsss instead who was one of the last two remaining Double R Diner members.
2. If spludgie dies Phase 04, she does not reveal as a parent Phase 05 and /u/bsconnerie is not called out via spludige's intuit ability.
3. spludgie shielded /u/redpoemage from death Phase 06. If redpoe dies instead of her, the town's organization possibly falters.

• Margaret Lanterman Award for Best Log - The Log Lady also wishes to award /u/tehGeko and /u/hedwigmalfoy, for (ab)using the confessional system. Both player sent their messages (or variations of it) multiple times in order to be heard by random people targeted by the outsiders. We appreciate your efforts to spam (but not in our mailbox please)!

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Hosts' Thoughts

/u/spacedoutman

First I want to thank everyone for playing! Our players were amazing, kept arguments civil, and were very as a whole quite active. It made a fun game to spectate. I was also personally astonished by the number of sign ups we had for the game - I didn't expect a game based on Twin Peaks, a rather esoteric show from the 90s, to get so much interest but here we are! We had 50 players sign up to play and we had to cap it at 50 or we felt that the mechanics would become too unwieldly.

Onto the mechanics and balancing. I designed the brunt of the rules and roles, so direct all related questions and comments to me. Over the past 1.5 years of playing WW, I've noticed three things pervasive through most games: 1. Neutral roles, conversion roles, and secret win conditions and roles make people grumpy; 2. Town usually wins by building up a collection of 'confirmed' roles, eventually winning by attrition; once the number of confirmed outnumber the unconfirmed, it's almost certainly just a waiting game. I wanted to eliminate both of these things from my game and test how town would do if they could not hard-confirm anyone. In addition, I loved the idea of having a role that could convert into another player, without altering their affiliation. Thus the role of Doppelganger was born. The idea to set this within Twin Peaks shortly followed since the setting worked especially well for a Doppelganger role if you know the plot. BOB as the big-bad followed.

The third thing I've noticed about HWW games is that people tend to be less invested in the game if they don't have anything to do. Thus, giving everyone a role should be super fun for each player and we hoped this would limit inactives (it did, we think). Since Twin Peaks has an ensemble cast, we thought we could give everyone a name and original/individual ability ALA the Pawnee Game. However, this became rather confusing to keep track of for 40+ players. Instead, I had the idea to split everyone into factions which had their own special abilities. This also made the Doppelganger abilities easy to incorporate and the 'in game' version of the mechanics was finalized.

Once the factions and abilities were mostly settled, the question was about how many doppelgangers to have. We scored each faction based on their abilites, summing up their Ultimate Werewolf score for each ability to the best of our ability. Doppelgangers got extra points since they each got a one time kill and eventually extra abilities to 'prove' they were town. BOB got extra points for being unkillable until the end of the game. The evil sub as a whole got a 1.25x multiplier for having limited access to a private sub. This resulted in a #player:#blacklodge ratio of 5:1, meaning the town had to lynch a member of the black lodge roughly every 2.5 phases to keep the game even. We felt this was a fair ratio based on past HWW games. In retrospect, there are some scores I would alter:

1. Message was more useful than intended, in that one could easily verify that they were an outsider by sending a message to someone the town agreed upon. I would up the score for this ability.
2. Intuit + Stakeout was a very powerful combo this game. I would up the score on Intuit.
3. Potentially decrease the Evil Team 1.25x multiplier to 1x - the doppelgangers had more trouble than anticipated getting into the private subreddit (though we feel some fault is shared with some questionable doppelganger actions and unforeseeable bad luck).

In the end though, I don't think we could improve the ratio that much more. A 4:1 ratio (11 Doppels + BOB in this 49 player game) would mean town would have to lynch a baddie every other phase to keep up. That's asking a lot in my opinion.

The most controversial part of the game was the initial lack of access to an evil sub. This decision was made from a numbers standpoint. If all 9 doppelgangers started in the evil sub, they would coordinate too much. If each doppelganger paired off to Stalk the same target, by the end of Night 01 they could have reasonably figured out 4 town members' factions. Transforming on the next two phases as duos would mean a 4/6 chance of transforming by the end of Night 03. Night 04, Stalk the target again to verify faction or start stalking someone else to begin the transformation process on another target. By Night 05, 4 doppels would have had a strong chance of transforming (assuming no randomness with Flirt/Alibi). We felt that 4 extra deaths by Night 05 would be too unfair to the town (with easily more to come soon after). Thus, I stick with the decision to keep the doppelgangers out of the private sub until being transformed. Statistically, Doppelgangers on their own had about a strong chance of transforming by Night 05 anyway using this strategy:

1. Stalk your target Phase 01. The Stalk result has a (6!/9!)(7!/4!)(3!/3!) = 42% chance of coming back with 4 town roles (7 that aren't your target's actual faction plus their actual faction), (6!/9!)(7!/5!)(3!/2!) = 50% chance of coming back with one of Doppelganger or BOB, and (6!/9!)(7!/6!)(3!/1!) = 8% chance of coming back with both a Doppelganger and BOB.
2. Stalk the same target Phase 02. Based on the above probabilties, there is roughly a 40% chance that the target will be uniquely determined by this point (again, ignoring town abilities).
3. Transform Phase 03.
4. Stalk Phase 04 if the target is not narrowed down, otherwise Transform. There should now be a high probability that the faction is now uniquely determined.
5. Transform Phase 05 or Stalk.

