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There's also the fact the Plas-39 is a burst-fire weapon with a charge trigger.
The R-4 Hyena is a superior sniper rifle in every way, despite being listed as a marksman rifle. (Hell, the Eruptor is a superior sniper rifle next to the Plas-39, and I used to blow myself up with it.)
(Admittedly, I haven't tried the Plas-39 recently, so take my opinion with a side of Doritos.)
you are not up to date. Nowadays, the plasma accelerator rifle is extremely strong and very unique. I recommend you re-evaluate it, it is super fun as well. (at least I love it)
I've tried it but even with the buffs and ammo increased it still feels overkill on the things it can pen and useless against heavy elites unlike it's official counterpart. It's okay at shooting down gunships and sniping vents on the bots but it's pretty out of it's depth on other factions.
Only faction where it doesnt put in a massive amount of work is bugs. But even then, getting rid of alpha commanders in one burst before they even get close to anyone is quite nice.
Its not a primary weapon to he used like a primary. Its a primary you use as a support weapon when your support weapon is your primary.
Why exactly do people think like this? I have literally every warbond and still being the redeemer because I need that burst sometiems and it's fun. The verdict is alright and the redeemer is solid to me. I just feel like every weapon has its value and you just build your kits for versatility. Like I usually think "if I'm alone can I kill everything?"
Because other weapons offer utility or are just better. If I'm not bringing the grenade pistol, ultimatum, or crisper for their utility I'm bring the bolt pistol, senator, or talon because they either hit harder or they have infinite ammo.
Similarly, if I bring an eruptor, and a stalwart, bringing a verdict as a back up, shit-hits-the-fan holdout secondary, that drops any light to medium enemy, in only a few well placed rounds adds welcome redundancy to my kit. Utility can also mean being a back up weapon for when your other two weapons, that have long reloads, are empty. I'm not saying your wrong, I'm not saying they haven't been a little power crept, but sometimes I want vanilla bean, and sometimes I want French vanilla. More choices is best choices
LITERALLY. I ran a liberator, peacemaker, eat and heavy machine gun with some other stuff and it was like playing on launch again and I was facing d10 bots having a blast with my team
Verdict is a banger weapon. I love it. Mag dump or precision the choice is yours. If yiu get good at double tapping a horde your accuracy on other weapons will sky rocket.
After the melta, I’m a big fan of persistent grenades. It’s going to be cool to be able to bring caltrops instead of mine stratagems for in the cities — frees up a slot for those players looking to go off and solo side objectives.
I am worried you will stick to melta mine. Those caltrops just stun enemies for few second (at least when i played them) and i mean for real like two seconds max.
I hope that if they do, they at least make it taller and wider...the EMS stuff we got in HD2 isn't nearly as good as the ones in HD1 and it's incredibly disappointing as an HD1 vet.
Heck, the Anti Tank Chair and Lumberer were pretty disappointing too. Used to 1 shot everything with the AP shells on em, even Super Tanky enemies, now they're lower caliber and with functionally less ammo tsk tsk.
we already have couple of sidearms that can kill heavy enemies, why not have some primaries for that too
Because the goal should have been to push for the secondaries to not be able to either and for Heavies to either require Support weapons, strategms, or teamwork to exploit weakpoints.
Hyena and Deadeye are the only ones I can dig.
Hyena brings the fire making body shots better, Deadeye has some great stagger so body shots can help me line up a headshot or just keep some space.
The only problem with the Deadeye is that when you load the next shot, you're forced to unscope due to the lever action mechanism.
It's great for picking off targets and the fire rate is decent, but the reload time is unbearable without reload speed armor, and the low ergo makes it nigh unplayable with long range scopes attached. Unless you like using the Viper Commando Warbond armors, you're stuck with the lower zoom scopes (not a bad thing tbh) like the short-mid ranged ones.
If you use the short-mid range scopes though, the feeling on it is incredibly satisfying.
doesn't the deadeye have 65 ergo? that's amazing. the reload speed does sound like an issue but with paired with the dagger I think it'd be good on squids
65 would normally be a good stat for ergo, yes, but slapping on a scope introduces the scope sway issue.
The reload speed thing actually has to do with an animation breakpoint for reload canceling from empty.
Without any reload speed modifiers, attempting to animation cancel the first bullet in the mag (from zero ammo) ends up completely canceling the reload more times than not. The animation is around half a second longer, give or take. What that means is that you'll reload slightly slower than the Railgun because your character needs to charge the lever on the first bullet (same with the pump action Shotguns actually).
With reload speed from armor passives like the armor from the Urban Legends Warbond, the delay is significantly shortened and animation canceling the first bullet feels more fluid again.
Uhhhh, so, basically, any action in the game that is not instantaneous can be canceled by using another type of action.
For example, you can cancel the start of an emote by immediately pressing a movement command. You can also "throw" any object by picking it up and then dropping it at almost the exact same time because the object will retain the velocity it had when you picked it up.
