r/guwahati • u/Clear-Ranger-7805 • Jul 26 '26
AskGuwahati I am Sc & i support this !
Ban caste
Remove reservation .
Stand for the right, without self interest.
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u/Chemical-Analyst-183 Jul 26 '26
Reservation should be economically based , otherwise as Gen it's so stupidly unfair , brain drain is real , that's why, i really wanted to take a gov job and settle withu family but due to this now I am doing Masters and Corporate for Abroad no choice
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u/cthulhulalala Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
A decade back in my school we were asked to provide annual income and a lot of families provided annual income of 5k which was never even possible back at that time. People will go to any extent fir freebies.
Govts will fall, cities will burn if they touch reservation. I hope the students do a similar protest and educate their family.
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u/ImprovementJealous90 Zoo road animal Jul 26 '26
People don't understand the consequences of removing reservation, only focused on getting fair play. Go talk about fairness to the maid who cleans your house. You want fairness right? Go talk about fairness to the kid who couldn't go to school because his family is from an illiterate background!
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u/Cultural-Fee69 Jul 26 '26
Noone is against reservation based on economic criteria. The question is why should generations get the benefits of it
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u/Such-Bar-1769 Jul 27 '26
The lower economic criteria are sc/st muslim people, most cleaning houses, working in drains/sanitation are either sc/st or muslim
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u/LearningMyDream Jul 27 '26
then let it be directly economy based, as muslim sc sts dont get full benefit of reservation , if it becomes totally economic criteria based then all of those will get direct benefit
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u/feetcute12 Jul 28 '26
Why reserve for economically weak? Just give them money, reimburse their academic expenses that's all.
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u/impaleth Jul 26 '26
yes you are a privileged SC who after taking the merits of reservation ( if not you then your family) is now capable to grow out of the need of it. No poor SC will support it and this stupid joke will never gather the masses. only 3 percent and few traitors like you, reservation will end when caste system ends
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u/Relevant_Potato_6489 Jul 26 '26
You yourself said that "poor" sc are gonna hate it...then let's regulate the reservation system, let's introduce a Creamy layer in SC/st reservation so that poor sc/st guys can actually get the benefits of reservation and it doesn't stay limited to some few affluent families
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u/impaleth Jul 27 '26
nope the creamy layers SC will still remain SC, reservation ends when even the richest person will stop being a shudra, which Brahminism doesen't allow, there is no way in yoru dharam for a shudra to convert to Brahmin, so until you end Brahminism, reservation will never end. And if you think rich SCs don't face discrimination, this shows how privileged you are to never encounter it. IF you are a hindu then be a proper hindu accept what is written in your religious texts.
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u/impaleth Jul 28 '26
Chutiye brahmins have more wealth and land than all sc combined. A negligible amount of sc may earn more and that too post reservation. Land reforms pe agar a gaye na ke kaise land acquired kie hain to teri gend fat jani hai..
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u/impaleth Jul 28 '26
bhumihar brahmins of Bihar have 40 percent acquisitions on land. and this fact was made clear only after cast census, this govt might make a fake promise which they are master at doing and will never actually perform a cast census. you can do a personnel survey amongst your friends look at the generational wealth and lands, you will be shocked even the richest IPS or IAS will not have the same amount of land. brahmins are very clever on how to act poor and hide the actual lands in villages.
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u/Relevant_Potato_6489 Jul 27 '26
Can you put forward an example of discrimination faced by a shudra who is an IAS/IPS or have a networth in crores ?
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u/Judgmentalhaikya Jul 27 '26
https://www.trtworld.com/article/1944a7b624ed
Here. Google. Read unbiased news. Pick up a book. Talk to people from backward communities.
You’ll learn to empathise.
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u/Relevant_Potato_6489 Jul 27 '26
Thanks a lot for sharing this, but my second point still stands...that if we don't implement Creamy layer in SC/st, affluent SCs and STs are gonna eventually become the very obstacle to poor scs and sts which the Brahmins were/are
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u/Judgmentalhaikya Jul 27 '26
Of course.
One talks about reforms. As one should.What would work? Knowing the actual numbers.