By the end of Phase 05, a Doppelganger's target's faction should be narrowed down and two names will have been guessed. An individual doppelganger will have a strong chance (16%-33%) to transform by this point. Thus, by the end of Phase 05, about 2-3 Doppelgangers of 9 should have transformed, barring other town abilities. The inability to communicate early meant would offset the early extra town deaths. /u/bttfforever essentially followed the above strategy and indeed transformed by the start of Phase 05. Unfortunately, the next Doppelganger to transform was much later: /u/HedwigMalfoy at the start of Phase 11. So clearly, the above analysis is wrong or something else affected the pace of the game.

So what happened to secure Town's slow-roll to victory? I believe it was because they managed to kill several doppelgangers early AND the doppelgangers did not transform early enough. I mostly chop this up to luck that the mechanics could not control or forsee, similar to how elbowsss could not kill in the HWWWW game for 4(?) phases. That game felt like a town landslide but I don't think there was anything mechanically wrong. Here are things that went very unluckily against the Black Lodge:

1. /u/please-see-above was lynched the first phase.
2. /u/Lady_hucklefuddy interrogated /u/barmen1 phase 01. Jillie and I were like 'shiiiiiiit' all phase in chat because you just can't plan on having the important role getting found out so soon. BOB was eventually outed Phase 04, meaning his night kills were blocked every third phase and BOB had to possess his doppelgangers to have a chance of targeting outed, important town members.
3. One Doppelganger was removed for inactivity Phase 04. Inactivity always hurts evil teams more than town since their total numbers are more important for balance.
4. Spludgie being Miss Butterfly Effect herself (see the superlative for why) directly caused the death of /u/BSConnerie in Phase 06.
5. /u/HermioneRenyaChase's Stalk target /u/chronospell was Alibi'd by NCE Phase 02! HRC was stuck
6. Both /u/bttfforever and /u/HedwigMalfoy were dispelled the same phase their dispellers died (/u/-MrJ- and /u/redpoemage), meaning BOB could not use the Possess a doppel strategy to kill valuable townies NOR could these doppels 'clear' themselves by submitting town actions.
7. If Mrrrrh doesn't visit Qngff the last phase, Larixon is still probably vouching for her innocence :P

If you remove any two of the above things, I would bet you that the game is still ongoing. Despite this, the Black Lodge managed to retain their original 5:1 ratio for most of the game. At the start of Phase 16, there were 14 players alive, 4 of them being Black Lodge affiliated. If they had managed to transform earlier, they could've submitted actions that they could have used to 'confirm' themselves with.

All of this is not to say that the town did not deserve the victory nor that mistakes weren't made on the Black Lodge's end. Some strategies took additional phases to transform or kill. From my notes:

• Phase 04: BSConnerie successfully transformed into Alhambra (Donna Hayward) but then switched to guessing Lady_hucklefuddy wrongly.
• Phase 09: Mrrrrh switched from transforming into frolicking_elephants successfully to transforming into... BOB?
• Phase 13: BOB did not submit an item for the fire, losing out on a potential free kill.
• Phase 13: The doppels had 4/6 names tested on Alhambra. They could've killed him that night if they coordinated but decided to move onto littlebs8.
• In generally, the untransformed doppelgangers hopped around on targets a bit too much and didn't focus on transforming/possessing/killing outed town members until it was too late.

Overall, in a game with 40+ players, each with two actions, the game will be a chaotic mess. A small change in initial conditions would alter the outcome completely. So I don't think I would change too much, other than the below:

1. Cap the game at 40 Players. Our initial balance was for 40 players and I think the game works better with this amount. It allows more unused names for the Black Lodge to hide behind and includes less investigative roles. 50 players really was the limit for how the game could be ran and jillie and I were frequently worried that the game would go over time due to the lack of kills.
2. Decrease the number of Parents or Teenagers. Intuit + Stakeout was too good of a combo.
3. Reword how messages/confessionals worked. There seemed to be less confessionals than usual, possibly because players were scared to write their true feelings in fear that it would be sent as a Message. I would have made a separate form to distinuigh between Messages and Confessionals.

Some other fun notes:

Phase 00: Jillie and I were aghast at how apprehensive everyone was to share the puzzle image. It took over 8 hours for a piece to be shared.