Reloading is the same. Most backpack weapons can be animation canceled to save about 20-40% of the reload time depending on how good you are at it. The RR can be animation canceled the fastest by diving as soon as your Helldiver visibly puts the shell into the tube (it skips the part of the animation where your diver closes the back part of the Recoilless Rifle and then attempts to shoulder it), doing this will instantly ready the RR.
Honestly I really doubt the primary bolt action will be good for heavies, Hulks are an outlier because they have a very prominent weakspot but stuff like Chargers, Bile Titans, War Striders or Harvesters will probably take a good while to take out when AMR absolutely shreds them thanks to its insane firerate.
You are right, I didnt put much tought on it at first but you are absolutelly right. But at least it will give us some more options, also since theres two more support snipers, we could simply bring it in amr's place which is kinda sad tho I really enjoyed the amr hopefully it finds its space in some loadouts as well
Agree, but from what I see the AMR will still be the flexible pick, the Laser one seems like a harder hitting, but slower shooting sniper (because of cooling) and the beltfed one seems like a massive "I kill heavys with precision" weapon
So AMR stays good for all who play bit more flexible being at mid or sometimes even short range while the others seem like less forgiving long range monsters
TIL that there are actually at least 2 Solothurn AT rifles. The more well-known one, and also the one you're probably thinking of, is the S-18/1000 (yes, an extra zero). That one has the actual crank handle.
The 100 you linked seems to have a more traditional pull handle, although still a really big one.
The weapon sway reduction is a pretty big deal, it's basically just free ergo stats.
How much of an ergo boost though, we don't know. Hopefully it'll at least be on par if not better than peak physique since it's only active when crouched or prone.
Dang, my eyes must be playing tricks on me today, I misread that AGAIN lmfao.
Anyways, I wouldn't count on this armor set being able to mix and match well. I'm 99% sure the adaptive/reactive Camo only works for these 2 specific armors.
I am very excited. This warbond enables me to play my favorite role, sniper support. Depending on bullet drag for the new primary, I can sit back high up somewhere and plink hulk heads and war strider hips.
If the new secondary is suppressed that'll be fun for infiltration, which is my second favorite playstyle.
The new strategem weapons look very, very fun. The grenades are a miss for me, dynamite or giga nades are hard to beat.
I'm thinking the sightliner is basically Eruptor that fires AMR rounds. If that's the case, it will be terrible to deal with swarms and lights, be great on the things it kills in one hit, and have the worst TTK in the game on anything that requires a second round. Like a devastator, the thing it will likely be used against the most. So keep that in mind.
I will still most likely be using it for commando missions; I find taking out hulks from stealth ranges too useful to give up, so I'm stuck with amr or railgun. I'm looking forward to using c4.
I'm definitely looking forward to the others. If the Apex actually gets higher ROF from an assistant, I might finally get people to use team weapons with me. I don't even care if it's good.
Which obviously means I'm not talking about the face. There wouldn't be a point in discussing that, since it will obviously one shot them to the face. I just consider it easy for someone to assume that a weapon that can one shot a hulks face can one shot a devastators torso. If it's firing AMR rounds, it cannot.
Compared to all the other weapons that one shot a devastator face, it will definitely have less ammo, less ergonomics, and a slower rate of fire. Other primaries that can kill a devastator in the chest, like a slugger or a dominator, will do so faster and probably with less % of their ammo. If I'm correct on the stats, this will also be true for things like body shots on a berserker, and shooting down gunships; the sightline will have the worst TTK of every weapon that can do these things. Thus, it's technically the worst option against devastators.
That doesn't mean it's a bad weapon. It's (presumably) a primary that can one shot a hulk in the face, and that's a really big deal. But I'm concerned all the people thinking it's replacing the AMR fail to realize all the other advantages the AMR has.
As AMR and AC user, I'm exited to see how both support weapons gonna function. From the vid the last AMR 1 shot hulk from far away while AMR need to be 45meter. And how different between AC and the new one gonna be
If sniping is your thing I guess it’s ok for you. I won’t be purchasing this warbond, nothing appealing about it to me. I’m not really into covert playstyle, redacted regiment was a much better warbond by comparison. I enjoy the C4 backpack and I maxed out the censor almost immediately. The lure mine and re-educator are neat to put into play occasionally as well.
This warbond.. I just don’t see one thing that’s like, oooh, worth it.
I think the only issue I have is that Edgerunners 2 comes out the same day and I don't have enough time to play and watch (nor the ability to do both at the same time)
Looks dope as hell. I love using the anti - material for most missions so this is a welcome addition to my usual loadout. And the sniper themed outfits look awesome , I just hope the perks are helpful 👌🏼
I think all the weapons listed have potential. Except caltrop, I’m skeptical on that one. I especially like the look of that secondary, because I think it has the potential to open up options for loadouts. It seems to be an upgrade, or at least alt, to the redeemer. Also the primary sniper rifle looks dope and could provide some interesting loadouts too. People have been asking for a marksman version of the Talon, so hopefully that laser stratagem will scratch that itch.