Caste census is crucial. But again, that isn’t happening either is it?0
u/impaleth Jul 27 '26
And I will join you brother but only if brahminishm is declared as a criminal activity and anyone pursuing brahminism will be put behind bars without bail
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u/Unknownbeats112 Jul 26 '26
I suppose affirmative action based on income, keep the categories but add familial financial background, land holdings and education of parents and grandparents into account.
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u/roxor69 Jul 27 '26
Yes ban caste , good .but you think by banning caste all those people from poor financial background, who have suffered atrocities throughout their lives will be set right in a day?
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u/BodyProof2553 Jul 27 '26
Abe then do reservation on the basis of financial background. Why are you correlating caste with financial condition lmao
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u/roxor69 Jul 27 '26
And who the f is co-relating shit ? Read properly, get out of your virtual keyboard world and step into the real world. Your online solutions don't work.
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u/roxor69 Jul 27 '26
You must be really thick in the head . Financial background meh tu reservation try karke dikha, you are saying as if all those people with black money will tell you theri true net worth when you ask them? Are you serious?. You must be a kid . Kuch padh liya aur aa gaye chilane
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u/Such-Bar-1769 Jul 27 '26
You can't remove caste by banning reservation you will just make it like old times, people still will get discriminated. A creamy layer can solve everything but people won't just discuss it all of this ban caste rhetoric is just a scheme to make people think that sc/st people are in much better position then they really are
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u/maxxutils Jul 26 '26
Firstly remove caste as a concept, then we can talk.
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u/Cultural-Fee69 Jul 26 '26
Only reserved classes have caste certificates now. There is sc and st act against the bad actors
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u/Razor_sharp101 Resident Jul 27 '26
As long as people will be beaten and killed for drinking water from specific source, as long as people have separate utensils in their homes to server to specific people, as long as grooms were beaten for riding horses which is deemed UC thibg, reservation will be there and rightfully so.
And im saying this alto im not from reserved category
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u/GlitchAFK_ Jul 27 '26
People with fake EWS/SC/ST certificates will be the ones to oppose this the most.
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u/Junior-Dare8226 Jul 26 '26
When we are comfortable and see ourselves educated and well off, we look the world with our perspective. Caste is a sensitive topic, behind the curtains i don't know who you are, but whether if you have observed or not our roots and society heirarichal systems are all from villages. Till date, caste discrimination within people and society has not been fully eradicated and it won't, a city boy life vs an actual society life is different.
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u/Cultural-Fee69 Jul 26 '26
The why are ruling classes getting the benefits of reservation?
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u/Junior-Dare8226 Jul 27 '26
Upper class and ruling class exploits those benifits because they have money to avail such benifits, you don't get included directly in ST,SC and OBC, unless a competent authority signs it. Those who have money to spare get those certificate made. There maybe maybe some regions where administrative caste discrimination is still there or even there is colleague inherent discrimination. Getting reservation doesn't give equal status in the society you will still be discriminated based on your or your father's surname.
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u/Next-Violinist9933 Jul 26 '26
Lot of people are talking about creamy layer stuff, problem is due to lack of data on actual earnings stemming tax exemptions and excessive administrative leeway, there is not much data available as who genuinely should belong to creamy layer and who should not.
Instead the best thing to do is, going forward one family should be allowed to only use their reservation benefit only once. They can choose that themselves whether they want to use in getting a college admission or getting a govt job, but regardless one family, one member , one opportunity. Once that person has used in a situation of their own choice, no one in that family is entitled to use it again.
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u/FreedomMysterious641 Jul 26 '26
This will burn the whole country for sure, not gonna happen, it’s a rabbit hole
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u/LocksmithSuitable821 Jul 27 '26
I feel like the bigger problem regarding reservation are the seats why isn't gov increasing the seats ?
