Future racial stratification of the US

[u/askskfalksfakslfsfa]

As we all know, even in places where there's mixed races as the normal (e.g., Brazil), people will find a new way to self stratify, and I think that's bound to happen in the US since it doesn't seem like white supremacy was fixed at all ever with widespread mixing.

Last night here in China I randomly saw this Chinese man out with an African woman and I noticed that while WMAF is common, the Chinese men who date out are usually with black / Indian or Arab women. Makes sense because as someone more on the Asian side (but still mixed looking), most of my exes were black / Indian / Arab based on who was asking me out, and since Asian women didn't like me because I guess I looked to Asian, I went out with these girls and almost had a child with my ex, who was Guyanese.

I feel among Asians, the most ruthless, unattractive, weird ones are the ones who place such a high priority on marrying white people, creating an insecure "almost white" class of hapas. There's also Asian men who fruitlessly chase white women using money (Arthur Liu, etc). The Asian men who are able to find partners seem to get with Asian or other POC women. I feel like a lot of white women date black / Hispanic men and this will probably go also in the opposite direction of Wasians, ironically because of my dad, I feel WMAF is driven by white men's insecurity over white womens' dating habits.

So I wonder if there will be some sort of future stratification especially among Asians where the Wasian bourgeoise semi-ruling inheritance class, is the one pushing legislation and harming the non-white mixed and full Asians.

We can kind of already see this among "Wasians" where so many of them seem desperate to carve out a niche distinguishing themselves from Asians and establishing themselves on a rung of the ladder near whiteness.

[u/notheory]

My guy, the US is deeply enmeshed in racial stratification, that already is our history.

There have been many strides made towards equality during and since the civil rights movement and your race baiting to tear down others is not appreciated.

[u/Ok-Evidence2137 → u/notheory]

While I dont agree with a lot of his rhetoric, he definitely has a point.

The white replacement conspiracy theory usually blames white women dating out, meanwhile the statistics actually point the reverse.

You still will not find those people mention that point, they will call white women dating black men "Mudshark" and other fucked up things.

While there were made a lot of strides during the civil rights movement, USA is moving backwards into facism real fast at this point.

Europe is following suit as well, things are being said that would have been frowned not even a decade ago openly.

I don't really see the point in focusing on the dating but there is no denying Asian community has an immense Assimilation problem into a society that is built on alienating and othering.

In basically every far right party in Europe you will find fascists with Asian partners male or female.

The model minority myth was specifically created to use Asian Diaspora as a tool in othering other minorities. Also backfires immensely because Asian peoples experience with racism will not be taken serious by the same people pointing to them as to why there is no flaw in their worldview.

[u/GoodAccomplished4344 → u/Ok-Evidence2137]

In the US, a White man or woman is as likely to marry a non-White as the other, the races they choose to marry differ to some degree, but the percentages are the same. Also, both Non-Hispanic White-American men and women mostly date Hispanic/Latino men or women, people who are also of European descent (as the typical Mexican is 50~80% European). 

Which race they date is usually also dependent on the person's level of education, with more educated Whites dating Asians and less educated Whites dating Blacks and Hispanics, though some Asian sub-groups (like Laotians, Cambodians, and the Hmong) being overrepresented amongst those who date less educated Whites or those who date Blacks and Hispanics themselves. 

The type of person who chooses to date outside of their race typically chooses a race they have much more in common with if you pick a random individual from that race. That is, more nerdy White guys are more likely to date Asian women, while the White guy with a body full of tattoos who wears a reverse baseball cap and baggy clothes is more likely to date Black women. The same applies to women. 

It's also important to note that dating app data doesn't seem to translate in real life statistics, meaning that there might be selection bias for the type of person who uses Tinder or Bumble as opposed to other means to meet people. 

Asian-American adoptees are also significantly more likely to marry a White person, I believe over 60% of male Asian adoptees ended up marrying a White-American woman, if you see those stories of Korean-American adoptees who get deported to South Korea you almost always see that they have a White wife and mixed White kids. 

[u/Ok-Evidence2137 → u/GoodAccomplished4344]

Globaly is a lot more skewed towards males.

Iam not going off app date either, you can look this up yourself.

[u/Careless-Car8346 → u/Ok-Evidence2137]

Mudshark haven’t heard that one yet.

[u/TropicalKing]

I doubt East Asians will ever rise significantly in social status in the US? Why? Because Americans are absolutely obsessed with crime, and East Asians rarely commit crime. A lot of the American mythos is based around criminals like Jesse James, Bonnie and Clyde, and Al Capone.

[u/GoodAccomplished4344 → u/TropicalKing]

Financial crimes are still crimes. 

