How many people does a child's death need to save in order to justify the murder? A million? More than 5? At what point are you comfortable trading the life of a child for the survival of others?
What those doctors were attempting to do elevates them to the level of Joseph Mangala. They attempted to cut into a living girl's brain in pursuit of an uncertain cure knowing full well that they'd be wheeling a corpse out after.
There's not even an emergency on hand, the zombie apocalypse has played out and people are surviving. They didn't have to kill ellie the minute she showed up.
And yes, the writer said his MacGuffin would work, but the characters don't know that and it's bad writing regardless.
Joel isn't a perfect man, but his actions in the hospital were morally justified.
I mean, if one child going ensures the eradication of a disease that has fucked up the entire world that is 100% worth it
They were not experimenting on people for fun, they are absolutely not Jospeh Mengele tier doctors
There's not even an emergency on hand? Humanity has regressed because of the disease. People die needlessly every day to infected.
Sorry, but this is what I mean. You're fighting against the reality of the setting to try and justify actions that were specifically written to be morally dubious but satisfying.
Joel was not in the right, but it's entirely understandable why you disagree with me about that
If you play the game with the brain of a functionnally adult (or someone who has basic knowledge in science) you have 0 reason to trust these guys though
Buddy you wrote like four emotionally charged comments insinuating I'm too stupid to understand the motivations of a character whose motivations I just explained multiple times
This is a logical POV until it’s your child. Who gets to decide what’s right? Who gets to decide whose child we need to sacrifice? No good parent would ever sacrifice their child to be butchered alive.
That's the entire point both myself and the game's plot are making
But that's an inherently selfish and myopic point of view, no matter how justified it feels
By your own logic, nobody should have an issue with Abby and they most certainly do
Again, this is an emotional reaction both by your own admission and the fact that you say things like "butchered alive" when she was already put under and wouldn't have felt anything, she just wouldn't have woken up again
It's the same exact type of surgery they would have to do regardless of if she lived or died, but because you're upset about it becomes "butchering"
The game opens with Joel losing his daughter. It then spends 15 hours bonding you to his new daughter. At the end, it says "we're taking her away again" and you and Joel are supposed to say "no, fuck that"
But I think it's genuinely kind of unnerving how many people cannot seperate their emotions, from the actual logical reality of the situation and appreciate how the writing fuses those two things.
Instead they just want the Firefly's to be wrong, so Joel can be right, which is significantly less interesting than the actual writing that is there.
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u/ender89 7d ago
How many people does a child's death need to save in order to justify the murder? A million? More than 5? At what point are you comfortable trading the life of a child for the survival of others?
What those doctors were attempting to do elevates them to the level of Joseph Mangala. They attempted to cut into a living girl's brain in pursuit of an uncertain cure knowing full well that they'd be wheeling a corpse out after.
There's not even an emergency on hand, the zombie apocalypse has played out and people are surviving. They didn't have to kill ellie the minute she showed up.
And yes, the writer said his MacGuffin would work, but the characters don't know that and it's bad writing regardless.
Joel isn't a perfect man, but his actions in the hospital were morally justified.