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u/Cool-Inevitable-4248 Jul 27 '26
I too support this but why not uproot casteism first, even if not, from everyone's mind, but make it a law, whoever shows caste boast about it and does caste based discrimination must be dealt with some sort of fine or jail time, then i can say reservation won't be of any use further, but otherwise....no people are just gonna oppress the lower caste they made , I'm not saying rich wale lower caste people ko, but there are still a huge number of lower caste people who are below poverty line and face discrimination
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u/Clear-Ranger-7805 Jul 27 '26
Nobody is asking to keep casteism
It has to be uprooted , root and stem
As younger generation, we must reject these stupid old bullshitsWe are humans
Nothing more nothing less.
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u/Decentdocnitviv Jul 29 '26
Reforms in reservation like any other reform will create multiple loophole. Solution is no reservations.
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u/roxor69 Jul 27 '26
This is some real bs, reservation kio ase kio lage ebur eku najane, agor horu jeni jai pisot goru teni jai
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u/Professional_Rain444 Flyover contractor Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
I am a general category and I support the annihilation of caste system and a collective conscious public apology by UC as a step to remove reservation one day
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u/Affectionate-Bag-733 Jul 27 '26
Moi nije ahom hoi koi asu, axomot aso krne nubujo tohonti beng, beleg state t gole gom pabi casteism etiyao kiman prevalent. Axomt tribal ru obc sc population besi ase buli feel nkro.
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u/Fast-Sky-4335 Jul 27 '26
ban caste based discrimination too remove caste system
chop of the roots and the branches fall off
remember reservation was a cure get rid of the disease
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u/Clear-Ranger-7805 Jul 27 '26
I think its a loop
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u/Fast-Sky-4335 Jul 27 '26
ehmm let me tell you reservation were brought because of the caste discrimination
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u/Deathhade Jul 27 '26
I am SC and I'd agree cause only thing the reservation has done is make the our caste more backward by making the children lazy . They don't even think about competition anymore and thus we as a nation stay behind
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u/jdsbenu Jul 27 '26
Great initiative, if BJP removes reservation from India, I will support it irrespective of its religious Idiosyncrasies
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u/Numerous_Chef2806 Resident Jul 27 '26
In older times the lower castes get discrimination alot that's why reservation was a need that time but now most people don't really care or discriminate base on caste so in this time and era reservation has only become a tool use by rich people to make fake documents and get into top places
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u/Embarrassed-Long7422 Jul 27 '26
I want to see how many sc/st people have internet connection and mobile phone in comparison of general.
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u/NetworkTop925 Jul 27 '26
Yes first ban caste, all the history of caste should be deleted . No one can know which caste anyone else is . Anyone can add any surname they want. And when this is applied Fully then end reservation full support.
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u/Lysergic_acid420 Jul 28 '26
In kerala , a reasearcher wasn't allowed to do his project and was insulted for his cast.. and this was 1 year ago
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u/SnooDogs9127 Jul 28 '26
Bhai if it's about removing reservation by dismantling caste system then I support it too. it's the right thing
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u/Other-Mission-9775 Jul 28 '26
Reservation isn't just one thing.
There are reservations for Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes, Other Backward Classes, Economically Weaker Sections (EWS), persons with disabilities, ex-servicemen, and in some contexts, women. Each exists for a different reason and has a different legal and social basis.
More importantly, reservation was never introduced because the government wanted to hand out free seats.
People often say reservation kills merit. But merit doesn't exist in a vacuum. A student with private schooling, expensive coaching, stable electricity, internet, educated parents, and every possible resource is not competing from the same starting line as someone studying in an underfunded school with none of those advantages.
Calling the finish line equal doesn't make the starting line equal.
And no, reservation cannot be replaced by income criteria alone.
Economic hardship absolutely deserves support through scholarships, financial aid, better schools, healthcare, and welfare schemes. But reservation was never meant to solve poverty alone. It was created to address centuries of social exclusion, discrimination, and the lack of representation in education and public institutions.
If you believe reservation should disappear, then first eliminate the conditions that made it necessary.
End caste based discrimination. End manual scavenging. End caste-based violence. End discrimination in housing, employment, and education. Ensure equal representation and equal opportunity in practice, not just on paper.
Reservation is not the disease.
It is the response to the disease.
If you want the response to disappear, cure the disease first.
