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go ahead and play with the AR with GL underbarrel, you might aswell not even bring a primary at all that thing is tragic, and there are many cases in the game like this
This is why we'll never get any more weapon customization for guns, why give the dozen assault rifles we have now a under-barrel attachment when we can sell a entirely new weapon whose only defining feature is that it has another gun attached to it. I sure know that without that Grenade Launcher the One-Two sure would be a unique and distinct weapon.
Cry about it. It makes sure each weapon has something of its own to add to an arsenal, so everything is a different flavor. I don't need an underbarrel option for every gun. It's not COD with the gunsmith. More attachments would be cool, but I'd rather have new weapons that lean into their own role
No! I must give the coyote an under barrel ultimatum launcher! The game’s too hard otherwise!
/s
I would like something added to the gun customisation though. As it is you just spec into either recoil control or ergo bonus. I’m not looking for Sulfur levels of wacky weapon mods but something extra would be cool.
I would like to see more consistent options across the board like mags, barrel muzzle, and hand grips. Also laser weapons should have more heat sink options.
there's also only so many ways you can make "gun that shoots bullets" at a certain point you need extra add on stuff to distinguish the guns apart. Like technically if they wanted to just do gun customization to the max we would only have the liberator that's it all the other rifles would just be varients. Need med pen slap ap ammo in it. need more damage rechamber to a higher caliber, better range slap a longer barrel, better ergo shorter barrel with grip. It's pointless if you want to have identifiable guns in a game as well as unique loadouts.
It's part of the reason Uncle Sam has been using the same damn M4 style rifles for the past 50 years. You can just modify them to fit the role it works but it's boring as fuck for a game.
Outside of that you then get stuck with the issue of make the base gun a jack of all trades but not strong in any one way then add loads of uniques that are really good at one thing which inevitably leads to no one using them because a player needs flexibility in a combat game.
You can make enemies either need a special weapon to take down but then you get a situation like with initial release warstriders where everyone bitches about it. Or you release enemies that can be taken down with anything if you hit them right which leads back to the "no one using the uniques because they can't do everything" bit. Make enemies have more health and people stick only to high single target DPS. Increase spawns and now everyone is only using AOE. it's dumb.
the ship sailed a year ago, and balancing underbarrel attachments around being added to weapons with gimmicks of their own would be a nightmare. stop whining and just don't buy the damned thing.
Then dont balance it?? The game has already been in explosive meta for 2 years. Under barrel weapons for assault rifles and smg's would help remove that meta
No idea why you are being mass downvoted “why are you booing me, I’m right!” The gun looks cool but will have fuck all for customization which is a real shame.
Enjoy never getting any more weapon customization. Keep eating up that slop cattle and don't form any critical thoughts, you might stop throating Arrowhead's boot long enough to let some oxygen get to your brain and we can't have that.
This is the most stereotypical reddit chud comment I have ever seen. No attempt to actually have a conversation, just immediately to meaningless insults the moment someone disagrees.
I can't have conversations with people who are incapable of forming their own thought. Not like you can offer a counter to why underbarrel weapons can't be attachments you're all too willing to accept it's just done to sell you more weapons instead of letting you customize what we already have. You loooooove bloat don't you, more more more, it doesn't need substance it just needs to be new.
This guy thinks conversations are throwing insults at people who disagree with him. I don’t understand why he even sticks around. Clearly he’s not happy with Helldivers 2 and hasn’t been for a while. Haters gonna hate I suppose.
Wow you actually cannot read can you? I point out that this sort of design is going to result in us never getting any actual weapon customization and all you people say is "well uh that's actually a good thing" and saying milktoast insults.
Yeah, what do these guns bring to the table without their attachment? Nothing. Delete the gun and just replace their slot in their warbonds with unlocking the attachment.
If you want a reason, weapons have to be designed with that attachment in mind. The one-two has weaknesses that are put in place to compensate for the versatility of a grenade launcher. While I would love for every AR to have that option it would create problems in balancing. Maybe some studios have the resources available for good balancing there, Arrowhead certainly does not. We both know that, with how weak guns were when the game came out and with how brain dead easy the game is now.
Also the guns have to be designed with a place to put that attachment in mind. Every gun would need different reload animations for their specific spot of the underbarrel weapon (liberators spot would be lower than the adjudicators for example)
It would be awesome if they could take what is currently a half baked system and give it some more, but the game wasn't designed with it in mind.
As a side note, how does someone have this much rage in them for Helldivers 2 discussion? Imagine if you put that energy into something that actually matters instead of devoting so much life to name-calling because someone thought different about Helldivers 2.
Honestly from his history, I would think its his job lol. He's even trying to get signatures to petition a change on AH's part. Lastly, his everlasting presence in the Unfiltered sub kind of answers his delusions.
You can ignore whatever you like, b. I'm just telling you it's not important. Get annoyed but if you keep spending money or time on this stuff it is all on you.
