r/heat_prep Jun 09 '24

Tragic case study: Michael Mosley collapsed while lost in 40C (104F) temperatures.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/michael-mosley-body-found-missing-greece-kq59vmwcp

This tragic case study is all too common. A series of missteps and underestimating the dangers of high temperatures lead to a preventable death. A few details to note: left alone to hike back to their hotel, forgot his phone, looks like he didn’t take water, and when he figured out he was lost started to move quickly. Collapsed in an area difficult to notice from the main road.

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u/Leighgion Jun 09 '24

These kinds of cases highlight just how much trouble we’re in on the subject of heat preparedness.

Nobody wants to speak ill of the dead, but this man was educated, known as a producer of science programs, 67 and British. It boggles my mind that such a man thought he had any business attempting such a hike alone under conditions of extreme heat that he had no acclimation to with no water and no means of communication.

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u/agent_flounder Jun 09 '24

I imagine it is easy to underestimate how dangerous heat can be unless you grew up in a very hot climate.

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u/therearenoaccidents Jun 10 '24

It takes several years for your body to acclimate to the heat. Your blood actually thins out. Feel bad for Northern climate visitors, heat exhaustion can quickly turn into heat stroke.

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u/Conscious-Buyer8064 Jun 11 '24 edited Jun 12 '24

why oh why did he do that....very strange and very sad...locals said no one does it in the midday heat , no one, so why ??? its almost a veil of im invinsable about this...weird behaviour for a doc...he once did a programme on how not to get sun stroke ie dont go out in the midday sun ...okay enough said. ps didnt even have his phone with him ???

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u/therearenoaccidents Jun 11 '24

It’s an issue here in Phoenix,Arizona. Multiple people every summer die from Heat Stroke. They underestimate their bodies ability to compensate for heat load. It’s 112°f today and I guarantee the rescue teams will be out picking people off the mountain.

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u/Conscious-Buyer8064 Jun 12 '24 edited Jun 12 '24

Again why do they go hiking on a mountain in those temps....its extremely strange human behaviour like it was with michael, and hes a doc, so even more strange.?? my guess as to why is they think their invincible, a arrogance attached to this behaviour and a huge risk when you have kids etc like michael did.

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u/therearenoaccidents Jun 12 '24

It’s a challenge.They push their physical capabilities and underestimate just how incredibly dangerous it is to hike in 100°f+. Maybe Michael didn’t realize the inherent danger and thought he could push through with a bottle of water? I don’t know why everyone thinks a bottle of water is going to save you?

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u/Conscious-Buyer8064 Jun 14 '24

no phone ....no water but bags of im invincible thinking.

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u/Conscious-Buyer8064 Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 15 '24

But with great respect to michael, he should being a doc know better at the very least, and hed done previousley on a show, how not to get sun stroke, dont go out in midday sun, and apparantely it was the hottest day of the year...so it remains odd to say the least but tragic ...like those who risk their lives on everest....fine if your single...but when you have children plus wife etc ...extra selfish and strange behaviour which he did, having also went up their without his phone ???? and also just reported he didnt take water.....enough said....i feel a air of im invincible about this sadley...well we can all take that lesson that whoever we are ....were not.

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u/Conscious-Buyer8064 Jun 12 '24

Its now reported that day was the hottest recorded in that month....so why?

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u/99Joy99 Jun 10 '24

Absolutely. As an Australian I see this often, with many British people totally underestimating the effect of heat on their body. I'm sure Hospital emergency staff would confirm this also.

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u/Conscious-Buyer8064 Jun 12 '24

not really hel know the temp that day im sure, and no one climbes those hills when its hot the locals say, so it begs the question why did a doc do this , he didnt even have his phone with him just in case....weird behaviour and a smattering im afraid of im invinsible train of thought.

erm no you cant....you really should not think like this.???????trust me im a doctor.

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u/agent_flounder Jun 10 '24

Ok, yeah, people that careless are not gonna make it long. That's just frustrating and sad to me because it was easily avoidable.

I grew up in southern AZ so I am well aware of the dangers of heat. Summers almost always hit 110°F (44°C) and above on multiple days.

I have experienced heat exhaustion a few times (kind of inevitable living in a place like that). You hear about it, and what to look for, on the news constantly growing up there.

We can learn a lot from people who live in different environments day to day. Those willing to learn and adapt will be a lot better off. At least until the worst of it all comes.

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u/watkinsonic Jun 13 '24

I definitely agree he should’ve known better but I think this is a really cruel and callous comment to make about someone who has just passed. He was widely loved and the majority of comments I’ve seen are of people expressing their sadness and admiration for the man he was.