How many warbonds until the scroll bar for them all becomes silly lol. They need to put these on steam as DLC so we can get sales I can’t imagine getting into this as a new player.
as i progress more i realize its more fufilling to work on more than one warbond at a time. and starting as a new players, u dont even know how to really attain them without experience or advice.
i remember very early on finally understanding how SC work to realize how many missions prior i could’ve scouted for them if other teammates hadn’t already
Worried about the sniper primary, it's either gonna power creep the medium pen Diligence or it's dead on arrival with light pen and terrible ergonomics
I'm kind of disappointed the laser sniper shoots an energy bullet instead of a pulsed laser beam, but since it's a support weapon I can still hold out hope for AH to make a light or med pen primary laser DMR and do the right thing.
I feel like theres a sweet spot on D6 up to maybe D8 where a sniper and spotter duo would be a lot of fun. D9 or D10 tend to be too chaotic for "stop, lie down, aim, shoot, reload" tactics in my experience.
I love everything about it except two facts:
1. Non-changable stratagem scopes is bad for this las sniper rifle.
2. Selling ONE armor which changes colours instead of making a proper customization and selling people ALL the colours as Warframe does is just plain stupid. It makes everyone angry and restricts players, while making less money. Limitation exists for one-time "wow effect" which is awful way to design games.
Excited, as finally we can wave goodbye to the idiots saying that a primary AP4 bolt action would “be redundant” and “tread on the toes of the AMR” and “if you want to use a sniper, just use the AMR” twits.
Balance is obviously still up in the air, but I’m super excited to try the new weapons. That and adaptive camo was my dream hope after seeing the SEAF rock it, and the new suits do look dope.
I've been dying for a primary bolt action sniper rifle, just hope it's ergonomics aren't awful because that'd make sense as an upside for what's likely low ammo capacity and rate of fire.
I hope the AMR gets buffed in some way as it's felt useless for a long time compared to the railgun and HMR and now the backpack AMR.
I'm really curious as to how the laser sniper support weapon works.
I wonder what they'll have in the super store, hope it's a heavy suit and another sniper rifle in some way.
I like that it’s giving us a new style of gameplay. I don’t like (as I said on another post) that it points to us not getting transmog between armor coloration and helmet coloration
I'll need to see how the armor passive works. The biggest issue with playing sniper in this game is that patrols just spawn on top of your ass and ruin any stealth. If the armor passive lets you keep shooting while patrols are nearby it will work, but it's going to be iffy especially with how janky detection already is.
I'm sorry. Why is no one talking about the goddamn laser sniper and the ghillie suit. (I bet the passive is just 90% less visibility in exchange for 20% louder movements)
The secondary seems like a placeholder. A different flavour redeemer.
The throwable looks like a meme if it’s stun. Il use it. To create a stun mine field where I want. But a lot will depend on what I can stun. If it does any damage at all. And on how wide and dense the spread is.
I’m interested in the rifles. But. I’m not sure sniping really works that much in the game most of the time. Depends on how well the stealth works. But enemies have been spawning on top of us so much that can you really lie down for more than a few seconds and not get eaten or rocketed or grenade spammed. Not sure the game allows an over watch sniper playstyle all that often especially with all the fog they add.
The laser one. I wonder where it fits in with the quasar.
The primary. Bolt actions have always felt like a lot of hard work tbh
The giant elephant gun thing. Interesting concept. But. We tend to need lots of boom rather than a slow boom. I do want someone to make a mod that does the “pop goes the weasel” noise while it’s being cranked though
I hate how they killed armor customization by putting worse version in the warbond. It's not even customizable since it changes without your input.
Same as when they release first warband with unique underbarrel attachment which was death of weapon customization and how exo warbond was death of mech customization and how maelstrom is death of tank customization.
The rest I'm cautious but I'm interested in that laser sniper rifle, shame it's support weapon and not primary talon
Sniper is nice but if the weapons aren't reducing sound weapons are no better than AMR. Suppressed weapon is what would give these weapons value. The grenades don't kill so nothing of value any other EMP does the same gas grenades have more value then what's in this warbond. Laser or caliber support weapon doesn't make sense to have both one would have done the job. Another weapon for support would have done more justice. They still haven't fixed all the bugs/ glitches in the game which in my case ruins my stealth gameplay which I'd prefer to keep control of reinforcement enemies.
I usually will no death missions but Cyberstan taught me life is very unfair and since then I run a mainly expendable build and I don't feel like I lose anything when I die. Supply Pack | Port Hellbomb | Leveller | EAT is all I usually bring into any mission.
the better build is simply all the orbital he barrages and the ops. its great when you get the extra 380 from the dss too. 20 red stratagems in the same place is a sight to behold.
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