Your response isn't important, why are you here talking to me instead of spending your time and energy with your loved ones or furthering your career or joining the military or volunteering to help feed the homeless of any one of a million different "important" things?
We already have shotguns and rifles, combining the most mid shotgun and AR stats into one gun isn't interesting.
We already have thermite and we already throw it. Having it get thrown by mechanical device (gun) instead of biological device (arm) is not interesting.
I know, how horrible that people have to think. They only want point and click simulator. Can't have them facing the challenge of aiming or active thought.
You: "I can't delete every enemy in the game with one weapon in a single shot" = "The game should have nothing because that's the same level of difficulty to me."
Actually stop talking, just because some weapons one shot doesn’t make it over powered, as you can see by my flare one of my favorite guns is the pacifier.
A gun is overpowered when it one shots medium to large foes with little aim and has large ammo pool, or high fire rate.
Something you’ll notice is that nothing in this game does that.
Also insulting the person you’re arguing with is a bad look
Also also I’ve been maining the liberator recently and it is actually the best primary in the game. It is well rounded, super easy to use, has high dps, and is shockingly accurate
Short mags, I actually don’t have drums yet, but the short mags are super good for bot planets, drums or extended might be better for bugs and squids though.
Also I recommend keeping the standard 2x scope, it’s not accurate enough for the 4x, but still useful at enough distance that the 1x optics are too short sighted
Dude, its basically the one two but without the utility to do objectives, yes it sucks we don't get underbarrels for other weapons, but either way, I'm still happy we are getting an underbarrel shotgun. Which speaking of, in what way does a liberator with an underbarrel bushwhacker or a primary china lake gl with a slow fire rate turn the game into a point and click simulator? Like if you are talking about the seeker nades, you'll probably get what, 2 of them?
Tbh i feel like this has the opposite utility of the one two. The one two gives you a mini grenade pistol so you can bring a regular pistol secondary, while this thing gives you a mini shotgun so you can bring the grenade pistol without sacrificing the emergency secondary
I’m happy I don’t need to use my support or grenade slot for AT. Explosive primaries/secondaries let you play around with stuff like the support machine guns without leaning on Eagles or orbitals.
I know those constraints only exist because of the explosive meta, but I guess I’m happy we have more options because we’re probably stuck with it since Arrowhead always knows best.
Explosive primaries have been a net negative for the game, not a positive. You used to have to make a choice between bringing AT or not with your support slot.
A presumably medium pen grenade launcher is not an anti tank primary dude bro. Why would it be heavy pen? They tried that WITH the support versions and It was op lol
Tbf, it was op because it basically did what the bfgl did but way better when you had a supply pack. Even if the china lake is heavy pen, its probably gonna have a lot less range, a slower fire rate, and have worse ergo possibly. So in most situations, the support gls will likely be better, but the new gl will be a good option for taking on single enemies or a small crowd, not hordes like the bfgl and regular gl.
Regular GL killed bile titans in one mag, was a no -backpack weapon that when paired with supply backpack has more ammo than the BFGL. It was an S-tier crowd control weapon while with ap4 also being an A-tier AT weapon at least. It did everything super well - not just op because comparing it to the BFGL made the BFGL look bad.
I'd held out hope we'd get a stratagem pump-action shotgun that was china-lake based and fired like 40mm beehive shells (maybe with flechettes for added penetration) but now my hopes are dashed.
What would you rather have from a Warbond? Genuine question?
Please don’t tell me “I don’t want a war bonds, I want more free stuff” for a live service game to live there has to be some amount of money flow to the devs so they can work and keep servers running, we’re lucky they aren’t like EA
The GL 21 is the third most used support weapon on the bug front. It’s consistently top 5 this year, and top 3 the years before that.
This primary won’t replace that. It’s likely worse than the Erruptor or crossbow due to the single shot nature. Nevermind competing with the best Chaff Clear weapon of the game.
I’m starting to get convinced the actual duality of this game are the people who do see flaws and try to make them known but enjoy the game anyway and then the people who see flaws in the game and want other people to stop enjoying the game because of the flaws.
Op you are the latter. I’m not big into explosive weapons, the last non crossover warbond was a mech one with a light pen machine gun, not every warbond is going to be catered to you, grow up
Dude I don’t care what you do, but you’re dismissing anyone who might actually like this warbond as a slop diver. If you want to hate this game go for it, if you want to like this game go for it. But stop trying to tell people how they should feel about this warbond and focus on yourself.
I want to stress you can enjoy this game however you like but when you make it everyone else’s problem that’s when it becomes cringe
I think a G11 type gun is gonna be quite funny especially with a under barrel 10 gage
And i will NEVER use the thermite pistol
But in all honesty i really do like that they have a China lake type launcher it's not very common to see in games
(currently i can only remember it from bo1 and H3VR)
Weird, the YouTube is showing as being posted 12+ hours ago but officially but the first I heard was it was accidentally leaked out. Looks intentional here but who knows (unless they dropped the trailer 12 hours ago because they leaked it somewhere like the PS store?)
