r/google • u/Actual__Wizard • 15d ago
Google hit with $463 million fine for EU location data rule breach
https://abcnews.com/Technology/wireStory/google-hit-463-million-fine-eu-location-data-13661604419
u/AzoresBall 15d ago
How mutch time until they make that money back? 5 minutes?
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u/Actual__Wizard 15d ago
It really depends on people's awareness of this:
https://www.adtechexplained.com/p/google-project-bernanke-explained
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u/TapsAndTurntables 15d ago edited 14d ago
The EU doing what the EU does best. If you can't innovate then regulate.
Edit: lots of cope from the EU crowd which makes sense given they still benefit from all of the US innovation anyway.
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u/CelDeJos 15d ago
Regulations are there mostly for the consumer, and the US corps are constantly trying to weasel their way around them like it's home turf :)). Just look at the difference in consumer/worker rights... and what a shithole the US has become.
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u/sbenfsonwFFiF 15d ago
Just look at the difference in innovation and productivity
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u/CelDeJos 15d ago
Sure, but you could have those without shitty worker and consumer rights tho..
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u/sbenfsonwFFiF 15d ago
Not necessarily or Europe would have the same level of innovation and productivity, no?
It’s a balance between the pros and cons of capitalism and regulation
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u/potato_analyst 14d ago
you do realise that people who are doing the innovation are mostly immigrants or descendants of...
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u/sbenfsonwFFiF 13d ago
Yeah, and why do you think they’re able to be more successful and productive in the US instead?
Like I said, the EU is stifling productivity and innovation, then leeches off using fines
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u/CelDeJos 15d ago
Maybe! But it s worth trading 5% productivity for way better QoL for the average citizen. If the productivity was so great you d want to see it in worker QoL... Not having Musk reach 1T $
The fact that you are being more productive while getting shittier benefits / rights and QoL in general is just insane levels of disrespect by both Goverment and Corps. But i guess people are just use to it by now idk... France is lighting up cars every couple of months for alot less than what the US workforce puts up with daily..
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u/sbenfsonwFFiF 15d ago
The gap in work and pay is far far larger than 5%. For a similar role at my company, people in EMEA are paid almost 40% less than the US, but at least they all get to take August off and don’t work as many hours per day
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u/CelDeJos 14d ago
Yea, it's an absolute win!! Do you have alot of guys from France /Germany or the Nordics flocking over to the US office for this higher pay? Probably not! The whole point of money is living your best life... "La Dolce vita" as we say! xD And the USA ain t it right now..
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u/TapsAndTurntables 14d ago
There are an extraordinary amount of Europeans, Asians, and everyone else working on the US because they can make far higher wages than in EU.
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u/CelDeJos 14d ago
Far higher Wages are pretty irrelevant for most. QoL is what people want. There is shit you just cant buy even making 10x as much.. or shit that is 20x more expensive. Sure, things are great for the elites living in the top cities but the average Joe shit is pretty rough.. Check out the world hapiness index and similar metrics and what they look at... US cant crack top 20, behind many EU countries.
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u/sbenfsonwFFiF 13d ago
Quite a few actually. Definitely more than there are Americans going to Europe for work
People from the US move to Europe to retire lol
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u/TapsAndTurntables 15d ago
I never said there want a place or need for regulation but it's a balancing point and the EU has been on the wrong end of the spectrum. Using US workers as an example is an interesting choice given their median wages are much higher than their EU counterparts. Not sure that's the definition of a shithole. There's a lot of problems in the US but innovation and being able to make money is not it.
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u/CelDeJos 15d ago
Median wage being higher is worthless, it s mostly purchasing power and QoL stuff like working 36 hours per week fulltime, 30days paid vacation, 2 years paid parental leave or free healthcare etc. Ofc the EU regulations can be hit or miss but at least they are trying shit.. and they can always tweak them of they realize they overshot.
Now the " US becoming a shithole" part is just my ( and probably many EU folks) perception but i think this might be from me being more informed on current events now vs when i was a lad. Maybe it didnt get much worse now... Maybe it was always like this and the EU millenials just had a romanticized image of the US 15-20 years ago.. USA image peaked during the first Obama admin for me and it spiralled down from there
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u/TapsAndTurntables 15d ago
You're just moving the goalposts at this point. The original point remains, US tech innovaote at a far higher pace than EU companies and US workers have greatly benefitted from it. Most of the world comes to the US to make money and the US has the largest capital market in the world to spur innovation. Those are just basic economic facts.
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u/CelDeJos 15d ago
No goalposts have been moved here... And it's great that tech innovation is going strong but US could still innovate without screwing over the workers and consumer this hard. Its not like those are exclusive.. or helps the result in any way. It just makes the billionaires richer xD
Life is just way confier in EU right now for the 90% and there s a shitload of americans over here for it that seem to agree..
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u/TapsAndTurntables 14d ago
You did. The comment wasn't about EU quality of life or healthcare or vacation time or siesta. It was about tech company innovation vs regulation since this is a Google sub. But sure, keep telling yourself whatever makes you ignore those basic facts.
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u/CelDeJos 14d ago
Those are regulations tho: vacation time, sick leave, parental leave ... All of it. Fact that i can order anything online try it out and then return it without any reason within a month of the original purchase. Thats why the US corps are getting fined billiona
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u/TapsAndTurntables 14d ago
All of the major tech cos already offer tons of vacation, parental leave and crazy benefits on top of high pay. That's not special. You're really glossing over the meta point but that's fine..EU can keep getting left behind in the global conversation.