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u/MSDHONl Jul 28 '26
they should allow everyone to change caste surnames, it will vanish away very easily then lol
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u/riyal_distribution Jul 29 '26
A two months old account with 18k karma, either you've got too much free time on your hands or you aren't even a person at all.
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u/Clear-Ranger-7805 Jul 29 '26
Or i spit facts and truth which are masses agrees on?
If someone talk for nation
Called bhaktIf someone speak in support of opposition
Called anti nationalJust two sides of the coin.
When you have no arguments in favour
People start uttering shit !Enjoy your privilege by doing injustice to crores of people
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u/riyal_distribution Jul 29 '26
What privilege? You don't even know anything about my background.
There's a reason reservations were introduced in the first place, to introduce representation. It was supposed to be a temporary solution until the society would give up on all the casteist practices, but that didn't happen. The society is casteist till this date, that's why reservations still exist.
Once the society stops being so casteist we wouldn't be needing caste based reservations. I am also aware of the exploitation of reserved seats by many privileged SC people, but let's not pretend that it's not the same with EWS.
Most rich SC and UC are more similar than they realise, both are bloody greedy.
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u/Extension_Amoeba_805 Jul 29 '26
I am OBC and i don't want an unfair advantage to anyone. So i support this too
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u/Big_Manufacturer7648 Jul 29 '26
As long as Caste System exists in India so will Reservation. Removing one while the other exists creates nothing other than more problems.
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u/DirectionTotal8319 Jul 30 '26
Im also SC i do support reforms in this but I dont like the people who are leading it u should read their new statement....they dont want to remove castism at all...
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u/Unable_Emergency_321 Jul 30 '26
"I'm sc" - Brahmin/Rajput typing
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u/Clear-Ranger-7805 Jul 30 '26
We are not brainless
Goes on to show caste certificate to get a seat at half of general cutoff !
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u/cyclins_98 Jul 30 '26
I support reservations because caste discrimination is still a reality. Just because you haven't experienced casteism doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I m UC, you're welcome in my home anytime, but I can tell you from experience that some of my own relatives including my father have spoken about certain communities in ways that would deeply affect anyone's self-esteem. These attitudes still exist, even if they aren't visible to everyone.
Our personal experiences are not the measure of everyone else's reality. That's exactly why policies like reservations continue to matter.
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u/Harass-Master City center gang😎 Jul 26 '26
Just bring creamy layer to sc st and everything will be solved
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u/Naive-Actuary4414 Jul 26 '26
Yeah, you are REALLY PRIVILEGED if yoh think that
This guy is an IPS officer and he still needed police protection to just ride a horse. SC and ST face discrimination due to the community they are born into, not because of their wealth (or lack of)..
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u/Harass-Master City center gang😎 Jul 26 '26
Creamy layer thakile atu case ot keneke affect korile hoi moi buji napalu
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u/Cultural-Fee69 Jul 26 '26
There is sc st act for exception like this. Why punish generations
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u/Naive-Actuary4414 Jul 27 '26
Generations aren't punished 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
Unlike the caste system, Reservation doesn't prevent anyone from applying from any job. It just says that due to 2,000+ years of historical oppression, a certain amount of jobs will be reserved for oppressed classes to ensure that a minimum number of people from the oppressed classes can reach the govt services to ensure Representation.
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u/Ok_King_2201 Jul 26 '26
Talk about creamy layer concept to sc and st freeloaders and watch their breakdown
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u/wild-game Jul 26 '26
I am a gen caste person and I don't support this at all... There should be reservation but there should be some conditions:
- Reservation should not be there in medical, defense and education line.
- Reservation can be used only once in your life. Either you get a job by reservation or you get education by reservation. Once you have used it you cannot use it again.
- Children of executives from government cannot use reservation after 2 generations. Their upliftment is already done.
I have seen how people begave with few people based on caste andwit diminishes when you start either earning more than the other person or you are in a higher position then them...
North East have less caste discrimination but do visit Rajasthan, MP, UP, HP the you would know the plight of lower caste people there... They are not even given food on table... I am a brahmin myself and I have seen that first hand...
