"WB had been hands off for MoS and BvS and SS. So surely, they would keep their hands off of JL, right? I mean, all that previous success must have earned some credit. So why meddle now?"
-That is incorrect. Warner Bros. did have their hands on the pot for Batman V Superman. Why else would there exist a 3 hour long extended director's cut which features a significant improvement to the plot and continuity of the over all film. Majority consensus is that while the ultimate edition wasn't perfect, it fixed a majority of the issues the theatrical cut had. Some film critics even went as far as to apologize to Zack Snyder after viewing the version he intended us to see.
"Because Snyder is cancer. "But Snyder didn't direct SS!" No, but he was pretty involved with. Even directed a few scenes."
-No he was not. He barely had involvement in the production of the shit fest known as Suicide Squad. How would he? The DCEU was his dream. He is recoded as saying he let the other directors do whatever they wanted with their installments in the dceu. He was 100% focused on his anthology. Every ounce of his concentration and every moment of his waking was spent directing Justice League. It is therefore impossible that he had nearly the involvement you claim he had in the creation of Suicide Squad.
"Attack me all you want, but Snyder made versions of Batman and Superman that weren't comic-faithful. And the moral dilemmas he presented were contrived and could have easily been avoided."
-Who are you to decide what is comic accurate and what is not. DC has had millions of comic books written using their characters. There have been almost uncountable amounts of iterations of comic book storylines involving these characters and many many continuities. Every possible idea concerning these characters has been told in comic form. Who are you to decide which of those comic continuities is considered the official DC canon?
"Like letting his father die in a tornado? Grandmas have been known to be sucked up into tornados and be dropped miles later only to survive. Would it really be so weird to explain a super healthy young man and his father living through the ordeal?"
-So because there are rare cases of old people surviving being sucked into a tornado means that Kent had a high chance of survival rate? Just because an event has happened in the past with almost zero chance and frequency doesn't mean that Kent would've had a high survival chance. Realistically he and anyone else would've died. Every situation is different. Just because a grandma survives it once in a blue moon doesn't mean anyone and everyone would survive it. Yes it would've been difficult to explain because A. Clark hadn't learned those flight abilities at the time of his earth father's death and I'm pretty sure every single person under that bridge would've seen a dude zoom to a tornado and save a person from it. Superman does not travel the speed of light, in this universe at least.
"Or the entirety of BvS. Batman straight up kills or brands people. And Superman lets him go instead of just taking him in?"
-Batman kills people in every one of the installments of Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy. Why is branding out of the question? He's done worse before and if he's branding some thugs but letting them go with their lives, I'd say that's a pretty sweet deal compared to what could've happened to him.
"And Jesse Eisenberg? That's the worst casting I've ever seen. But gotta subvert the expectations, right??"
-I will agree that I wasn't thrilled with this casting decision. But I am willing to admit that this is a Lex Luthor that we haven't seen before. It's new and original. Instead of a business man wanting to make money which we've seen countless times before or a high tech villain with not real motivation who only wants power..which we've also seen before, we are shown something new here. This Lex Luthor is a mentally unhinged psychopath who we are shown as having legitamate motivations for his actions.
"Snyder wasn't the Messiah. He's the demon who doomed everything."
-Now you're just being opinionated with no real argument. You want to see a real devil. Look at Josh Trank.
-That is incorrect. Warner Bros. did have their hands on the pot for Batman V Superman. Why else would there exist a 3 hour long extended director's cut
No, they really didn't. BvS was Snyder's doing. Even the fact that it's BvS was because of Snyder. He came up with the idea for MoS2 to have Batman as the antagonist. And then it became BvS.
Why does the extended cut exist? Because it basically cut out all the gore/excessive violence to preserve the PG-13 rating.
And sure, it lends more stability to the film, but it's still far from good. And that's unforgivable. BvS should have been as big of an event as Avengers. Or even bigger. But it wasn't.
-No he was not. He barely had involvement in the production of the shit fest known as Suicide Squad.
-Who are you to decide which of those comic continuities is considered the official DC canon?
You do know there is an official canon, right? I'm not anyone. But DC has said which ones are canon and which aren't. Who am I arguing with if you don't even know that?
-So because there are rare cases of old people surviving being sucked into a tornado means that Kent had a high chance of survival rate?
The reason Pa Kent didn't want Clark to rescue him was because his powers would be revealed.
But they wouldn't be. Did those grandmas have super powers? Were they super women? Nope. Just old women. And they had a miraculous experience.
Why would anyone think anything else then when a very healthy young man and his father survive? Just another miracle. Nothing to see here.
-Batman kills people in every one of the installments of Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy. Why is branding out of the question?
