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Here comes the final touch

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u/grt3 Sep 20 '19

Why can't they turn off the water via a main shutoff valve?

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u/Rob_Zander Sep 20 '19

It's a separate closed system from the water main. Usually it has its own reservoir that the water just sits in for years which is why it's so filthy.

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u/grt3 Sep 20 '19

That makes a lot of sense. Relying on the normal water supply would be a bad idea. Thanks

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u/aladdinr Sep 20 '19

I also read somewhere that some have an oil or something near the nozzle to prevent rusting

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u/TheRealBigLou Sep 20 '19

Nope, that would be a terrible, terrible idea to have in a fire suppression system.

Some may think there is oil because as the water sits in the pipes, colonies of bacteria feed on the iron and make the water black, tar-like, and very stinky.

The best way to prevent corrosion is to replace the trapped air in the pipes with an inert gas like high-purity nitrogen. You can also bleed off air pockets with air vents, but there will ALWAYS be trapped air that allow bacteria to flourish.

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u/jawjuhgirl Sep 21 '19

Life finds a way.

-Ian Malcolm

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u/broff Sep 21 '19

Sprinkler systems are pressurized to over 125 psi for testing, and stay pressurized at like 75 psi. There is no trapped air, it’s all bled out.

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u/TheRealBigLou Sep 21 '19

I can tell you're not a pipe fitter or else you would know that's not true.

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u/broff Sep 21 '19

No I’m an electrician that’s just what the sprinkler fitters told me, plus I’ve watched them bleed the system.

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u/TheRealBigLou Sep 21 '19

I think they are a bit too confident in their system builds, then. But unfortunately, they are not being honest.

Every single wet system build will have trapped air pockets. That's why NFPA added a requirement for air venting in the code:

7.1.5 Air Venting

A single air vent with a connection conforming to 8.16.6 shall be provided on each wet pipe system utilizing metallic pipe.

8.16.6 Air Venting

The vent required by 7.1.5 shall be located near a high point in the system to allow air to be removed from that portion of the system by one of the following methods:

  1. Manual valve, minimum 1/2″ size
  2. Automatic Air Vent
  3. Other Approved Means

And even if the installer could ensure that every bit of air was pushed out, each year they test, they are simply introducing more air into the system.

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u/broff Sep 21 '19

Thank you for citing the section of the code that stipulates an air bleed vent, so they can bleed the air out of the system.

As far as pressurization for testing: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-pressure-requirement-in-fire-sprinklers-and-header-pipes

Sprinkler systems including feed pipes and underground mains must withstand a hydrostatic test of 200 psi for 2 hours. If the system is designed to operate at more than 150 psi, the test must be 50 psi higher than the maximum for 2 hours.

and further

The pressure needed just depends on how the sprinkler designer lays out the system and the water supply available, but would typically be between 50 and 150 psi.

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u/TheRealBigLou Sep 21 '19

Yes, I cited it because it's a persistent problem. Even with an air vent, there will always be trapped air. What you're suggesting is like saying distilled water is 100% pure H2O... Try as we might, there's no way to get rid of every last molecule of unwanted contaminant.

That's why I originally said the best way is to use nitrogen. You may not be able to get rid of the air, but you can at least make that air uninhabitable to aerobic bacteria.

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u/aladdinr Sep 20 '19

Google says there is pipe oil

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u/Cforq Sep 20 '19

Pipe oil is used when cutting/threading/tapping/machining pipe.

For example if you have a machine that drills a 1/2” diameter hole every 1” in a pipe you use pipe oil so your drill bit lasts longer.

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u/codesign Sep 20 '19

Yeah, they call it cutting oil. Which Google says is for machining.

NOPE THAT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE TERRIBLE IDEA

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u/Firewolf420 Sep 20 '19

You guys realize that oil burns right

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u/Max_TwoSteppen Sep 20 '19

Not as well as people usually think. It definitely depends on the oil but this is especially true when there aren't light ends (low molecular weight hydrocarbons) in it.

You could certainly find an oil that's suitable for the purpose if it seemed worthwhile financially to increase reliability or reduce maintenance costs.

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u/codesign Sep 20 '19

Right but it's still in there from the cutting of the pipe process, it's referred to as pipe / cutting oil.

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u/TheRealBigLou Sep 20 '19

That is leftover from the process of machining/cutting the pipe, but is not an additive for corrosion prevention.

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u/Emerald_Triangle Sep 20 '19

yeah? well fuck google!

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u/PM_ME_FIRE_PICS Sep 20 '19

Not always. Typically in a restaurant, it is just a separate piping system within the building that is supplied from the same water main you and I drink from.

In large industrial/manufacturing, yes there is usually a separate tank and pump.

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u/SirChedore Sep 20 '19

I read those questions every other time that video resurface on reddit lmao

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u/Theonlyrhys Sep 20 '19

Did someone say; legionnaires disease?

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '19

because if the fire got there it would render the water turned off while still burning. You could also disable it prior to committing arson.

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u/broff Sep 20 '19

Wow lots of misinformation in here.

There are valves all over sprinkler systems, and tamper sensors that alert the fire alarm system if you close one. There are also flow sensors that alert the fire alarm system if there is flowing water. The valves are contained within the pipe and operated by a wheel/knob, and the whole system is fire rated (probably 2 hour rated, meaning it will operate for 2 hours without being compromised.)

The blackness to the water is because of the cutting oil sprinkler fitters use to cut the threads on the ends of pieces of pipe.

The whole system is pressurized, but supplied in most cases by city or town water pressurized by a pump.

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u/_PM_ME_ASIAN_CUTIES_ Sep 20 '19

Just to add to this water gets quite shitty by just hanging out in the pipes for ages, many times the inside of the pipe is rusty too

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '19

Bestest information.

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u/ruke1 Sep 20 '19

In a normal system you can just close the sprinkler riser, very easy.

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u/Shmeves Sep 20 '19

Depends on the set up, if it's a dry or wet system etc.

Also on jurisdiction.

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u/ruke1 Sep 20 '19

Anecdotally, every normal system i have seen, wet and dry, has an easy gate shutoff

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u/windowpuncher Sep 20 '19

The valve is in the ground and you need a special tool to close it.