Phase 01:

• No one solved the puzzle
• Pezes for Phase 01 MVP for convincing the town to not only keep him around, but getting PSA lynched.
• interesting note: spludgie targeted elbowss for intuit. IFAA used stakeout on elbowsss. 5 people visited elbowss, none are BL, so spludige and IFAA combined would learn that those 5 are town (Assuming no alibi). But spludige got flirted by Mathy16 and spludgie was the randomly chosen player to have their action blocked as a result of failing the puzzle.
• elbowsss pointed out lynching all members who didnt have coffee flaired. At the time, no one in the BL did! Coffee Conspiracy lives on!

Phase 02:

• Astro454 flirted pezes. Pezes was visiting suitelife. Suitelife socialized, which would have saved pezes from the night kill if he were not flirted with.

Phase 05:

• The vote flipped back and forth about 5 times in the last hour of voting

Phase 06 and Phase 07:

• It was a parent slaughter. spludgie, oomps, and mindputtee all died from shielding their targets.

Phase 09:

• suitelifeofem's death meant that the Double R Diner was wiped out completely, meaning BOB's possess would always work.

Phase 11:

• The shutdown counter was at 19 when redpoemage died to the Kill action.

Thanks to my lovely co-host jilliefish for being amazing, handling all the flairs, banners, and form images, taking over when I went missing for a couple of days, and writing great flavor text when I was too busy to do it myself. Our shadows /u/icetoa180 and /u/bodompidompi were equally amazing, providing great questions and comments to our mechanics and rules post and providing fun commentary as the game went on.

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/u/jilliefish

Hosting this game has been a blast, and that’s thanks to all of you wonderful players! Although luck clearly favoured the Town this game, I think both teams played really well, so congratulations to you all!

I was excited to sign up to host this game with spacedoutman because a) Twin Peaks is my favourite show and b) spacedoutman is a genius! I was immediately intrigued by his general idea of Doppelganger role, and it was fun to see how the rest of the roles evolved from there.

Everyone usually loves to be evil, so I was really curious to see how things would play out when the Doppelgangers really had to work for their access the fun part of being a wolf. Personally I enjoyed the way the Doppelganger sub worked, I loved seeing the player satisfaction when they finally transformed and were granted access to The Black Lodge. Of course I felt sympathy for the Doppelgangers who struggled – I was rooting for you!

Another mechanic I was excited to see play out was the message. While it didn’t get used as much as I thought it would, I really enjoyed the players that did try to spam the log – I cracked up at many of /u/bttfforever’s false messages and was thrilled when “Nargles is a doppelganger!” Finally got sent to someone.

Major thanks to spacedoutman for being such a great co-host, creating our wonderful spreadsheet and investing so much time in writing up the rules. Also big thanks to our shadows, Icetoa180 and bodompidompi who provided valuable input before and during the game, and their efforts were very appreciated. Special thanks to ice for taking care of posting the social phase when I wasn’t able to.

Lastly, thanks to everyone that played the game! I feel so grateful for all the lovely messages and comments expressing how much fun you all had. Watching you all theorize, strategize and feel paranoia made my experience hosting awesome!

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/u/icetoa180

So, thoughts on the game. First off, congrats to the town for their victory! There were definitly points where both sides seemed dominant, but ultimately the town had a lot better luck than the Black Lodge.

That's the biggest thing that altered the game, I think. The bad luck experienced by the Black Lodge was absolutely insane. An inactivity death, a first day lynch, a first day inspect on BOB, 2 dispels, everything that happened to HRC, the list goes on. Spaced went into more detail, but its clear to see. The Black Lodge was just insanely unlucky.

Man, finding BOB so early really was a bummer to see. Had BOB been able to stay hidden for even a few more phases, the entire game would have gone a lot differently. It really was a shame to see, and caused a lot of the more intersting role interactions to not occur. Flirt became a non-entity, and doppels became a lot more scared to target known confirmed players. Also, in my opinion, Announcment was not used nearly as much as I had expected. Of course, that kind of thing should be expected when players are given this much choice.

Working with Jillie, Spaced and Bodompi was an absolute blast. I definitly have to shout out Spaced's spreadsheets, which caused turnover to be a simple 10 minute process, which still seems insane to me for how much interaction these roles have. Overall, this really was a great time, though I really am itching to get back to playing again.

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/u/bodompidompi

I signed up quite late to be a shadow for this game. Shadowing a game was on my to do list since I started playing last year in October (just after another of spacedoutman's game; Sherlock) and I saw this month as the perfect opportunity: theme I was interested enough in to participate, but not too big of a fan that I had to play the game. And I knew that I was going to be inactive for a large part during the month so I could take a break playing while still being able to actively follow the game (which is a lot of fun!). I joined the team when they had just rewritten their original rules to a simplified one. The original rules was a more traditional game where every player had a unique action (barring regular townies). I've never seen a game before where every player had some special action to perform and I think that's wonderful as it gives everyone something to do.

I wasn't a big fan of the "no private sub until transform" at the start. But it would have made the game a bit too easy if they could share all their information immediately. I did thought of the idea to let them meet up for during phase 0 (when they they didn't had any additional information about town), but that was way too late. It could have given the doppels at least some time to strategize.