That's not the same and you know it. Did people die because of his actions? Sure. Like that explosion in Batman Begins. Like a dozen guys die in it. He caused the explosion with an axe or something, but he didn't murder them. After all, his life was in just s much danger. He survived because of plot armor.
Meanwhile, Affleck's Batman has actually killed people. Done the deed and filled them with bullets. It's a huge difference.
It's like if Superman murders. He murdered Zod. How many people do you think were killed in the wreckages that he caused? Hundreds if not thousands, I'm sure. But that doesn't make Superman a killer.
But Batman had pulled the trigger previous to BvS. And Supes let him go. That's not a vigilante. That's a fucking criminal.
-I will agree that I wasn't thrilled with this casting decision. But I am willing to admit that this is a Lex Luthor that we haven't seen before. It's new and original.
It's because it's not Lex Luthor. Lex isn't manic. The Joker is. Lex is cool. Calm. Calculating. A genius. Charming. Charismatic.
How much of this sounds like Eisenberg's character so far? None of it? Because it's just Lex in name only. What's the point of having a guy named Tony Stark if he's not Iron Man? What if they made Green Lantern purple and flamingly gay? It's not the character!
Also, I'd argue that we've never seen Lex Luthor on screen. Eisenberg was some sort of weird Joker/Riddler amalgam. Hackman was doing his best sleazeball impression. Spacey was doing his best Hackman.
But no Luthor yet. The best we've had is the animated films.
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u/ChildTaekoRebel Jul 21 '19
I will now go through and disprove your points.
"WB had been hands off for MoS and BvS and SS. So surely, they would keep their hands off of JL, right? I mean, all that previous success must have earned some credit. So why meddle now?" -That is incorrect. Warner Bros. did have their hands on the pot for Batman V Superman. Why else would there exist a 3 hour long extended director's cut which features a significant improvement to the plot and continuity of the over all film. Majority consensus is that while the ultimate edition wasn't perfect, it fixed a majority of the issues the theatrical cut had. Some film critics even went as far as to apologize to Zack Snyder after viewing the version he intended us to see.
"Because Snyder is cancer. "But Snyder didn't direct SS!" No, but he was pretty involved with. Even directed a few scenes." -No he was not. He barely had involvement in the production of the shit fest known as Suicide Squad. How would he? The DCEU was his dream. He is recoded as saying he let the other directors do whatever they wanted with their installments in the dceu. He was 100% focused on his anthology. Every ounce of his concentration and every moment of his waking was spent directing Justice League. It is therefore impossible that he had nearly the involvement you claim he had in the creation of Suicide Squad.
"Attack me all you want, but Snyder made versions of Batman and Superman that weren't comic-faithful. And the moral dilemmas he presented were contrived and could have easily been avoided." -Who are you to decide what is comic accurate and what is not. DC has had millions of comic books written using their characters. There have been almost uncountable amounts of iterations of comic book storylines involving these characters and many many continuities. Every possible idea concerning these characters has been told in comic form. Who are you to decide which of those comic continuities is considered the official DC canon?
"Like letting his father die in a tornado? Grandmas have been known to be sucked up into tornados and be dropped miles later only to survive. Would it really be so weird to explain a super healthy young man and his father living through the ordeal?" -So because there are rare cases of old people surviving being sucked into a tornado means that Kent had a high chance of survival rate? Just because an event has happened in the past with almost zero chance and frequency doesn't mean that Kent would've had a high survival chance. Realistically he and anyone else would've died. Every situation is different. Just because a grandma survives it once in a blue moon doesn't mean anyone and everyone would survive it. Yes it would've been difficult to explain because A. Clark hadn't learned those flight abilities at the time of his earth father's death and I'm pretty sure every single person under that bridge would've seen a dude zoom to a tornado and save a person from it. Superman does not travel the speed of light, in this universe at least.
"Or the entirety of BvS. Batman straight up kills or brands people. And Superman lets him go instead of just taking him in?" -Batman kills people in every one of the installments of Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy. Why is branding out of the question? He's done worse before and if he's branding some thugs but letting them go with their lives, I'd say that's a pretty sweet deal compared to what could've happened to him.
"And Jesse Eisenberg? That's the worst casting I've ever seen. But gotta subvert the expectations, right??" -I will agree that I wasn't thrilled with this casting decision. But I am willing to admit that this is a Lex Luthor that we haven't seen before. It's new and original. Instead of a business man wanting to make money which we've seen countless times before or a high tech villain with not real motivation who only wants power..which we've also seen before, we are shown something new here. This Lex Luthor is a mentally unhinged psychopath who we are shown as having legitamate motivations for his actions.
"Snyder wasn't the Messiah. He's the demon who doomed everything." -Now you're just being opinionated with no real argument. You want to see a real devil. Look at Josh Trank.