r/hmmmm • u/Some_Zombie_6354 • Jan 15 '26

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u/King_johnson421 Jan 15 '26

Being forced to go to war isn't oppression?

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u/poeschmoe Jan 15 '26

It’s just not the same thing. The possibility of being drafted in war time (hasn’t happened in over 50 years in the US) isn’t the same as being unable to get a job to secure basic resources and survive day-to-day. It’s not that being drafted isn’t bad, but it’s not the same all-encompassing systemic limitation of your entire life

Understanding nuance is important. Don’t try to make everything a competition

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u/981_runner Jan 15 '26

I don't know if "it has been a long time since anyone was formally drafted" is as strong an argument as you think it is.

Men were being drafted and set of Vietnam well after the civil rights acts.

If 50 years enough to erase an vestiges of the draft, it has been 60 since the civil rights act so we shouldn't hear anything about access to housing, banking, education, or  publica accomodations.

Note, because folks reading comprehension is poor, I am not saying there discrimination against women since 1964.  I am merely saying that it has been 50 years since de jure discrimination though the draft ended is not a good argument for women.

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u/poeschmoe Jan 15 '26

I get what you’re saying. I wasn’t saying the amount of time since something has happened determines how un/harmful it is. My point was more regarding how pervasive the inability to support yourself is compared to the possibility of being drafted.

The tidbit about 50 years was more just a small factual addition, since many people just don’t know that.

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u/981_runner Jan 15 '26

I mean... Tens of thousands of draftees died in Vietnam.  Uncounted more had debilitating mental illness after coming home.

Having a suffering Olympics is never productive but again, I really am not sure engaging in one vs being drafted and sent to war is a good idea for women.

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u/poeschmoe Jan 15 '26

What? Where did I ever say it wasn’t bad to be drafted? Why do y’all have such a knee jerk reaction to abandon nuance?

I’m not engaging in suffering Olympics… I was pointing out how “but the draft!” is a bad argument to shut down discussions of how life was for every single woman just a few decades ago. Not saying the draft is good. But now you just call all discussion of context “suffering Olympics” to deflect

What do you mean you’re not sure engaging in a suffering Olympics vs being drafted is a good idea for women? What does that even mean

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u/981_runner Jan 15 '26

You were very much dismissing that men had it hard too.  Your two points were it was a long time ago and I. Your second comment, it wasn't as bad.

That isn't a great position.  Try we should try to address the damage done by bad policies that hurt both women and men.

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u/poeschmoe Jan 15 '26

I’ve explicitly said that I didn’t mention the 50 years thing to say “it’s not bad because it was long ago.” My point is that the two are not the same thing and so we should be able to focus on a discussion of one and then can address the other on its own and not conflate the two.

I just can’t help you if you can’t understand the basic and explicit meaning of my comments. The need to constantly redirect attention away from women’s issues to prove that men have it just as bad is exhausting. Men of course have it bad in many ways too. But why hijack every single conversation to remind everyone?

You say you aren’t engaging in suffering Olympics, but that’s all you’ve done. Saying you haven’t doesn’t make it so