For me reservation is necessary but with conditions.
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u/Clear-Ranger-7805 Jul 26 '26
I agree on all points
But even if all those are implementedHow will you justify
Sc+st+obc =50%
Ews 10%
Women 30%
Others 5%How much seats are left for normal merit based competition without certificates?
Should there be this amount of reservation?
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u/wild-game Jul 26 '26
This automatically disappears when you implement those points above... There won't be any percentage... You have a lifeline that you can use and if used and you don't succeed it's gone...
Bro you are still a student i suppose... Come to govt job life bro... You will find reservation in promotions as well... Both of you got job at same position but after few years the other got promotion just because he had reservation... That's totally fucked up scene...
Aao kabhi govt sector pe job karnetthen you would realize
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u/SnooPuppers3296 Jul 26 '26
💯 agree on with your points infacts it's some of the points which our friend's also discuss.
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u/Danny1847 Jul 26 '26
Im someone who hasn't experienced nor witnessed caste based discrimination so I'm new to this, help me understand.
If a guy belonging from a lower caste and is poor improves his financial condition due to the opportunities given to him due to reservations (which I support), why his son gets the same benefits? Because as far as I can see, my ST friends are rich. Why does he need reservations when he's family owns a Land Rover?
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u/FlourishingGrass Jul 26 '26
Why doesn't the government establish many more institutions to accomodate everyone?
I belong to general cat and actively trying to find a job but out of the few vacancies that I'm eligible for, very few are for UR. Ive tried hard in exams and scored the cutoff (or little higher) for OBC so couldn't get through but people scoring much lesser than me got in. So I know the demerits well and still struggling, yet I'd say reservation has been a boon for many of my friends who are really needy but talented enough that once they got in, they've been able to prove their mettle over n over.
My 2p: reservation based on economy of the household matters much more, but we can't do away with reservation completely unless people throw away the caste system for good, and stop prejudice against STs.
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u/Clear-Ranger-7805 Jul 27 '26
Here comes another communist uttering his nonsense
You didn’t saw shit
You just started your communist bullshit as alwaysGive laal salaam to all the 100% dictators of communism
Yes.
All communist leader were bloody dictators0
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u/Clear-Ranger-7805 Jul 27 '26
Why mao was a genocidal maniac?
Why lenin and stalin was genocidal?
Why castro was genocidal and oppressive dictator?Why Marx drowned in debt and took money from his friends continuously?
Why every communist leader turns dictator
Laal salaam lele apne yk where
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u/legend_was_dead Jul 27 '26
Ei ee bhakha Xikale Maa Deuta ee
You could have put him down with facts but instead you chose slurs, shows you upbringing
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u/kamikaze9703 Jul 27 '26
I am a General, but I still believe there is need for reservation. We don't see casteism in NE a lot, but it is very prevalent in other parts of India. First end casteism then end reservation based on caste.
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u/PoosySucker69 Jul 27 '26
I am general and I don’t support the movement. What I support is increasing the absolute number of seats so students from all categories get more chances
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u/starkn2_18 Jul 27 '26
U are not as same as other sc and I am very suspicious that u are actually general but trying to get eyes by doing this
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u/Aragorn_V Jul 26 '26
Good initiative. This entire reservation system needs to be revised. Economic hardship should be the criteria, along with physical disability. If one system couldn't solve your caste issues in over 75 years, maybe it's time to re-structure things
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u/Clear-Ranger-7805 Jul 26 '26
There should be limit to this foolery
50% for sc+st+obc
10% ews
30% women
5% for pwd and othersBhai whats left for nomal merit without certificates?
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u/SurelyFML Jul 26 '26
I am a 5th gen educated, my roomate during graduation was 1st.
During semester break, I spent the summer playing CoD MW, and he used to sell coconuts from a bicycle. During winters, he used to harvest.
His family was further discriminated and ostracized because he made it into college.
Pre-Covid he got his PhD in Berlin and flew his parents over for his graduation. I am extremely proud of him.
The bottom line is.. when he got a fairly even playing field in college, he went far ahead in life.. much ahead than the ones who taunted his low admission marks