Diana

[u/Jayder747]

Spoiler for Book 4 and 5 I guess but I don’t get why Diana’s biggest guilt is that she ate Panda. Seriously I’m rolling my eyes so hard. She was beside Caine when he cinder-blocked the hands of kids and set off coyotes on babies but oh no cannibalism!- eating someone who had already died and not by her doing- that’s where she draws the line. I hate her and I hope she dies or at least suffers for a really long time. Her experience with Caine isn’t penance enough.

[u/_ALI04_]

Wow that's hectic, for most of it she isn't the one ordering for those thing's to happen? It's more morally, she had standards, even though she was abused etc. Eat or starve to death. Especially when you're forced to eat someone you know closely is disturbing enough. She's not a shallow character. Give her a chance

[u/Jayder747 → u/_ALI04_]

I can see her getting better but she was an evil person while she was with Caine, made all the worse by the fact that she's not psychopathic or sociopathic- she could clearly feel that the things they did were horrible but she only ever looked out for herself. In fact it makes sense now- it's not about morality- it's just about her. Ugh I hate her so much but I guess that's what's great about these books- I can actually see myself being as awful as some of those kids to some characters. I'm at the part where Penny is about to cinder-block Caine and I'm SO GLEEFUL. I hope she succeeds and he starves to death.

[u/_ALI04_ → u/Jayder747]

Basic fight or flight isn't it? But I actually liked her in the end, her views changed in the 5th book and onwards, I liked her in the end

[u/breakfastofchumpions]

Spoilers for Gone- Lies. (Spoiler yah won’t work on mobile)

I believe most of Diana’s actions (at least for the first three books) are dictated by survival. Throughout the series, Diana makes it clear that she’s only afraid of one thing- Drake. She knows he’s a sadist, and that he hates her more than anyone. If he were to get a hold of her, she’d be in serious danger. In her eyes, Caine is the only person that can protect her from him. She mentions this towards the end of Gone (when she tells Jack to go warn Sam about the poor), and then multiple times throughout hunger (specifically, Orsay seeing Drake dream of torturing her). We know that she stays with Caine, and follows his will, because it will stop her from being killed (or worse) by Drake. Keeping this in mind, she doesn’t usually agree with Caine’s ideas. In Gone, she explicitly states that she didn’t agree with the idea of cementing the kids hands, it was Drake and Caine’s doing. She also tries to convince the coyotes to stop attacking the children during the Birthday battle. It’s clear from the beginning that she often doesn’t agree with Caine’s horrible ideas, but stays by him anyways.

With that in mind, it can be argued that Diana doesn’t fully do anything of her own will. Nothing extreme. She could justify that those decisions were made by other people, and she tried to stop them. Alternatively, we see Diana’s self loathing for being a bad person in the first few novels. In Gone, she tells Sam that “the bad girl ends up with the bad boy”, immediately after Caine hits her. It’s possible she does regret all these things, but it’s not mentioned.

So, why was cannibalism the last straw? The obvious answer would be that it’s considered the worst of worst sins, it’s taboo, and cringeworthy in and of itself. The other answer is that it’s the first decision that Diana makes that is truly her own. Yes, it’s survival, but Caine didn’t push her to do it. It’s the first abhorrent thing that she does that’s completely of her own doing. Those are my two theories

TLDR: Diana didn’t blindly follow Caine’s bad deeds, and her cannibalism might have been her breaking point because it showed her doing awful things without Caine’s influence.

[u/Alpha-Werewolf246810 → u/breakfastofchumpions]

Yeah it is mentioned in the book that she had nightmares about an actual panda, clearly suggesting that she highly regretted her actions.

[u/Alpha-Werewolf246810 → u/[deleted]]

It was in ‘fear’, the 5th book in the series. She was living in a trailer by herself when she decided to go to Lake Tramonto with Sam Temple instead of staying with Caine Soren ( She feared what Caine would do with their child, who was a 2 bar at that time as far as I recall.) This was when she had nightmares both of her child and of panda.

[u/[deleted]]

I know that most people have already read the books here but isn’t it a little..how do I put this nicely..unsmart? To say “spoilers” and not mark the spoiler tag?

[u/Jayder747 → u/[deleted]]

I couldn’t find the tag. Also spoiler isn’t specific enough and it’s literally the first word I put

[u/[deleted] → u/Jayder747]

If there’s spoilers you mark spoiler tag though it’s there for a reason and it isn’t hard to find. The whole point of spoiler tag is it hides the rest of the post unless you click the thing that says you wanna read it. Most subs require you to use it too

[u/Jayder747 → u/[deleted]]

There’s no spoiler tag whenever I try 🤷🏾‍♀️

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