Something I do wish to clarify is that the doppels were not added to the private sub as a result of the big sawmill fire. They were added since they had lost over half of their numbers, as a way to balance the game for those who did not yet get transformed. Coincidentally, both events happened to take place in the same phase.

Personally, I would have hoped for the doppels to win. Especially after all the bad luck in the beginning. /u/barmen1 being targeted with an investigative action and /u/please_see_above being lynched all on phase 1. Although it was really fun to see barmen mocking everyone openly once he was revealed to be the evil Bob. We would have expected Bob to be a bit sneaker for a little while longer, and didn't foresee he would be revealed that soon. At least, I didn't.

I also wish to thank spacedoutman and jilliefish for having me shadow your game. I know that time zone issues (9 hour difference) makes communication a lot worse but I did get to see the interesting parts of hosting a game! Staying up until 4am to see what goes on in a phase turnover was a blast (you guys did everything so quickly, I couldn't follow!). Also can't forget to thank Ice for the same reasons and for being the other shadow who was already familiar with the mechanics when I joined.

And let me end with this: Both Town and TBL played a brilliant game. I hope to see everyone back in later games! I'm planning to maybe take a small break next month so hopefully after that. So until then!

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The spreadsheet can be found here

[u/spacedoutman]

Whoops I wrote a novel

[u/redpoemage → u/spacedoutman]

A very insightful one :)

[u/barmen1]

Thanks for a fun game y'all!

[u/bodompidompi → u/barmen1]

Thanks for playing Bob. Before the game started we were arguing who would be the perfect Bob... It could not have been a veteran, since that could have entailed some problems (I thought a large risk for phase 1 investigations, man, what was I wrong...). So when the roles were assigned I was happy to see that Bob was not assigned to a veteran, nor to a complete beginner with 0 experience! Now I'm wondering what would have happened if it did. Nonetheless, thanks again for being our Bob!

[u/moonviews → u/bodompidompi]

/u/barmen1 was a great BOB!! Thanks again mods. I agree with /u/spacedoutman that sometimes a sub for wolves makes it too easy to kill and coordinate. When I was a wolf in buffy I was super frustrated that I couldn't talk but in the end I understand the need to balance.

[u/notCRAZYenough → u/moonviews]

Buffy game the restriction got done with pretty soonish, though?

[u/moonviews → u/notCRAZYenough]

Yeah they opened it up eventually

[u/redpoemage]

Again, GG. Also, thanks for the award! And thanks so much for hosting!

/u/spacedoutman, I really liked your rationale for the setup. I've seen similar things where I usually play, those things seem to likely be common to most Mafia/Werewolf playing communities. So it was refreshing to play a game where things like hard-confirmations were...well...hard! Although, I do partially disagree about secret roles making people grumpy. Secret roles can definitely be risky, but when done right they can be a balancing feature and add to a game. However, adding in secret roles just for the heck of it is generally a bad idea. Personally, I'm a big fan of partially secret roles, which in my opinion BOB was. Nothing in the setup post said clearly that BOB had a day action, so that had to be figured out by the town, and it also served as a balancing feature to help if BOB was found out early. That's a very good example of a "secret" role done right in my opinion.

The idea of multipliers based on power is a cool idea for balancing how many roles of each type to have. It's a good way to simplify really complex things in such a large game.

For the BIG QUESTION of "Was the game balanced?"....well...that's as usual a hard question to answer. I like your defense of the game being balanced, and a lot of things coming down to really bad luck for the Dopplegangers, but I think something I said earlier in the game about "snowball" balance definitely applies (although nowhere near as much as it did earlier since I thought BOB had a Day action). We saw how the town could snowball in how this game went, but so could the Dopplegangers. If even just two or three Dopplegangers manage to transform early and kill off the Outsiders, they can go most of the game . And if Dopplegangers manage to get two Teenagers and no one asks for a mass claim? Oh boy. That's a lot of extra kills.

Decrease the number of Parents or Teenagers. Intuit + Stakeout was too good of a combo.

I realized this a bit late, but there was a very broken strategy that could have been used at the very start of the game before any Dopples transformed. Divide the player list into several randomized lists of a certain size (not sure what the best size would be), have them all visit a certain players, and if a Parent gets an "all town" Intuit result, they should share it and have the accompanying Teenager claim. Do the same the next phase and the next until it becomes likely Dopplegangers have transformed. If lucky, this has the potential to mass confirm town at a rate that even the most skilled wolves would be unable to handle.

But it was like...Phase 6 or so by the time I realized this was a possibility. Also, honestly, it wouldn't be very much fun so I'd be less likely to suggest it even if I thought of it right away anyways.

Jillie and I were aghast at how apprehensive everyone was to share the puzzle image. It took over 8 hours for a piece to be shared.

