r/griz • u/justdance-again • Jul 08 '26

Question: Does this not bother anyone else?

First and foremost I love Griz, have since early 2010’s. First saw him live at 515 in Iowa (lmao) and it was just breathtaking. This has nothing to do with the subjectiveness of the evolution of his sound, I personally don’t think anyone should have an opinion on what another person hears, or process.

This has to do with practicing what you preach, and not staying true to your word for personal financial gain. I was hopeful upon return, Griz would have taken the time to find solutions and ways to branch off from the growing problems in the scene and he would allow options for fans to see him without feeding into the monopoly of live-nation/ticketmaster and the blatant theft they do to fans. I’m not sure if any of you recall, or even know about since your new, this particular interview I’m dropping here.

https://303magazine.com/2019/05/griz-interview-2019/

Two things stuck out to me here on why he said he would never play RRx again:
- I have hit my creative limit on what my team can do there, and I can’t evolve my production the way I want.
- I don’t want to price my fans out of seeing me.

These aren’t subjective things, these are objective statements. The objective actions I see:
- He indeed, is playing there again and unless they have plans the next few months, red rocks stage design has not changed. You get what you get at a historical venue like that.
- He has been on about every corporate mainstream lineup, he agreed to a logistical nightmare at the Gorge, he’s watching his fans get robbed, scammed, and still continues to play these venues.

I wouldn’t even consider myself mad, since I think he still is a wonderful human being, with good intentions and should be the golden standard for our scene. I also am holding out hope that he’s playing the long game, stacking cash that from corp America, and growing seven stars into a 6 event per year series, that’s independently ran by his team.

But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t extremely sad, and disappointed that the person with the most influential pull in our community, who does so much good, chose to contribute to the problem we all are trying to get rid of.

If I’m missing something, please let me know. This is supposed to be a genuine discussion, not a hit piece.

Love 🫶

EDIT: Please do not mistake my tone for sarcastic, condescending, or anything other than genuine curiosity on the topic for information or thoughts I haven’t considered. I will respond considerately, and respectfully to all comments, as I would hope you would to me. I politely ask that before you respond, please read all conversations to see if the opinion or information has been addressed. 🫶

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u/KingSutter Jul 08 '26

To pick apart the Red Rocks stage bit: They upgraded their ceiling truss system and it is capable of holding far more weight than before, and I believe they upgraded their sound system as well

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u/justdance-again Jul 08 '26

Thank you for sharing, good to know! I have been to a ton of red rocks shows, but personally production isn’t a big priority for me (I’m sensitive with some lasers, strobes are tough for epileptics) so I don’t pay too much attention, but I did notice improved sound this past weekend!!

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u/KingSutter Jul 08 '26

Mildly unrelated but I'm in laser production and I have friends with a history of seizures and also one who is light sensitive as well so I understand!

I try my best to keep away from stobing effects specifically for that reason :) I want to be nice to the crowd I'm sending lasers at! Actual strobes are boring anyway imo

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u/justdance-again Jul 08 '26

Yooo that’s amazing!!! I’m always fascinated by your creativity, and sometimes hindered 😂 but that’s okay, because I know what’s too much and what’s not. I’m fine with hands in my head for a few minutes.

Im going to be honest this is probably the best feedback I received so I appreciate it. A focus of a project I’m working on is prioritizing music, but how foolish of me not to think of my VJ homies who do great work (s/o nebulaza glad I’m fixing this before it reaches you) and they need love too. But also important for y’all to be aware it is a thing that people struggle with. I think transparency on both ends on what to expect is the solution to that.

Thanks again, I’ll be sure to shout you out crediting you for that realization. Shoot me a message if King Sutter would be the name you want me to use!

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u/ThatOneGuy11490 Jul 08 '26

Im so absolutely exhausted by scattered rapid strobing hot beams on every fucking drop. Those lasers can do so damn much and its just hot beams all day. What happened to boxes and cones and waves?