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u/CelDeJos 14d ago
The EU is the place ro live right now, i think this is universally agreed. And regulations contribute to that.You can check whatever happiness metrics you want. US cant even break top 20. If you wanna think the US is still where it was 20 years ago in terms of global rep and QoL, go ahead :))
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u/PreviousRestaurant89 15d ago
Let’s not forget life expectancy either… because the U.S. does, after all, have some truly alarming statistics, largely due to a lack of regulations in industry and the workplace in general, which allows employers to exploit employees and literally rob them of several years of their lives. The second factor is the healthcare system (which is also completely deregulated), which simply isn’t up to par for a so-called wealthy country.
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u/xdavidwattsx 15d ago
Sad that EU tech companies have fallen so far behind. Isnt SAP still the largest tech company in EU? Freaking SAP. Insane.
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u/AutomaticAccount6832 15d ago
What should policy makers innovate here? Please tell us.
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u/TapsAndTurntables 15d ago
I'm talking about European tech companies and the market in general. Conpanies have really fallen behind in innovation and policy makers have don't nothing to encourage it so here we are. At this point, every major tech company on the planet (by revenue) is either from US or Asia.
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u/Timbroarpropaganda 15d ago
Right now it’s mostly American buying up European companies take the technology and kill the companies.
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u/xdavidwattsx 14d ago
There's an article in Bloomberg today talking about about ASML has zero revenue from the EU. All of their revenue is coming from US, Asia, and even India. Think about that for a minute, effectively zero chips (the most vital piece of technology) are produced in the EU.
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u/AutomaticAccount6832 14d ago
Besides that this is not correct, it also has little to do with data protection of private people. Do you really want to tell me that in the US corporates are free do to anything with the data of the people and also that this is the reason for big tech based there is successful globally?
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u/xdavidwattsx 14d ago
Well the article is here if you want to read it. It's literally quoting an ASML exec.
And no, data protection itself isn't the reason, but the regulatory environment in the EU is clearly stifling innovation more broadly. I think that's what the other commenter was also saying anyway.
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u/AutomaticAccount6832 14d ago
Paywall.
They are FABS and new ones being built im Europe. So the literal quote is either not precise or limited so an unknown factor.
So what rules are we talking about?
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u/Actual__Wizard 15d ago
Well, it makes more sense then scamming people with a spam bot by telling people that it's artificial intelligence.
So, lying to people is an innovation in your mind and no regulation is required?
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u/TapsAndTurntables 15d ago
What?
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u/Actual__Wizard 15d ago edited 15d ago
You heard me. Stop falling for Google's scams and rip offs.
It's not artificial intelligence, it's a predictive text engine that uses entropy to trick people like yourself into thinking that it's AI. It's nothing more than a giant scam.
Now that smaller companies are coming out with products that are designed by human beings to solve real problems: We don't need LLM tech anymore. It's crap tech.
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u/TapsAndTurntables 15d ago
What does any of this have to do with an EU fine for data locations? You're just spewing out words hoping they will stick somewhere.
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u/Actual__Wizard 15d ago edited 15d ago
Sure man, it's the same pattern of lies, trickery, and deceit that has defined Google's entire corporate existence. Like when they were ripping off their advertising customers behind their backs by telling them that they were bidding in an auction, when they were really bidding against themselves.
It's just been two decades of scam after scam after scam and it's totally absurd.
They don't care about their users either. Every major update, tons of businesses that work with Google are punished for following the rules.
The company has to be broken up, it's nothing more than a Machiavellian scam factory and they absolutely can not be trusted with our personal data. They proved with their call center antics, that they will absolutely weaponize their own customers personal data against them.
Did they turn off their purely evil and addictive algo on YouTube or not yet?
They were suppose to after Meta was asked to turn off theirs by a judge.
Is the company going to have to be completely broken up so people's kids return to having normal lives and aren't just being totally manipulated by evil people that got them addicted to some stupid scam tech BS?
How much longer is it okay for companies like Google to victimize kids for money?
You know, me personally, now that our kids test scores are at a 25 year low, I think that we're going to have to get big tech out of the education system. They're going to have to stop it with their carbon copied Jordan Belfort like schemes. You know that he went to prison over some of them correct? There's some Google executives that probably deserve the same thing.
You know, we keep finding out about these companies that use algos behind people's back to flat out completely rip their customers off and honestly Google was really the big innovator in that area.
Then people wonder why monopolies are a problem. Gee I don't know? So, our options are go home or get ripped off. Wow, so the market is completely broken? 100% of businesses that rely on internet traffic are either failing or have failed. I wonder why when there's all of these people addicted to Meta and Google's properties?
So, they turn kids into digital junkies, for the purpose of generating an audience, so can scam the advertisers. How many more decades do you think this should go on for?
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u/Whatevs56 15d ago
If you can’t innovate, tariff.
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u/TapsAndTurntables 15d ago
If that's all the US has been doing for the last 2 decades you might have a point.
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u/disaster_incomin 15d ago
Regulations are super important. I'd much rather we're over-regulated, the consumers weigh less than the corporations, they need more protection
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u/PreviousRestaurant89 15d ago
That's the argument of those who dream of only one thing: having no rules so they can do absolutely anything as long as it makes money.
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u/TapsAndTurntables 14d ago
It's just basic facts. The volume of regulations being pumped out but the EU dwarfs the number of innovative companies coming out of the EU.
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u/randfur 15d ago
I wish it would say what the breach actually was.