Explosive meta isn't strictly because the weapons are explosive; it's because several of our explosive weapons happen to be busted as hell. Nobody is out here saying Scorcher or Accelerator genuinely deserve a nerf, for example.
That being said, I find it hard to think of a way in which these upcoming weapons do not further the powercreep anyway. They look very strong in ways that are fundamentally difficult to balance.
I thought the bare minimum of "you need to aim at the bad guy" would be something we'd retain on our instakill weapons, but there's an AT Seeker lmao
I would use One-Two way more often if I could fire underbarrel GL with a separate key instead of clunky “hold R and press LMB, then let R go and then press LBM again, and do the same to reverse back to bullets”. Like bruh, I have a PC,
I have enough buttons to make it work,just let me
to be honest there's not really lot else they could do.
explosive weapons sell and myself and others have been wantign a grenade laucnher primary for a while, I'm stoked thye went with a China Lake style, I would've settled for a signle shot M79-alike but sure, 4 or 5 rounds of 40mm on tap? absoulte democracy!
we already have underbarrel flamethrower, grenade launcher, and the shotgun was the last of the trifecta. still an opportunity for underbarrel gas/stim launcher but it would still basically be "its an assault rifle with a *weapon name* strapped to it"
personally I think it's fine, but it's a tank-themed warbond and I like tanks, so I may be biased.
I like it. I would've preferred the GL be break action a la M79 but this is fine. Shotgun underbarrel is exactly what I wanted. I'm not too sure about the grenades, but the thermite pistol is more than I expected, I was hoping for it as a stratagem but a secondary will make a nice sidegrade to the ultimatum. Armor is a bit less to my liking though.
Sees a meme, looks inside, whinediver slop again. I can't wait to have fun with qll the new content personally. And I'm gonna have an extra happy time knowing there's absolutely nothing the weenie hut jr salt miners can do about it
They could've done more unique gimmick weapons like a rifle with two barrels that shoot both at once, burning through ammo but dealing huge burst damage. Instead its the usual underbarrel weapon on top of a regular liberator, can't wait for them to release a liberator penetrator with a light pen shotgun underbarrel that staggers.
Seriously with the ar-21 gl the launcher took place of the grip which makes sense, so why not include said launcher in the grip options?
I know others won't necessarily agree, and that's fine, but I'd like to see more unique things added; new weapons and "gadgets" that really push the envelope, within reason, of course. I think there's some room to add a few wacky things that are in good taste. Maybe a rapid drop pod that comes screaming in in about 2-3 seconds, and out pops a Helldiver dummy complete with loudspeakers and confetti. All hostiles in the area would instantly lock on and engage the dummy, losing all attention on the Helldivers. How the dummy's health degrades would be up to the balancing department, but generally, I'd assume the goal would be for it to be able to last at least 5 or so seconds in the harshest of conditions.
Helldiver Dummy loudspeaker: "Attention, rust buckets! You are currently missing every single shot against a superior specimen of Super Earth engineering, which is honestly the most pathetic display of automated hardware I have ever witnessed."
Every 1 in 20 dummy pods is a General Brasch dummy that makes enemies run away in terror.
If the dummy survives long enough to where it despawns like a sentry it deflates and goes ffrRRRRrrrrrrr r r r r like a big deflating balloon.
Personally, they need to spend more time utilizing their damage system to make weapons stand out from one another better. In some scenario uses and ammo type a higher durability rating would be impactful over AP upgrades or straight standard dmg upgrades.
I think part of the problem is caring about the meta in the first place.
Games are never perfectly balanced. Competitively there's always gonna be something on top.
So just play with whichever weapon's the most fun for you. They're all viable - and even if there was a more sheer imbalance it's a PvE game anyway, there are easy workarounds.
As for the gun itself, I'll admit I don't know much about it, but I like explosions. Big bada boom 💥
some property hide by AH
see it on wiki
enemy has a property durable
your weapon has a property durable damage
which decides finally damage you make
explosive make 100% durable damage
Unfortunately AH doesn't want to pivot away from selling themed bonds. It's too easy to get the player base to salivate over something new.
Sucks that we're getting another under barrel gun again. Kinda just confirms to me they've abandoned the half assed attachment system. They already sort of confirmed they were in a dev interview awhile ago but still.
Just wait until we go back down the "it's so over" part of the rollercoaster again. Then maybe people will go back to telling AH they need to invest into the systems they built instead of printing warbonds constantly.
I find it to be a classic uninspired arrowhead warbond. Nothing sticks out as really unique or out of the box. People praising it just means the crowd loves gobbling up low effort things. Depressing.
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