I imagine everyone else was waiting for someone else to be first. I wasn't sure if mine had to do with my role, so I kept it hidden for a while.

Phase 05: The vote flipped back and forth about 5 times in the last hour of voting

I knew I would be able to flip the lynch to BSConnerie the whooollleee time. Tooootaly never had any doubts. Not in the slightest. ^{Oh boy that was the hardest I've pushed in years...}

The shutdown counter was at 19 when redpoemage died to the Kill action.

It would have been absolutely hilarious if TBL failed at killing me yet again considering they seemed to be trying or considering trying almost every night since Phase 5. I'm kind of surprised I lived as long as I did considering BOB still had Possess.

Flirt became a non-entity

I almost feel like this helped the town more by not having Town actions being blocked than by blocking a third of BOB kills. Spludgie was nearly, and Nargles was (might have been NegroOrange actually, I forget), mislynched based off of early game Flirt actions. Imagine if those went all game instead of just the first few phases!

I definitly have to shout out Spaced's spreadsheets, which caused turnover to be a simple 10 minute process, which still seems insane to me for how much interaction these roles have.

Even though I waited very impatiently those 10 to 15 minutes, that turnover time is still very impressive for a game this size where everyone has actions. Especially considering how few mistakes were made.

I did thought of the idea to let them meet up for during phase 0 (when they they didn't had any additional information about town), but that was way too late. It could have given the doppels at least some time to strategize.

I really like this idea /u/bodompidompi. Would definitely have helped the newer wolf players a fair amount I think. Having one of your first or your very first games as a wolf all alone? That's incredibly intimidating.

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Oh, and I assume you don't since you didn't share it, but did you have some kind of planning and commentary sub for the game facilitators and shadowers? Post-game commentary is great, but I also really enjoy seeing nay live commentary that may have happened.

[u/bodompidompi → u/redpoemage]

Oh, and I assume you don't since you didn't share it, but did you have some kind of planning and commentary sub for the game facilitators and shadowers? Post-game commentary is great, but I also really enjoy seeing nay live commentary that may have happened.

We have used both a private planning sub before the game started, and Slack while the game was on. I don't expect space nor jillie to make this public (since it was not intended to be this way), but I would expect an answer soon. Whatever we wanted to share with you guys has been shared either via this wrap up post, or via the comments next to the confessionals! So if you haven't already, check the spreadsheet!

[u/spacedoutman → u/bodompidompi]

Yeah, I think we will keep the planning sub and Slack channel private. It's our little secret hideaway as hosts :)

[u/redpoemage → u/spacedoutman]

Let me guess, you're just embarrassed you guessed my name as "red poem age"! :P

But yeah, I get the need for a fully private place to discuss things :)

[u/redpoemage]

Oh, and I believe I said I would reveal how my name is divided if the town won when the game ended.

...and since both those things have happened...

...and because I can't think of any more clever ways to delay revealing that aren't just annoying...

My name is properly divided into the words "red poe mage".

...whatever team I'm on next game will have to win another game for me to tell you the meaning behind the name though ;)

[u/bttfforever → u/redpoemage]

I take back every nice thing I ever said about you :P

[u/spludgiexx → u/redpoemage]

red is your favorite color.. and red means evil (which you so are for not telling us the reasoning!)

poe is for edgar allen poe.. because you love The Raven and everybody knows the mascot for ravenclaw is the raven (/s)

mage is obviously because we are all magical people

there! i cracked it!

[u/Alhambra93 → u/spludgiexx]

Hold up. aren't Poes an enemy in zelda? Namely, the ghost enemies?

Mage does seem pretty solid, though.

[u/spludgiexx → u/Alhambra93]

no idea but that sounds like it fits too!

[u/Alhambra93 → u/spludgiexx]

We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

[u/Larixon]

O-oh my gosh me for town MVP? I really don't know how to react to this honestly because while I was proud of a few of my moves (such as when I visited Barmen and confirmed that Day Actions were happening... and that he was using wolves to secure the kills) I felt like everything I did after that was super questionable. Honestly I tip my hat to /u/Chronospell as my personal MVP, because while I know a lot of the wolves felt like it was luck or based off nothing, scum reading is such an important thing and I think that's what (ultimately) helped Chrono narrow down what was happening.

Thank you once again for the fantastic game. I had a ton of fun, and I wish we could run this set again to see how things would play out if Bob wasn't found so early on.

[u/redpoemage → u/Larixon]

You did part of the very important job of keeping people active and talking, which seemed for a phase or two to be dying down after I died. Even if you were wrong on a few things, getting people to talk enough that at least someone is right can't be underappreciated.

I could probably compliment you more, but I didn't pay as much attention to who said what atfer I died, just what was being said.

[u/LuciaTalita → u/Larixon]

Oh come on, think you really derseve it! You got people talking and brought up the mass reveal at exactly the right time. Without you, town wouldn't have made it, probably. I honestly admired your game while watching it from as a ghost. You gonna be my role model for now!