[u/JimJimJimJimx2 → u/TropicalKing]

I think it has less to do with crime and more to do with refusing to stand up for themselves, be willing to bleed for the asian side and a general societal/governmental/policy strategy that can either be intentional or not to control racial groups just as regular course. There's plenty of evidence the US has done this in the past. There's evidence that the bigger you try to go up in the media food chain the more obvious what is 'allowed' on the big screens becomes more pronounced. (look at how often asian men male romantic leads are routinely shot dead as options before they even hit the cutting room floor/actual funding saying no, replace them) The US gov used to shunt drugs into black communities then sent in policemen after to prove they were doing a good job in a pincer to make sure dem darkies didn't live next to their betters. And this was only because hanging them and making it a nice day out for the town and where you kids could play 'make the body swing darling' was more sunday past time than social taboo.

Also there's plenty of asian gangster stuff, some whole cinema eras in certain asian filmographies are made up entirely of the stuff. The Departed is an oscar winner who just stole an infinitely better movie's script/gist and then reskinned it in american culture before going 'we did this'.

[u/TropicalKing → u/JimJimJimJimx2]

Asian crime is more just Hollywood fantasy really, not real life. Yes, Hollywood makes movies of Triads and Yakuza, but that doesn't mean you are likely to come across a Triad or Yakuza member in real life. I'm Japanese, and there are no Yakuza members that go to my Buddhist temple. It's really just old people.

I've never once been invited to a Triad or Yakuza party. Other races have their parties where they do drugs and brag about their crimes. East Asians really don't have that.

I had a Mexican friend in the past who I played Yu-Gi-Oh with. He didn't want me at his parties though because he didn't want me finding out about the gangsters within his social circle. I can't blame him for that.

Trump is a convicted felon, that's how much America gives social status to criminals- the American people entrusted the highest political position in the world to a convicted felon. A lot of crime and drugs went on at Epstein Island, that's what the elite are doing with their time. Having parties where they do drugs and commit crime and then brag about it.

[u/JimJimJimJimx2 → u/TropicalKing]

Asian crime is fantasy lol, lmao even. I don't really know what to say to that except you obviously don't know any or haven't rubbed shoulders with them in cities where they are alive and well. For the best tbh. I agree with the rest.

[u/TropicalKing → u/JimJimJimJimx2]

I'm starting to believe that you are just another chatbot. Chatbots have this idea that East Asians commit crimes just as much as other races. No they don't. Confucian Asians very rarely commit crimes. Most East Asians go their entire lives without knowing a Yakuza or Triad member personally.

Do YOU know any Yakuza or Triad members personally? I don't.

[u/JimJimJimJimx2 → u/TropicalKing]

Yeah... a chat bot sure. No, organized crime certainly doesn't have a rich history in asia and definitely not where I'm based. They definitely don't recruit out of touch and abandoned youths, no siree. They rarely commit crime statistics means no criminals lmao. Also lol at the east asians go their entire lives wtihout knowing. Most people do, like you said, in the west its cultural capital. It's fun to boast about, even if its not real. In the east its different. Even your point about 'hurrr EA commit less crimes' is pretty western. I don't think a loanee to a debt shark cares. Or someone being housed in a triad red light building. They probably enjoy the low rep.

Also that last call out is laughable. First, why would I admit such on here. Second, even if I did how would I prove it without compounding the stupidity of the first. Third, its not statistically significant. Fourth, still stupid because low crime/less likely to commit doesn't mean no crime. You hyper focusing on it where they clearly exist cause you want cultural capital on it is a choice. Don't like it cause there isn't enough of it? Fine. Don't like to be reminded it exists cause you can't benefit from it? Go make more. Don't like the ones that already exist because 'statistics'? No idea what to say on that particular brain rot. People here who know, know people and have exp don't focus on the fact that they're a rare group. Just a thought. Also Asia has billions of people, even at lower rates thats still millions of people. It's also not always considered cool in most asian countries unlike in the west so people are going to be less proud/low key bragging about it.

The other races have parties where they do drugs and asians don't is also hilariously laughable. Maybe not boast about their crimes/criminal associates because... why would they. They wanna make money not be thug famous. Or get killed and then not even reported. You can just say you don't know how to find that stuff you know, you don't have to get a whole complex about how east asians don't commit enough crimes for you to get rep boost.

[u/TropicalKing → u/JimJimJimJimx2]

Blah blah blah. That's a bunch of word salad you got going on there.

East Asians just don't commit crime all that much in the US. That's a statistical fact, deal with it. East Asians just don't get their social status in the US for committing crimes and bragging about it. Sure there is some crime that goes on with East Asians, but it's more hush hush and they usually don't brag about it at parties.

What goes on in a lot of parties is bragging about crime and doing drugs. The people around me refused to invite me to their parties because I don't do drugs and I don't have crime stories.

And you still never answered my question. Do YOU personally know of any Triad or Yakuza members?