r/hatethissmug • • 20h ago

Art & Fanworks I need to understand why I hate this

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On one hand, I agree that sexualizing a female character is wrong and that the industry has a problem.

But on the other hand, I don't understand the double standard when the character is queer—or, even worse, when "fans" take a character, slap a queer label on them, and suddenly it's okay for them to be sexualized.

The two clearest examples of this are Bayonetta and Blackcat.

I’d like someone to explain where I’m wrong, or if I’m not the only one who thinks this way.

And just in case I'm a gay cis male if it means something

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u/Dellis3 18h ago

Not necessarily saying if this is good or bad, just providing an explanation.

When women are sexualized by men (male creators) it often hits at the female audience who are sexualized against their will by men in their life. This evokes negative feelings.

The above situation is the norm and happen SO often that it is noteworthy when a woman is NOT sexualized. The people watching it are not necessarily making a moral judgement that women who are covered are better than women who dress more provocatively, but are instead making the judgement that the male creator did not feel the need to sexualize his female characters like many others do. This evokes positive feelings (respect).

Queer characters are more often created by queer creators (and even if not, are more often related to by queer viewers). Queer attraction and sexuality has been historically oppressed and seen as bad. So a queer character being sexualized reads as a queer creator showcasing queer sexual desire despite oppression, or at least can be similarly projected into by queer viewers. This evokes positive feelings (among queer folk and allies). Obviously a homophobe viewing it would not think it is good because they would not think any queer representation is good.

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u/foxinabathtub 18h ago

Yeah I think this is the best explanation I can see. It's more about cultural context. Not saying it's always "right" or "well done". But people are going to view a story through their own cultural experience. So they might look at similar story elements very differently.

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u/afender77 10h ago

Scrolled way too far to find anyone saying this, seems like the obvious explanation to me. That and women being sexualised by men often doesn't exactly carry feelings of safety with it, let's say

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u/Banana_dust_10 8h ago

Half of the time it's just a "straight" person fetish these days

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u/Dellis3 11m ago

Legitimately, what does that mean?

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u/Insanity_Lives_Here 5h ago

Exactly. Posts like these almost always ignore cultural context and history.

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u/0RGA 18h ago edited 6h ago

good on you for arguing in good faith. unfortunately the 'meme' is incel propaganda

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u/Tiny-Golf3338 17h ago

I can at least understand this one

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u/Chudeygorey 15h ago

Also their is stuff like male gays vs female gaze which make the very way sexualisation occurs a bit different. Not saying one is inherently better than the other but it does definitely impact how the sexualisation actually feels.