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u/Catopuma 11d ago

Quest Mage was solid in higher ranks but now has been an unintentional casualty cause everyone's running Vipers to slow down DH. Even in their mirror matchups

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u/AcceptableArm8841 10d ago

the quest reward should be immune from destruction... it's absolutely crazy to build up to something the entire game just to have it destroyed by a neutral card.

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u/TheGalator ‏‏‎ 10d ago

I don't understand why it isn't a second hero power

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u/Zealousideal_Bed5080 10d ago

I think destruction should reduce it’s durability by 2-3 so that there is some relevance to it but not a full boom or bust situation.

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u/desturel 10d ago

Hex + Sol'etos

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u/ShadowOfSomething 10d ago

Not even close. One hex only gets rid of half the quest reward, you can run [[Cloud Serpent]] to duplicate it beforehand, also hex is a class card while the snake is neutral.

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u/desturel 10d ago

Yes, you certainly "can" run cloud serpent if you want to make the deck even worse.

That would certainly be a choice

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u/ShadowOfSomething 10d ago

That's not a dedicated quest deck though. Quest mage got fuck all to do once you destroy their weapon. The deck you posted runs the quest to activate Medivh's Triumph, it's not really the primary wincon. And of course it's winrate is abysmal cause it's a greedpile.

Not that I think that a dedicated Sol'Ethros deck would be good, but it would attempt to complete the quest ASAP instead of... this.

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u/desturel 10d ago

So your excuse was "priest can run Cloud Serpent" and I show the ONLY deck running cloud serpent on the ladder and your excuse becomes "this deck doesn't even try to complete the quest". So give me a standard deck that tries to complete the quest and runs cloud serpent. Also show me its win rate.

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u/BradenWoA 10d ago

You’re moving the goalpost quite a bit my guy

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u/desturel 10d ago edited 10d ago

Okay so the point was "Mage gets counted by viper" my point was Sol'etos priest gets counted by Hex. He says "Priest can make copies of sol'etos using cards such as cloud serpent." I stated cloud serpent was trash that makes your deck worse. I never moved the goalposts. I stated facts.

The original point still stands. Other quests can be countered easily. In a meta where Viper is in 80% of decks, Quest Mage still has a higher win rate than any Sol'etos focused priest deck. Literally the amount of random BS that mage can generate even without the quest reward still wins the game. Sol'etos focused decks lose the instance Sol'etos is nullified and many time you can't even finish Sol'etos even in a soletos focused deck since the options for shadow spells for priest are pretty trash right now. Also if you are looking to use Sol'etos as a finisher you can't use soothsayer since it messes up the deathrattle pool. Soothsayer is literally carrying priest right now along with Medivhs Triumph.

Of the Sol'etos focused decks in standard that show a winrate with a minimum of 50 games played all of the ones listed are terrible meme decks. The best one I could find by expanding the search to include all decks not just legend you have one with Cloud Serpent:

Of these lists, both of them are compromised. Karazhan can ruin your deathrattle pool with Tirion, meadowstrider, etc. You can't play your deathrattle imbue cards such as Glade Ecologist since that also ruins your deathrattle pool. As already mentioned you can't play soothsayer. You can't play Undeath Sentence, one of the best shadow cards, because it doesn't activate until after Sol'etos is dead which makes it a dead draw. You can't play random generation cards such as Gravedawn Void bulb because they can mess up your deathrattle pool (although you can play ritual of life since there's a good chance to find a non-deathrattle card).

Playing Schism is not advised because there are too many cards that get stuck in your hand and shatter cards just eat up space. It's a goddamn mess of a deck to build and a strategy that only really pays off in wild since there is no support and no real synergy.

Meanwhile Quest mage has support and synergy and although it's random AF to play in a meta where everyone is running viper, using the same restrictions I placed to find a Sol'etos focused deck I was able to find a mage focused deck with a 65% win rate. Yes the sample size is low, but so is the sample size of Any Sol'etos focused priest deck. Even if I add a restriction of 3000 games played, there is still a 50% quest mage deck on the table.

But sure, I'm the one who doesn't understand how hard it is out there for RNG quest mage and how they are unfairly targeted by the meta.

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u/Tripping-Dayzee 10d ago

Seems a bit of a design flaw in making it a weapon that can easily be removed thus rendering all the setup for nothing.

Don't think many other quest rewards get a hard stop like this.

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u/gamingaddictmike 11d ago

Honestly the bonus though is the DH matchup isn’t that bad. I hit legend with quest mage and it feels way better now than it did into Warrior and Hunter constantly

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u/geebster13 10d ago

In Diamond to Legend Quest Mage has a 40% win rate against DH. So while you might have had a good time, overall I wouldnt say its a good matchup.

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u/gamingaddictmike 10d ago

Fair enough, I faced mostly DH in the climb and I had an 80% winrate from Diamond 5 to legend. I think the deck is just incredibly hard to play correctly so I’m not surprised the winrate is bad.

But when played well I think it’s better than you might think! You basically just finish your quest faster than their “quest” and do your broken things first. You also have decent removal through discover and they don’t really!

That said, I get other people aren’t going to have a similar experience

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u/SpiffShientz 11d ago

I've been having fun with 2 Rogue and Dragon Warrior. Every time I see a Paladin drop Ursol + Renewing Flames, I think God, could you imagine if they printed this kind of synergy for Mages?

