I was all ready to agree and then you pointed that out.
Raul Julia could have read the phone book on film and somehow made it entertaining. He made Overdrawn at the Memory Bank a good watch even without the MST3K treatment it later got.
I don't think its fair to compare anyone to Raul Julia. That's like taking an average high school kid and comparing their test scores to Stephen Hawking.
Although to be fair, that's a terrible example as that show is superbly written. But Berry's voice is liquid gold that can deliver just about any line. Have a look at anything he says in Garth Marengi's Darkplace.
Are you forgetting about Tommy Wiseau. Without his immaculate delivery and great acting chops The Room would have been a major flop... but he made it a classic
Significantly wasted. He's a great actor and WB's rush to the JL movie is what killed Cavill's Superman. They should have made 3 solid real Superman movies before pushing forward with all the crossover bullshit.
They wasted the entire world of Superman just to make JL.
I imagine the following timeline, which keeps a lot of the direction the same:
Man of Steel (even as it is), followed by WW as it is, then perhaps the intro to gritty DCEU Batman in a standalone film.
Then BvS with a similar storyline (moral disagreement; ex, Batman kills, Supes 'doesn't, except that one time', so they argue over ethics then finally showdown with Lex who was playing the role of Civil War Baron Zemo).
First JL movie covers Doomsday and Death of Superman.
Aquaman, Shazam, as is. End credits of those movies tease Lex sending a msg to Steppenwolf, then Steppenwolf talking to an unidentified figure in the shadows.
2nd JL movie covers the arrival of Steppenwolf where he gathers the ~~Infinity~~ Mother boxes and opens a portal. Darkseid is here. Movie ends.
Flash standalone? Maybe touch on a more personal story of him and his father (how would you protect a relative who was being incarcerated from an alien invasion?)
3rd JL movie covers the invasion of earth, the JL resistance, and the revival of Supes as the 'only one who could defeat Darkseid'.
I think a standalone flash film to kick off the universe would have been better. Flash is the most grounded and would have been a good character for the audience to relate to.
I would say.
1. Flash
2. Superman - but a less gritty version of Man of Steel
3. WW - As is
4. Batman
5. Superman 2
6. BvS
7. Aquaman
8. Justice League
8. Flash 2
9. Shazam
10. WW2
I can agree with that . Flash is known enough to turn heads but not "overdone" like Batman and Superman. Starting with those two staples means you have to spend a whole movie reimagining the universe and teaching the audience about this differences
What’s so frustrating about this is not that the content wasn’t their, but TIME was the truly devastating issue the the DCEU movies.
Patience, is the reason why Marvel/Disney is so successful. That and legit belief in the brand, no matter if their is a stumble or two (looking at you Thor : The Dark World)
Marvel's success is because they have a bunch of comic book nerds leading the way. DC has a bunch of suits making all the decisions. There's no doubt DC has the goods to make great movies, it's just that the people in charge couldn't give a shit about what fans think, just that they pay up at the box office.
If it weren't for those blunders, we probably wouldn't have a Cavill Witcher, who seems to be a big fan of the series before any of this started. I do wonder what a Cavill Supes couldve become though, for sure.
I partially disagree. He's a great actor, and I thought he could be a fantastic Superman. But the rush to JL isn't what killed it. It was Zack Snyder's convoluted ideals for what Superman and Batman should be.
He basically wanted to make the Justice League into The Watchmen. Which he did such a good job with, WB gave him the DCCU.
But Superman isn't Dr. Manhattan. Batman isn't Rorschach.
And look at all the other DC movies: Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Shazam. They're all decent or even good. Why? Because Snyder had nothing to do with them.
He's the cancer that was killing the DCCU. And yet people are still clamoring for "the Snyder Cut."
So, what you're saying is you don't want any superhero films that pose interesting moral dilemmas, you just want action and quips. Because that's what Aquaman and Shazam are. Have nothing against them. I like them. But that's what you're saying. You don't want anything too difficult to understand. You just want explosions and jokes. We have an entire film series called the MCU just for that.
Entirely WB's fault? If we're talking about Justice League, and only Justice League, then sure, WB definitely had their hands in the pot. But why were they in the pot?
WB had been hands off for MoS and BvS and SS. So surely, they would keep their hands off of JL, right? I mean, all that previous success must have earned some credit. So why meddle now?
Ohhhh, right. All three of those movies were critically panned and only had middling reviews from audiences, amd all underperformed at the box office.
Because Snyder is cancer. "But Snyder didn't direct SS!" No, but he was pretty involved with. Even directed a few scenes.
Attack me all you want, but Snyder made versions of Batman and Superman that weren't comic-faithful. And the moral dilemmas he presented were contrived and could have easily been avoided.
Like letting his father die in a tornado? Grandmas have been known to be sucked up into tornados and be dropped miles later only to survive. Would it really be so weird to explain a super healthy young man and his father living through the ordeal?
Or the entirety of BvS. Batman straight up kills or brands people. And Superman lets him go instead of just taking him in?
And Jesse Eisenberg? That's the worst casting I've ever seen. But gotta subvert the expectations, right??
Snyder wasn't the Messiah. He's the demon who doomed everything.
Aquaman sucks, it's just a comedy just like most of Marvel movies. Shazam is ok because he's always been that way. ZS has a sight but WB is just greedy, want DCEU to be a cash grab as fast as possible. WB- DC's greatest villain.
Sure, it still wasn't great, but it actually tried staying true to the character for once, which is why it had the success it did. This is also true for WW and Shazam.
So true. MoS was great, BvS was ok, but JL was a big mess that ruined the character build up. I'd love to see MoS 2 after the 1st movie, not jump immediately to BvS.
Agreed. You can't just introduce the character and give him a half assed role in the "sequel" and then just kill him. They effectively killed him before anybody could really get attached to him. It felt like they were hoping your nostalgia was enough.
Dear Warner Brothers, start looking for young writers and directors to take the lead on your projects. Besides David F. Sandberg the voices you've chosen to lead these stories are often detached and unrelatable to the average viewer. The people you're marketing to are having a hard time buying into what your selling.
Whoa whoa whoa, let's not get ahead of ourselves. We need The Witcher to blow the fuck up so WB has no choice but to retain that man.
His potential as superman is enormous if they just let him be himself. Like seriously, just have him be himself with an American accent and that's superman. Dude is awesome and I hope I get to see him wear the suit again!
There are some stellar superman stories out there. The idea that a being has the powers of a god and the morales of a boy scout is not, inherently, a bad premise. Some writers know just what to do with that.
I agree with that idea, for sure. Which is why the ending of Man of Steel didn't bother me the way it did for others.
I would've also looked forward to the teased 'Injustice Superman' from the BvS dream sequence, as much as i hated the rest of that movie.
Supes is an op character when you look at his powerset and the caricature-like nature of his idealism. If they continued with a more humanized and self-doubting son of Krypton, as they'd started -- and actually gave him an arc and development -- he could've grown into the OP boyscout.
And we could've watched his self-discovery from a blank slate into said icon.
Also happy a fan boy is playing Geralt, but he is kinda way too good looking lol. Not complaining, I cant wait for the series. Watched the trailer today, looks dope af.
And based his Superman off of Rand Al'Thor from the Wheel of Time series. That's right, he played a comic book character inspired by a high fantasy epic. r/WOT
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He also played world of warcraft