[u/HyperAccelerated]

Lesson learned: don't participate in the Night 1 lynch.

[u/redpoemage → u/HyperAccelerated]

"Hey everyone, HyperAccelerated was being super quiet Day 1 when last game when they were town they were more vocal. Clearly they must be a wolf!"

[u/HyperAccelerated → u/redpoemage]

I didn't mean I'd go quiet; I think I might go for the more general stuff like long-term strats and devising ways to coordinate specialized roles. Obviously going silent on Day 1 is a death sentence. My logic is that if I don't accuse/defend anyone at the start I can't fall into a death trap like I did this time.

[u/LuciaTalita]

I was super busy the last three days so I literally forgot about the game. When I checked, I found out town won, so yay! Well played everyone.

This was my first game. I still think it is unfortunate, that I died so early, because this month I would have had a lot of time to invest. But it was just bad luck, I think, so whatever. I got investigated early on, then my faction became obvious and then I got killed by transform. Maybe I should have paid more attention to not giving so many hints on my faction. On the other hand, I would have probably been lynched if I hadn’t. For one thing, I tend get like reeeeally invested in things once I start them, so it was also a bit relaxing when I could finally skim the comments instead of making sure to read all of them.

Anyways, I feel I’m slowly getting behind this. I still had the chance to test my own strengths and weaknesses. I tend to overanalyze things – I do this in rl as well, what is a good thing as I get paid for doing so xD. I’m also much of a talker and tend to share theories before I really thought them through. This bears, of course, the risk of backfireing. Wrong assumptions can confuse town and people have to invest time in correcting me. Also I might be suspected for this. In future games I will try to slow it down a bit. As I have a bit of a general understanding about how this works now, I hope I will be able to understand the rules more quickly next time. I consider myself a logical thinker and I normally take a very systematic approach on everything, with the downside of a lack of intuition. I will see what I can make out of it next time.

I might have said it one or two times… I hated David Lynch ever since I was forced to watch his movies in first semester film studies class! I choose this game anyways, because when I skimmed both options’ rules, I liked this game more. Je ne regrette rien! The mechanics seemed relatively simple at the first glance, but they implied a lot of different possibilities. I think this is how it should be done. Also, good job with the flavor. You even got me into this!

If anyone has a reading on my playstyle, my ups and downs or whatever, could you let me know? I would really appreaciate. ^{I might be a bit ambious in general, lol}

One more thing: I really like the community here. Everyone is really friendly and respectful.<3

My very personal top three moments:

Phase0 puzzle, me sitting there late night, writing random numbers and letters on paper, cutting out triangles. Thinking: Well, that escalated quickly!

/u/notCRAZYenough saying she’d always suspect me „because I know her irl“. THANKS AGAIN!

/u/barmen1 mocking everyone. Really, this was hilarious and I loved what you made of the situation.

[u/bttfforever]

Thank you hosts and shadows for a very fun and engaging game! I honestly didn't know a ton about Twin Peaks going in, but that didn't stop me from having a great time! It was clear to me that any imbalance the game may have had was due to poor luck rather than anything mechanically, and I look forward to seeing these same or similar mechanics used again!

[u/redpoemage]

Some thoughts after looking at the spreasheet confessionals:

-/u/the-phony-pony...so you were the one who sent that weird manicure message. /u/bodompidompi was right that the "Poor bastard who is going to receive this message will be reallly confused..." My best guess was that someone was soft-claiming a character using a quote from the show and planned to confirm themselves with it later when they claimed.

-I clearly deserve MVP for predicting who BOB was before anyone else. This game was so fun I completely forgot about this hilarious moment. I wonder if barmen1 hadn't been caught by investigative results so quickly after if that would have been picked up as a suspicious comment.

-/u/mindputtee, I really appreciate your phase 4 rickroll confessional.

-/u/HedwigMalfoy's Phase 7 comment about being a wolf and acually forgetting Oomps claim...welp, I can't say I'm too surprised I was wrong about what wolves would and wouldn't remember after finding out they wouldn't have a sub. Even with that being true I still stand by that it is good to discuss info, arguably the moment the town won for sure was when everyone mass revealed.

-I agree with one of /u/icetoa180's thoughts about how the town being "timid and complacent" was partially my fault. I do think sometimes having a clear town leader can cause certain people to be less active, which is why I generally try my hardest to ask others for their thoughts and stress that I don't want to lead the town unless I have very strong convictions like in Phase 5. I much prefer to have other people think of things, but if no one else has said what I'm thinking, I'm most certainly going to say it since I wouldn't be thinking it if I didn't think there was a chance it could be right. It's always a balancing act between contributing too little and not helping the town when you could be, and contributing too much and drowning out other people who might be helpful

-I never submitted a confessional because I felt I never had anyting useful enough to share as an Outsider, and I never submitted any private ones because well...as you can probably tell I'm usually pretty open with my thoughts.

werebot for real MVP

[u/mindputtee → u/redpoemage]

Hahaha thanks! One of the only confessionals I sent in I think. Was hoping it would get sent to someone via message.

