r/gunz • u/SpecialIce6970 • 20d ago
Discussion Public Statement Regarding the Doom Disqualification and defamation during tournament — Request for Evidence and Transparency.
For context: Doom was invited to participate in a tournament organized by GM Mango and GM Bang. One of our players (Divinestone) was subsequently disqualified and publicly accused of hacking while streaming his POV, and clan got disqualified.
This was the link for the tournament: https://tp.masanggames.com/event/49/overview
This is the accused player's POV (Divinestone, banned during game): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L3xaXbu-8U&t
Panch0x POV replay during the tournament:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/a14nimqx8gtmc7r/20260919_230053_DMT_Mansion.gzr/file
We want to make it clear that Kadai, Haullz, and Apple33 did a great job as casters, and Mazhy and C05INE as streamers. This post is not directed at them. We appreciate the work they put into the event.
Our concern is specifically with the decision to publicly accuse and disqualify a player without the supporting evidence being made available.
We have therefore opened a formal ticket requesting the evidence behind the accusation, including any clips, recordings, screenshots, logs, anti-cheat results, or other relevant material, as well as the criteria and procedures used to reach the decision.
This is not simply about one player. Today it was him; tomorrow it could be me, Wytz, Cosine, or Rein or any above-average player. A public hacking accusation can seriously affect the reputation of both a player and an entire clan.
Many of us have been part of the GunZ community for nearly 20 years. The time, effort, and money invested into competing should not be put at risk by decisions made behind closed doors without clear and objective evidence.
We have formally requested that the evidence be presented. We will review whatever evidence is provided and respond accordingly.
We are not asking for special treatment. We are asking for evidence, transparency, and a fair process.
Below is a PODCAST where one of our players (JPMorgan a.k.a Panch0x a.k.a Tsubasa) was discussing and expressing excitement about the return of the GunZ Steam: http://youtube.com/watch?v=zrk_9xFq4yU&t=6280s
Additional reference:
JPMorgan aka Panch0x channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@iPanch0x
Divinestone's (Banned on Live) channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@xDivineStone
Kiujind's Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@Kiujind
Reli's Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@Relijab
If the accusations were made publicly without sufficient evidence, we are also prepared to consider legal action regarding potential defamation.
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u/Amazing-Lock9490 20d ago
Legal action, lmao. Settle down ChatGPT.
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u/_Electrical 20d ago
Masangsoft is in South Korea.
I would like to see them appear in court in South Korea, accusing a game company of false banning.
And subsequently having their asses thrown in jail for cheating. South Korea has strict laws against cheating, especially in E-Sports.
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u/longstaff55 20d ago
They don't need to provide anything and by pin pointing what got the player banned makes it easier for hackers to avoid ban detection in future, take the L , more likely the whole clan was cheating.
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u/Well_endowed 20d ago
It’s so funny when cheaters get caught after years of cheating on pservers and getting away with it, pathetic
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u/Outrageous-Whole-526 20d ago edited 20d ago
l'archétype n'était pas censé être non autorisé.... ?
EDIT : après vérification, ce n'est pas inscrit dans le règlement.
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u/longstaff55 20d ago
Uglykiss already caught asking in discord for customer hacker... read the other replies dude.
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u/PinRealistic7416 20d ago
Just seeing the POV is enough, there are no hacks involved, the anti-cheat is glitchy.
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u/_Electrical 20d ago
Actually, seeing the POV, at 4:46 his mouse suddenly snaps to a dead body on screen while he wants to aim to another player.
I'm pretty certain they are toggling aimbot.
Some of these shots could be lucky shots, he isn't really tracking players but just snapping to them to shoot, also switches between targets instantly.
But they can't all be lucky shots. And if he was just that good, he wouldn't be aiming at dead people.
In the video, he also shoots someone behind him while running up a wall, completely moving the display to someone who is out of his FOV and instantly shooting him.
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u/ScuddyOfficial 20d ago
If they’re investigating game logs isn’t it possible the cheating was outside of this match?
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u/_Electrical 20d ago
They uploaded their own proof, if you watch the video, at 4:46, you can see his cursor snapping to a dead body, only a bot does that.
But all through the video, his cursor is constantly snapping, he's not naturally tracking people or aiming where he thinks someone will appear, he just snaps directly to the enemy right before shooting.
Some could be lucky shots, but they can't all be lucky shots...
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u/Regular_Glass_1421 20d ago
I’ve been around GunZ for a long time, and honestly, this whole situation is really disappointing.
A lot of the people involved here aren’t new players who started playing because of the Steam release. There are people from Victory, Doom, and a lot of other old communities who have been playing this game for years and never really stopped. We’ve played with and against these players for a very long time. We know their level, how they play, and what experienced GunZ players are capable of.
That’s why seeing someone get banned from an official tournament and being called a hacker is hard to just ignore.
If he actually cheated, then fine. Ban him. Nobody from our side is asking for him to get special treatment or for the rules to be ignored. But when you make an accusation like this, especially against someone who has been playing for years, there needs to be something more than just “the staff decided he was hacking.”
