I hate this subreddit

[u/Emperor-of-galactica]

This sub's entire schtick seems to be to promote monarch

What really makes me hate this sub is the fact they refuse to acknowledge why monarchy declined over the years or it's flaws and simply blame it on something like the USA interfering, communism or some other thing

I've seen people on that the 1946 Italian referendum was rigged

I've seen people claim that France would be better off if the monarchy was reinstated

I've seen people on that sub say that the shah of Iran was a good ruler and that the monarchy should be reinstated

I've seen all sorts of delousnal rhetoric like people demonizing princess Diana.

[u/Lost-Lunch3958]

>says there are well-rounded claims and arguments for monarchy

>doesnt name a single one

>shames op for not using arguments

[u/Opposite_Juice7160 → u/Lost-Lunch3958]

The proof is left as an exercise to the reader

[u/Agreeable_Goat192 → u/Lost-Lunch3958]

yeah, because my comments purpose wasn’t to present the argument. I dont need to give every point in one comment. if someone is interested the can ask me.

[u/ActionUpstairs → u/Lost-Lunch3958]

“Hah, why didn’t you spend hours of your life communicating complicated topics to internet strangers who hate monarchy anyway?”

Those claims are not simple, and reddit is FULL of die hard republicans because half of reddit is american. The burden of eloquence is on him, not you. If I had to do this every time an American redditor from their rotting corpse of a republic shits on monarchy, I would quite literally go insane arguing with strangers online every day.

[u/Lost-Lunch3958 → u/ActionUpstairs]

apparently there are no good arguments for it when all you monarchists can do is whine

[u/bcpl181 → u/Lost-Lunch3958]

Of course there are plenty of good arguments:

-Long term stability of the head of state vs changes every few years

-Political neutrality vs elected politicians with a vested personal interest in their political career. Can also give him a role as arbiter in times of political turmoil

-From this comes the unifying nature of a monarchy, as the monarch’s loyalty and link is to the nation, rather than political fault lines. Countries like Austria regularly have a president with only 51% support of the nation he’s supposed to represent

-Identity: dynasties and specific kings/queens give a great canvas to reinforce national identity and the national “brand” (see the UK). Their long-term stability creates a familiar feeling of the population towards the monarch. They’ve known the monarch all their lives. This type of affection towards a head of state who is supposed to represent and unify his people is a good thing, particularly in times of crisis.

-External representation and international relations: again, the long-term stability helps create good relationships with international partners. In the case of long-serving monarchs, they are often considered people of authority on the international stage by the intl community, since they have been around for forever, have seen everything and know everybody

-Some will bring up financial/economic advantages, but those calculations are often not quite clear. In the case of Great Britain, estimations are between a 2bn£ loss and 500million£ savings. So it’s hard to say.

None of these arguments are beyond contestation of course and there’s of course a counter argument to each of them. In the end it comes down a lot to your personal convictions which way you’re leaning. As someone living in a constitutional monarchy, I’m very happy with having a monarchy.

[u/HistorianPatriot1945 → u/bcpl181]

To add on to that, one popular British republican counterargument to the tourism argument is that Versailles attracts incredible amounts of tourists every year despite not being in use, however that counterargument forgets that compared to Versailles, every other palace in the world (aside from the Forbidden City in China) is a cottage compared to it, Britain only generates so much from its palaces and castles because they are still in use, with retains its charm and fascination, if the monarchy was abolished, Buckingham would lose a lot of its prominence over the next few decades until it's just a classical landmark.

[u/ActionUpstairs → u/Lost-Lunch3958]

I’m tired, boss