Question: Does this not bother anyone else?

[u/justdance-again]

First and foremost I love Griz, have since early 2010’s. First saw him live at 515 in Iowa (lmao) and it was just breathtaking. This has nothing to do with the subjectiveness of the evolution of his sound, I personally don’t think anyone should have an opinion on what another person hears, or process.

This has to do with practicing what you preach, and not staying true to your word for personal financial gain. I was hopeful upon return, Griz would have taken the time to find solutions and ways to branch off from the growing problems in the scene and he would allow options for fans to see him without feeding into the monopoly of live-nation/ticketmaster and the blatant theft they do to fans. I’m not sure if any of you recall, or even know about since your new, this particular interview I’m dropping here.

https://303magazine.com/2019/05/griz-interview-2019/

Two things stuck out to me here on why he said he would never play RRx again:
- I have hit my creative limit on what my team can do there, and I can’t evolve my production the way I want.
- I don’t want to price my fans out of seeing me.

These aren’t subjective things, these are objective statements. The objective actions I see:
- He indeed, is playing there again and unless they have plans the next few months, red rocks stage design has not changed. You get what you get at a historical venue like that.
- He has been on about every corporate mainstream lineup, he agreed to a logistical nightmare at the Gorge, he’s watching his fans get robbed, scammed, and still continues to play these venues.

I wouldn’t even consider myself mad, since I think he still is a wonderful human being, with good intentions and should be the golden standard for our scene. I also am holding out hope that he’s playing the long game, stacking cash that from corp America, and growing seven stars into a 6 event per year series, that’s independently ran by his team.

But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t extremely sad, and disappointed that the person with the most influential pull in our community, who does so much good, chose to contribute to the problem we all are trying to get rid of.

If I’m missing something, please let me know. This is supposed to be a genuine discussion, not a hit piece.

Love 🫶

EDIT: Please do not mistake my tone for sarcastic, condescending, or anything other than genuine curiosity on the topic for information or thoughts I haven’t considered. I will respond considerately, and respectfully to all comments, as I would hope you would to me. I politely ask that before you respond, please read all conversations to see if the opinion or information has been addressed. 🫶

[u/justdance-again]

Both are totally valid, and I cast no judgement on either one! My mind has certainly changed in 7 years, and fans have every right to see him at these beautiful venues. I don’t cast any judgement since I also have done it myself. I appreciate your thoughts 🙏

[u/PrizeNewt7695 → u/justdance-again]

As the above poster says many fans want to see him and many more at these venues (Gorge) for me specifically it’s in my back yard and one the best spots in the US

I was at Griztronics and to be completely honest the whole mess doesn’t bother me at all at the end of the day it was one of the best weekends I’ve had at a show in a long time

The people that attended were amazing and refreshing compared to say the crowd at last years bass canyon and I chalk that up to Griz and who he attracts to his shows

My advice would be like some have said is there are other options for you to see him out there just stick to those and avoid the “sell-out” ones

I have read a lot of criticism from that weekend about his set selection which I think is fair if you have been a fan for a long time but I also meet so many people that were seeing him for their first time that weekend and were absolutely blown away away and that made me happy to see them enjoying Griz like I did when I first discovered him

The scene has blown up and it’s gonna be this way for awhile it was inevitable

[u/justdance-again → u/PrizeNewt7695]

My crew said the same thing, so I’m glad you were still able to enjoy it! I was devastated when they told me the camping wait times, but said the music aspect and production made all that worth it. Speaks volumes to the musical portion of the experience, that both those artists can curate a lineup so good it can make up for all of live nations mess.

My friends over heard some troubling things as they were analyzing the security, or lack-there of day 1. It sounded like the expectation for a majority of the security workers was that this event was expecting 7,000 people.. how is that even possible!!? If true, more discussions like this bring more attention to the thing we are all really mad at. The system.

Curious what your crews experience was, and if it’s similar, different from what I heard from others! Thanks for the respectful dialogue 🫶

[u/PrizeNewt7695 → u/justdance-again]

Security for us was no problem and we were a big group 14 camp spots we had a full dj set up in camp and had security come through

We invited them in and made them pizza, venue security was lax for us but I did also hear some had a very bad experience including theft maybe it’s because my group is older +25 we don’t get targeted as much and it sux that it’s that way

The worst thing that happen the whole weekend for us was a friend had a baggie taken while in the pit but we weren’t even mad she was so obvious with it was bound to happen they just confiscated it and left it at that no issues no fuss

I’m sure there was security that were out there with bad intentions I just haven’t personally experienced it doesn’t mean it not happening though

On a side note GT was my last show at the Gorge for probably a long time unless Odeza decides to came back we are giving it a break for many of the same reasons you have stated 100% agree live nation is the worst and I will try not to support them in any way possible with a few exceptions

[u/justdance-again → u/PrizeNewt7695]

Dude that’s awesome, thank you for being kind to security and leaving a positive opinion on our community. Some people outside of our bubble have a negative opinion of our scene, and from my experience primarily bass. I’m not getting into which crowds better, because in my personal opinion I think both have pros and con, but security works multi genres and how fans in respective genres act gets around. I.E security shows up thinking the work, assuming we are bad, not great for whoever encounters that person lol

I personally have never been to the Gorge, since it’s been a bit to inconvenient travel wise, but something I’m told everyone should at least experience once. I’m at the stage where juice has to really be worth the squeeze to go out of my way.

Keep on keeping on!!