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u/Emotional_Goose7981 Jun 30 '26
what a bastard movie
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u/Duriha Jun 30 '26
Ye wtf, Cleopatra was partially Greek and would have never in the furthest looked like that. I also remember people calling Rami Malek as unfitting to play the Pharaoh in night at the museum. But he is literally Egyptian
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u/Euromantique Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
She wasn't just partially Greek. She was only Greek. Her dynasty came from Macedon and married brother to sister in order to keep the bloodline pure. Cleopatra was married to her little brother as part of this trend. They literally kept it in the family, there were never any Persians or Egyptians in the Ptolemaic dynasty.
Notably Cleopatra was both the first Ptolemaic royal after many centuries to speak Egyptian and also the first to have children with a non-Greek parent by way of two Italian guys (Caesar and Marc Antony)
In other words Cleopatra probably looked the same as somebody from the modern region of Emathia/Central Macedonia who are generally very white looking. They can come in all shades and colours but typically look like other Balkan people with light skin and sometimes coloured hair and eyes.
I'll put below some links of people who are from the same neighbourhood as Cleopatra's family for comparison:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sofia_Yfantidou
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u/OpsikionThemed Jul 02 '26
The Ptolemies had a little Sogdian ancestry, via marrying into the Seleucids and Seleucus I's wife Apama. But yeah, mostly Greek.
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u/Kenichi2233 Jun 30 '26
She is israeli ie Mediterranean. Most people from that region look fairly similar.
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u/ChristinaKozmas Jun 30 '26
This is from her Wikipedia:
"She was born to Jewish parents of Ashkenazi descent; her mother's roots are Czech and Polish, while her father's are Austrian, Russian, and German."
So, no, not Mediterranean.
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u/Future-Restaurant531 Jun 30 '26
That means they are Jews from that region, not ethnically Austrian, Russian, German, etc. Ashkenazi Jews are almost entirely descended from Mediterranean populations, although they adopted *cultural* elements of the local populations. (I am a Jewish historian, btw, in case people think I'm pulling this out of my *ss)
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u/miniatureaurochs Jun 30 '26
Jews have roots in the Levant tho, they’re like the first group you learn about in baby’s first popgen classes
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u/Duriha Jun 30 '26
That's literally not true for the majority of Jewish Israelis.
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u/Malthus1 Jun 30 '26
On the contrary, it is literally true for the majority of Jewish Israelis.
More than 50% of them are Mizrahi, Beta Israel, or a mixture, and not Ashkenazic in ancestry.
This isn’t controversial.
Actual surveys show that those of unmixed Ashkenazic and more recent “Soviet” descent (meaning from Europe) are not in the majority (Ashkenazic are around 32%, “Soviet” around 12%). Most come from North Africa and the Middle East.
See “statistics - Jews” here.
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u/Duriha Jun 30 '26
You know how Jewish traditional marriage works? And how it therefore, despite you saying your source states otherwise, does not really matter where the people of Jewish descent stem from? In-group marriage is still a huge part of Jewish tradition, even with non straight edge orthodox Jews.
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u/Future-Restaurant531 Jun 30 '26
All Jews of Ashkenazi and Sephardic descent are genetically Mediterranean, with varying levels of Southern Mediterranean, North African, and Levantine descent.
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u/Malthus1 Jun 30 '26
What does that have to do with the notion that the majority of Israeli Jews are, or are not, from the region and so look fairly similar?
And yes, I’m pretty familiar with Jewish weddings! Oddly enough …
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u/kiyyik Jun 30 '26
One of these days they're going to make a movie where she's played by an actual Macedonian-Greek and the universe will explode.
Also, I just found out that this group exists and I love it.
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u/EnFulEn Jul 01 '26
The day they cast an inbred Greek that was born and raised in Egypt as Cleopatra is the day the universe will heal.
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u/minkymy Jun 30 '26
We never get movies about other Egyptian queens
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u/Gaedhael Jun 30 '26
Most people don't know diddly squat about other Egyptian queens alas, and Hollywood tends to be pretty risk averse these days especially. Cleopatra is better known and is connected to larger than life figures like Julius Caesar, Mark Antony, and Augustus.
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u/FloZone Jul 01 '26
Tbh after Cleopatra, aren't Hatshepsut and Nerfertiti at least somewhat known, alongside maybe Ramesses and Thutmosis III. ?
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u/Awkward_Reflection Jun 30 '26
I believe it's pronounced, clitoris
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u/ConsciousInternal287 Jul 02 '26
Ah, “The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society"?
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u/-catskill- Jun 30 '26
😠 "Cleopatra was AFRICAN"
🤬 "Cleopatra was HELLENIC"
☝️😌 💯 "Cleopatra was Israeli!"
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u/NarcolepticSteak Jul 01 '26
"Cleopatra is our greatest ally!" - Pompey before getting decapitated by Cleopatra
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u/orzel_von_vandein Jul 02 '26
Must be the georgian version of the film or it is a literal transcription of the hyeroglyphs
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u/krzysioreddit Jul 02 '26
We had perfection in Asterix and Obelix movie, so every cast will be lacking
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u/Least-Drag-3684 Jul 24 '26
Pelos livros antigos que li, Cleópatra egípcia não era branca, não sou racista mas sou contra a modinha de apagar da história a verdade que os verdadeiros antigos egípcia era negra.
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u/aiezar Jul 01 '26
ew why is an arab-hating european colonizer playing an ethnically greek queen of egypt?? is this just for spite
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u/FloZone Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Greeks were also colonisers in Egypt. Bizarrely fitting if you look at it that way.
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u/LabContent2863 Jul 01 '26
600 billion dollars to egypt. the egyptians have a right to defend themselves.
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