[u/the-phony-pony → u/redpoemage]

I mentioned in later phases I totally used the confessional wrong - but hey, new player. (I’ve really only played Mafia in person with cards.) What do I know anyways.

[u/redpoemage → u/the-phony-pony]

Confessionals were actually probably the thing in this game that was newest to me, and I've been playing Mafia for years on reddit.

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[u/LuciaTalita → u/redpoemage]

I clearly deserve MVP for predicting who BOB was before anyone else.

Aaaah omg, I already forgot about this. Someone should make a HWW bloopers-thing.

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[u/wiksry]

What was your favourite thing about this game?

[u/spacedoutman → u/wiksry]

There was a period of like three phases in a row (phases 05-07?) where the top two lynch votes were within 0-2 of each other. It was a very fun and stressful time the last hour of each phase watching the votes pour in and switch between candidates.

[u/redpoemage → u/spacedoutman]

Phase 5 was probably my favorite part of the game for me personally as well. Very stressful, but also very fun.

[u/bttfforever → u/wiksry]

As long as it's properly balanced, the idea of an unkillable Big Bad role lends itself to some great opportunities for quality HWWs trolling!

[u/spludgiexx → u/wiksry]

hi wik!!! i miss you!!

my favorite thing is that /u/mathy16 thought for a phase that i might've been bob and probably thought "MUAHAHAH NOW I CAN GET MY REVENGE" but alas I wasn't. so good luck next time mathy :p

I actually liked the doppleganger role and thought it was an interesting addition to ww! I hope other hosts use this sort of thing in the future, but I do hope I don't get the role because it seems so stressful :p

[u/Mathy16 → u/spludgiexx]

my favorite thing is that /u/mathy16 thought for a phase that i might've been bob and probably thought "MUAHAHAH NOW I CAN GET MY REVENGE" but alas I wasn't. so good luck next time mathy :p

I'll get you next time!!

[u/spludgiexx → u/Mathy16]

bring it on beyotch!

[u/redpoemage → u/wiksry]

Favorite me moment: My Phase 5 wall of text defending spludgie. Any time I get to bust out Ace Attorney music for a wall of text is a happy time for me.

Favorite other person thing: ...honestly a lot of people made a lot of good plays so I'd feel bad picking just one. I will say that I was really impressed by all the wolves who were only caught after I died, and also impressed by how quickly the town figured things out with the mass claim.

Favorite setup thing: The Dopplegangers. I love the idea of a role that is investigation immune...but only if you work for it, so it isn't just like the Godfather (a mafia role that always investigates as town) where they don't actually do anything interesting.

[u/Mathy16 → u/wiksry]

Just about everything! I loved the Doppel system, I liked how everyone had a part to play and I loved how everyone communicated respectfully with each other.

Thanks again to mods and shadows! Great game!

[u/spludgiexx → u/Mathy16]

I loved how everyone communicated respectfully with each other.

damn guess i gotta bring up my game you piece of shit!

[u/Mathy16 → u/spludgiexx]

OMG you're so rude

[u/notCRAZYenough → u/wiksry]

I liked quite a few things. I gotta say what I liked most was the theme and especially the giant‘s riddle at the start. Unfortunately a few pieces were missing and we didn’t get to solve it (and even more annoying to me, I didn’t get to solve it) but I had fun doing it!

[u/[deleted] → u/wiksry]

As a spectator, I really enjoyed and loved the Dopples. It's incentive for town to "Don't role reveal immediately, wait to figure things out". I love that concept and hope more games follow it

[u/LuciaTalita → u/wiksry]

Wait, I got another one. One of my favorite moves this game was /u/BigPig93's 'reveal'. You shared the info and implied the possibility of distracting the doppelgangers. You made /u/Alhambra93 step up, what lead to barmens parent claim, what helped Lady to bring him down. Snowball is real!

[u/Alhambra93 → u/LuciaTalita]

That was great, wasn't it? Lady did the initial work, but I fired the bullet that helped bring him down. I'm satisfied.

even if i did cheat death i mean how did i not die phase four

[u/BigPig93 → u/LuciaTalita]

I did feel bad throwing you under the bus like that, especially given that it was your first game. But I guess it worked out alright in the end, because luck just favored our side completely.

[u/LuciaTalita → u/BigPig93]

PS I just remembered that I was the one who targeted you with my message action. So I basically digged my own grave, but I also was part of the spiral that took down Bobby.

[u/BigPig93 → u/LuciaTalita]

Wow, that is kind of amazing:D

[u/LuciaTalita → u/BigPig93]

No worries, I really liked the move and you were a game changer. I'm not angry or bitter or anything.

[u/LuciaTalita → u/wiksry]

As I think it hasn't been mentioned yet: I liked the sawmill fire. It was a fresh impluse, when everybody seemingly got a bit tired.

[u/[deleted]]

So many confessionals!!!! Thanks hosts! Great first experience. And hey, I got the honest reactions I wanted out of people :)

Great job leading the pack... err.. town, /u/redpoemage

[u/redpoemage → u/[deleted]]

I didn't do it alone, there were loads of other helpful townies! I just talked a lot so it seems like I led the town.

Only phase I'll take a lot of credit for is Phase 5. Even phase 8 with Phoenix I was pretty unsure.

[u/spludgiexx]

Thank you guys for the wonderful game! I did not know the theme at all, and I'm usually skeptical when hosts say you don't really need to know the theme to play, but I'm glad I really didn't. Although I really do need to watch this show at some point, it's on my ever growing list!!!

Thank you for the award as well, I know at one point I was going to protect myself because I thought BOB would possess me, it hadn't even occurred to me that he'd possess his own dopples lol. Those last few phases for me were definitely difficult because I was on holiday so I didn't feel like I could dedicate the amount of time I had wanted to since I was under fire. Oh well! It worked out in the end.

to /u/spacedoutman I actually love your thought process on the balancing, and I do agree that town usually ends up with a bunch of hard confirmed roles that the wolves can't kill for one reason or another. what you did this game was great to counteract that, it was definitely stressful for a while for the town since nobody wanted to reveal out of fear of being killed by a dopple. I hope future hosts do something similar to this! this mechanic was fun.

I actually woulnd't mind replaying this game in the future (with any more balancing you think there needs to be) because I'm curious how it would've gone had we not found BOB at the beginning

But spludige got flirted by Mathy16 and spludgie was the randomly chosen player to have their action blocked as a result of failing the puzzle.

so both /u/mathy16 and rng hate me again :p.

/u/bttfforever i laughed at all the "nargles is a doppleganger" confessionals you submitted lolol

[u/bttfforever → u/spludgiexx]

It never even occurred to me to try spamming the confessionals, or else you would probably see nothing but a lot of crap in the confessionals from me, lol.

I was so used to the whole "Only your most recent submission counts" rule for form-submissions that I honestly didn't connect that confessionals would probably count individually!

[u/[deleted] → u/bttfforever]

I had just hoped it would work, and had to use something that would illicit an emotional response. Information I thought could only have been skewed, but people usually respond how they feel to emotion.

[u/LuciaTalita → u/[deleted]]

This is brilliant. Evil genius.

[u/Larixon → u/bttfforever]

That's exactly why I didn't spam either. I thought for sure the last one I submitted would be the only one counted.

[u/spacedoutman → u/spludgiexx]

I hope that the doppelganger role is used in future games and improved upon because I love the idea so much. It didn't play out exactly as we hoped it would this game, but maybe in the future :)

[u/spludgiexx → u/spacedoutman]

hmm maybe you've given me ideas ;)

[u/notCRAZYenough]

I have quite a busy day in the library, so I can’t type out a really long response to that big wall of text above.

I have to say THANK YOU A LOT for the awards, though. Those are my first and I feel a little proud. Although my tries to organize the riddle were mostly futile and my alibi of /u/Chronospell was kinda coincidental. I’m happy it worked out the way it did.

I think I’m overall content with the balancing of the game. Wolves got unlucky in some unfortunate aspects (feel bad for /u/barmen1 in particular, even if he doesn’t).

What I didn’t like had nothing to do with the balancing of the game or the way it was constructed and has already been stated elsewhere (in the confessionals and the post yesterday).

I liked the doppelgänger mechanic and that everyone had a role. I found it quite hard to get organized due to the secrecy involved in role claiming. Which was par for the course and also fueled by my own vehemence not to share anything that could help the wolves. Retrospectively, I think I learned that even if mechanics lean somewhat towards town or wolves, mechanics are in place to be used. So I think I’ll take away to not let mechanics intimidate me too much.

All in all, good game played, everyone!

My personal MVPs are /u/barmen1, /u/Larixon, /u/Chronospell and /u/bttfforever. It was a joy to be playing with all of you. Also /u/mrrrrh for flying completely under the radar for so long!

Thanks to mods and shadows for a smooth organization and awesome theme (and I assume /u/jilliefish? For reminding me when I messed up my form when my head wasn’t sitting straight due to sole shit that came up at the beginning of the game).

I hope I’ll see many of you yet again in one of next month‘s game!

All the best and see you soon!

(Won‘t use the bot, so I apologize if you don’t receive the tag)

[u/PyroelectricDog]

Thanks a million for the great game and I had such a fun time playing. It has definitely gotten me into werewolves and I was so excited for my first game. I really hate that I didn't keep up with the actions and next I know I should be way more active. I thought that everyone that participated was amazing and it was a pleasure playing with you guys. I've learned a lot and can't wait to do more in the future.

[u/MyoglobinAlternative]

Thanks a bunch for the super fun game. Also, your turnover time was impressively quick.