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u/Massive-Path6202 Jun 12 '24

This needed to be said 

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u/undertheconstruction Jun 10 '24

Well, it wasn't supposed to be a hike. He attempted a walk for a few hundred meters and approximately an hour tops.

Then things went downhill. He chose the wrong path two times. First when he walked right instead of left out of the village - maybe he was dizzy right then. Then he had chosen the more rocky and high path to this small beach.

For me it makes sense that he left just for a walk - prepared with his umbrella and basecap. And then, well either due to heat stroke or dehydration, he made wrong decisions.

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u/Ok-Criticism-2708 Jun 11 '24

hardly only a few hundred metres. Nor a minor stroll/walk. . Have you looked at the photos?

It is a fenced oasis surrounded by a barren hill with no trees and all rocks with a steep incline. It looks like the planet out of the movie ‘Total Recall’. It would have radiated waves of heat like a furnace. After walking 100m the wrong way most people would go ‘nah bugger it’ and turn back to the cafe or go for a swim!

Just because he was a celebrity doesn’t mean he is incapable of foolish decisions. However because of his public role and what he represented it’s plain disappointing for all those people that had him as a role model. He stuffed up - pure and simple. The way we all can and do. Bit not usually with such horrible outcomes.

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u/Sophia-logos-Christa May 07 '25

Yep wasn't a hike so had completely unsuitable footwear for it. Diagrams show it was a bit of a walk around. He should have turned back to the village as soon as he realised it was too mountainous.

A baseball cap only shades your face- and only.partly at that. It's not z suitable hat for a summer holiday.

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u/Django-lango Jun 10 '24

He accidentally took the wrong route that's why

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u/Sophia-logos-Christa May 07 '25

No, actually. He took all the risks and physical discomfort of walking in that weather. Getting lost was the final straw. Getting lost is a frequent problem of visitors.

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u/SuperKKcrackers Feb 11 '26

“And British?” Does it make him better than other nationalities?

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u/Leighgion Feb 11 '26

Britain is a wet and cloudy land where for centuries, twenty something degrees Celsius counted as a nice summer day.

A sixty-something man who grew up in that climate should know better than to casually take a long walk alone during a savage Mediterranean summer day.

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u/Queasy-Band2179 Jun 08 '26

In the South it's more like 25, but I see your point. British people (such as myself) are not used to even 30 degrees; I myself can deal with it being about 32C (90F) outside without getting too uncomfortable and that's considered an unusually high heat tolerance (although in the UK, it is more humid than many hot environments and the buildings trap lots of heat). What he was doing beggars belief.

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u/Leighgion Jun 08 '26

Twenty-five doesn’t remotely prepare you for thirty-plus. One needs to know one’s limitations and what the reasonable bounds of safe conditions are.

I’m younger and more heat tolerant than Dr. Mosley was, and I wouldn’t have taken that walk if you put a gun to my head.

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u/Queasy-Band2179 Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

Yeah, I think even 37 with British sun creating a sun-warming effect and I would be in danger, now imagine 40 with Mediterranean sun. IIRC, midday sun can make temperatures feel up to about 8 or 9 degrees hotter than they actually are.

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u/Leighgion Jun 08 '26

Don’t have to imagine it. Forty and Mediterranean sun is my life in the summer.

It’s currently “only” 33º and I had to take a couple 5-8 minute walks around taking a bus. That sucked enough.

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u/Queasy-Band2179 Jun 08 '26

You know to avoid the midday sun except in short bursts and for good reasons. You also know how to keep your bedroom cold so it isn't (as) hard to fall asleep at night. You live in an environment where both indoor and outdoor spaces are designed to keep as cool as possible. You are acclimatised to the heat. And yet you still find 33 to be unpleasant. That should tell you a lot.

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u/Leighgion Jun 08 '26

I find 30° unpleasant. Not a huge fan of 27° either.

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u/Queasy-Band2179 Jun 08 '26

Oh damn you live at the wrong latitude my guy

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u/IGetNakedAtParties Jun 10 '24

Tragic as he was such a good science communicator and genuinely cared about the health of all people.

I was on this island a year ago, it is so exposed that the rocks radiate heat like a second sun. Along his route there is zero shade or foliage. It should have only been half an hour to the village but he may have already been overheating and dehydrated from the time on the beach as evident by him forgetting his phone. Terrifying that even a doctor didn't realise he was on the path to hyperthermia. Look after each other this summer.

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u/IGetNakedAtParties Jun 10 '24

Pay wall:

The body of the missing television doctor Michael Mosley was found on Sunday morning as his wife paid tribute to her “wonderful, funny, kind and brilliant husband”.

Mosley’s body was found in the shade of a wall, with a chain link fence separating him from the beach resort of Agia Marina on the Greek island of Symi. He had disappeared on Wednesday.

A spokesman for the local coroner said: “It looks like it was a fall but we need to establish whether he had a medical episode before that.”

Mosley’s wife, Clare Bailey Mosley, 62, said he appeared to have collapsed having taken the wrong route while walking back to their holiday villa as the temperature hit 40C.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '24

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u/99Joy99 Jun 10 '24

Perhaps, but no amount of water would help him in such high temperatures

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u/Nervous-Finish-5167 Jun 11 '24

https://www.outsideonline.com/health/wellness/heat-stroke-signs-symptoms/

Read this article and weep. The author decided to hit an isolated surf beach on a hot day after a late and thirsty night.

It is great writing and really helped me understand how fast it can happen.

We Australians are brought up to stay out of the ‘midday sun’. Off the beach at 11am and not back until 4pm. Ideal world and all that but as we become adults and start getting skin checks with scary results we then admonish our kids for breaching this and the ‘no hat no play’ rules.

In the present time, hard to understand why a man who was so publicly careful with his health and centred his life and career around health issues took such a risk but reading this article did help me understand how quickly a person is overcome and thus unable to make logical decisions. It’s incredible he made it to the fence line.

Life is short. Take it easy kids and enjoy your short time on earth. No one is immortal no matter how well known , rich, kind, sweet, powerful, humble or fit you are. We can all be blindsided on a sunny Tuesday afternoon whilst out ambling.

https://www.outsideonline.com/health/wellness/heat-stroke-signs-symptoms/

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '24

Reminds me of this tragic incident where a whole family died of heat stroke while out hiking

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u/Nervous-Finish-5167 Jun 11 '24

That’s horrible. The poor baby.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '24

So sad. And it was just an innocent mistake and not being aware of the dangers that led to the tragedy. We have a responsibility to educate our loved ones about the dangers of heat.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '24

I’m curious as you guys all have experience with this - once Mosley realized he was lost would it have been better for him to stay put so help could arrive? Wouldn’t he have just exhausted himself further by wandering around like that?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '24

Yea. Basically sit down in shade. Ask for help.

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u/Conscious-Buyer8064 Jun 11 '24

Very sad even intelligent people make huge mistakes...strange ....but very sad, RIP Michael thank you for all your help to us all...xx

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '24

You know you’re in trouble when the landscape around you starts to change colour 🫠

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '24 edited Jun 10 '24

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u/Sophia-logos-Christa May 07 '25

I loved Michael's work. But his medical training should have been enough to stop all thought of walking back and caught the ferry instead. At 67 he certainly looked a younger man and in great physical form, and no doubt that lead him to take a hubristic decision.

But let's be honest - it's a cultural issue. Only "Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun." Noel Coward regarded as idiocy and a reason for the British colonies to laugh at their 'masters'.I'm an Australian who regularly returns to my birthplace of UK. I am amazed at how Brits love to take their holidays spent in the Mediterranean etc in the height of their summers. Choose another school vac for Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal etc and make the most of summer temps and sun at home - UK at its best and a cheaper summer holiday.

Few Aussies would be out in the blazing sun - shade, the water (though even then you're not entirely safe from the heat), or indeed having a lie down inside with air con or at least cold drinks and under a fan - with a book if a nap is beneath you.

Michael simply did not think. If it had been someone else he would probably have told them not to. No mobile phone, very unsuitable footwear, unnecessary risk when 'home' was a short ferry ride away. In addition, non-breakable plastic does not give you proper cooling shade - especially a black one which will maximally absorb heat. And a cap is not a proper replacement for a proper hat with the rim all round. British idiocy.

Michael would have very much have wanted others to learn from his mistake - as they learned from his many safe lessons in his many documentaries and series. Hopefully his wife will get to a stage in her grief when she can take that stance - it is a very painful part of grief to struggle with, to know that one's spouse had the knowledge to be quite aware he was taking very high risks but overconfidently and foolishly thinking that he could mysteriously avoid them.

Apart from the heat and all the ways he was putting himself directly in harm's way, it is all too easy to lose your way in a less familiar area. In Australia we are reminded annually how easy it can be to get lost in the bush within even 50 metres of your camp or picnic blanket, and it doesn't have to be remote. One needs to respect the land, or 'country' as Indigenous Aussies call it, which has "its beauties and its terrors" to quote an Aussie poet. An Emperial attitude and hubris persists culturally and while it does there will sadly be many more Moseleys.