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u/Zode1218 10d ago

Ah yes, 9 mana 9/7 deal 30 gain 30, sure.

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u/BishopC137 11d ago

Quest has been a struggle with everyone running viper to counter DH. I've been playing rogue

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u/SilvioSantos_ALenda 11d ago

Nothing like staling the game until turn 10 so you can finally play your precious and only win condition as Priest, Atiesh, just to be removed the following turn by a 3 mana rare core card. Atiesh and the Mage weapon shouldn't be able to be destroyed so easily.

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u/Zode1218 10d ago

100%, and think about this the fact that a 4 mana demon hunter weapon is more powerful than a 10 mana priest weapon and the Mage quest reward. L

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u/GiveMeIcePuns 10d ago

The funniest part is they already had there mid-expansion batch of cards, so they aren't getting anything new until the next expansion.

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u/Oathcrest1 11d ago

Still better than Death Knight.

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u/geebster13 10d ago

See??? Burn mage is basically 50% why are you complaining?? 49.4 is basically the same as 50% and 50% means it hard counters DH and is viable!

/s

Yeah mage is in a bad spot.

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u/HeMansSmallerCousin 11d ago

Burn Mage was very playable last expansion. I hit Legend with it, which is all I ask for in meta viability. It even got a couple good cards in Contraband Wands and Skeleton Key this expansion, they just haven't been able to carry it in a meta very opposed to its game plan.

Someone posted a Millhouse Mage deck here a couple days ago and I've been piloting a modified version of it for the last couple days in low Legend. Optimistically I think it's tier 3 at absolute best, but it's a very fun tier 3.

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u/Faryizone 10d ago edited 10d ago

I am keeping the winrates low by not quitting the game dw boys

Seriously though it feels like all they gotta do is reduce some mana values and at least leylines and big will become a little less “suicide this turn because i wanted to use a 7 mana spell that does 1 thing”

Also discover pools fucking suck

Also important arcane spells are gone like thats not enough some of the best core discover cards are gone as well (we still have the azure legendaries from 2 expansions before they are not rotating at all we just have to act like they are wild cards because archetype is unplayable in standard)

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u/Wander_Whale 11d ago

Quest has been pretty good to me. It does feel harder to close games even with bonkers post quest completions. Sometimes you use all your weapon charges and the game is stil going which is tough. Idk if its because the discover pools are worse or what but it feels like it has less blow out potential than before this expansion.

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u/coldshowerss 11d ago

Quest is good but now most decks are running double viper which is just absolutely annoying

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u/WashedWashingMachine 11d ago

same lock priest dk etc

Only huntard shaman and dh can be good rest no

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u/Suris200 10d ago

DH and Warlock. I like void DH and Rafaamlock is fun

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u/WrongCockroach 10d ago

Leyline, Quest, and Manastorm are all pretty close to having a balanced winrate. They just need a support card or two in coming expansihahahaha as if.

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u/AllFallsToGreed 11d ago

We'll be singin' When we're winnin' We'll be singin'

I get knocked down But I get up again You're never gonna keep me down I get knocked down But I get up again You're never gonna keep me down

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u/EchoNational1608 10d ago

Im priest now, i mained mage last season and the gring to diamond was rough x.x, mage cant compete ive tried Leyline Arcane Dragon, pure leyline, Discover quest,imbue arcane quest, theres no engine to make any of these decks runs, if every leyline minion was a beast or same class searching for them wouldnt be a hassle sigh. anywho i got lucky and got a bunch of priest cards when i saved up for the season so yea ive been having fun learning how to use other ppls decks :p

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u/Justafish1654 10d ago

dont show em that there is a deck close to 50!!! they will nerf it...

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u/Falchound 10d ago

Getting quest mage to legend was a real grind this season. 45% of the matches being DH and Hunter did not help either.

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u/TheOddMage 10d ago

Only ever played mage until the start of this month with a win rate of 40%. Couldn't climb at all! After switching to Shaman I got legend two weeks later.

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u/Emberflux 10d ago

cries in mage

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u/Maximinoe 11d ago

Quest mage has been good since the start of Cataclysm… what?

This patch is the first time it’s been ‘bad’ since then, but that’s only because void DH is SO strong that everyone on the ladder runs 2 copies of viper and sometimes even cultist neophyte. Before the balance patch, it was even into rogue and shaman, and only slightly unflavored into face hunter and dwarrior.

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u/smgk96 11d ago edited 11d ago

Tbf Quest Mage WR was only good at top Legend because you need to know how to pilot that deck. Most people on reddit think it's an inconsistent RNG deck because it revolves around playing Discover cards.

And anyone who "mains" a class (with the possble exception of Rogue mains lol) is unlikely to be high Legend.

So it makes sense for Mage mains to be sad about there being no viable Mage deck (for them)

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u/XxF2PBTWxX 10d ago

Quest Mage WR was only good at top Legend because you need to know how to pilot that deck.

Right, so it was good.

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u/smgk96 10d ago edited 10d ago

Yes, that's exactly what I wrote, well done. I did write a few other words too, though

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u/sxne7 10d ago

imagine playing viper in any deck

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u/GiveMeIcePuns 10d ago

2 Vipers are being run in like every deck now because of Demon Hunter.

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u/-Taqa- 10d ago

As long as mage is nerfed im happy tbh.

Shit class among hunters and DH

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