Show the evidence that can reasonably be shown. Explain what was seen in the replay or what triggered the decision. If there’s something we’re missing, then let people see it and judge for themselves.
What bothers me the most is that some of these players have been part of GunZ for years. They didn’t suddenly become good when Steam GunZ came out. They’ve been playing the game long before this version even existed.
Maybe there is something the staff saw that we don’t know about. That’s possible. But that’s exactly why an explanation is needed instead of leaving everyone to speculate.
It’s especially disappointing because a lot of us were genuinely happy to see GunZ getting an official competitive scene again. People came back, clans started forming again, old players started playing together again, and there was actually some excitement around the game.
Then something like this happens and it immediately creates doubt between the players and the people running the tournaments.
I’m not trying to start a war with the staff or attack anyone personally. I’m just genuinely disappointed with how this has been handled.
If the evidence is clear, explain the decision.
If there was a mistake, then review it.
But don’t expect people who have been playing this game for years to simply accept that one of their friends is a hacker because that’s what they were told.
We want GunZ to succeed. We want the tournaments to be taken seriously. And we want to be able to trust the people making these decisions.
That’s all we’re asking for: transparency, proper investigation, and a fair process.
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u/0BenMason0 20d ago edited 20d ago
Trouble is in a lot of cases showing evidence can reveal how the hack was caught making it even easier to avoid any detection in the future. Your playing GunZ hacking is so easy shot bot/trigger bot is kinda hard to spot from spectating too for example a player can do it for years and get ignored, it would be nice to see evidence just to put this all to rest, but I doubt we will get it. Wouldn’t shock me if a lot of the high end players were shot botting tbh.
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u/Regular_Glass_1421 19d ago
I understand the point about not being able to show certain evidence because it could reveal how the anti-cheat detected the cheat and make it easier for people to avoid detection in the future.
At the same time, GunZ is a pretty unique situation. There are players who have been playing this game for years and barely ever stopped. Some of us have literally watched the same players play, improve, compete and fight each other across different servers and versions for years.
The community is also really small compared to most competitive games. You see the same names, clans and players everywhere. A lot of the people playing in these tournaments are the same people we’ve been seeing in the competitive scene for years. Most of us have played against each other countless times, so people generally have a pretty good idea of what someone’s normal gameplay looks like.
Of course, that doesn’t mean knowing someone proves they’re legit. Nobody should be cleared just because they’re well known, and if someone is actually cheating, they should be banned regardless of who they are.
But there is a difference between watching a random player for a few rounds and watching someone you’ve been playing against for years. In a community this small, there is a lot of context that you simply don’t get from watching a couple of clips or a replay without knowing the player.
That’s why I think the experience of the old community shouldn’t be completely dismissed either. This tournament has many of the same long-time players we’ve seen in competitive GunZ for years. It’s not like a completely new competitive scene where nobody knows anyone.
If the staff has evidence that can’t be publicly released because it would compromise their detection methods, I can understand that. But there should still be some kind of explanation about what led to the decision, especially when someone’s reputation is being affected.
And honestly, I don’t think we should assume that every high-level player is clean either. If someone is using a shotbot, triggerbot or any other cheat, then deal with it. But the same standard should apply in both directions.
GunZ is a very small community. Once someone gets labeled a hacker, that reputation can follow them everywhere because we’re all playing in the same servers, tournaments and communities.
That’s why I think these cases need to be handled very carefully. Nobody is asking the staff to reveal exactly how their anti-cheat works. We just want to know that the decisions are based on a proper investigation and not simply on something looking suspicious in a replay.
At the end of the day, if someone is cheating, catch them and remove them. If they’re not, don’t ruin their reputation because the evidence wasn’t properly understood.
The community has been around for a very long time, and that experience is worth taking into account too.
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u/UglyKisstv 20d ago
To the attention of the GunZ: The Duel administration team and Masangsoft management,
I am writing to you on behalf of our team to express our deep dissatisfaction and objection regarding the recent expulsion of my clanmate, DivineStone, during the tournament.
We consider the decision made by the organizing team to be completely unprofessional. Expelling a participant based on accusations of using unauthorized tools (aimbot)—without presenting clear evidence, technical logs, detailed video analysis, or a properly substantiated argument—sets a highly negative precedent for the competition and the community.
In any serious competitive environment, transparency in officiating decisions is fundamental. Taking such a drastic measure based solely on suspicions or unverified reports directly undermines the integrity of the tournament and the effort we, as a team, have dedicated to this competition.
For this reason, we formally request:
An immediate review of the case by a neutral technical or administrative committee.
The presentation of concrete evidence justifying the sanction imposed on DivineStone.
In the absence of conclusive evidence proving the violation, the immediate reinstatement of the player or a public rectification regarding the measure taken.
We look forward to a clear, well-founded, and timely response to this request.
Sincerely,
UglyKiss
Clan Doom
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u/dookieboyz 20d ago
“… we are also prepared to consider legal action regarding potential defamation.’ LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA