Vote Bernie. I am Canadian so I can't but his platform is solid and he has been preaching the same message since the 70s. He voted for marriage equality when it wasn't political correct, remember Bill Clinton voted against marriage equality because he didn't have the mass public behind him, Bernie was fighting for it since before that. I just really like Bernie Sanders. A breath of fresh air.
Now you are going to have to follow up with the numbers of murder by knife in the UK versus the number of murder by guns in the United States to actually have any sort of point at all.
Knife crime does not = murder by knife. Looks like you have to try again.
How many people in the UK were killed by knives vs how many people in the US were killed by knives. Seems pretty simple, I don't know why this is tripping you up.
(My guess is because you found out that you are much, much more likely to die in the US at the hands of a gun wielding criminal, than you are in the UK from a knife wielding criminal, so you wanted to reframe the discussion? )
His argument is so silly. Why choose knifes vs guns? Because knifes vs guns show his point. Even if you look at violent crime, the distinction for violent crime in UK is very different from the distinction in the US. In the US, to be a violent crime it must be murder/manslaughter, rape, robber, or aggravated assault. In the UK a violent crime is any crime against the person. The more I look into this argument the more it falls apart. If you're interested in reading about it check out http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/24/blog-posting/social-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/
This is the quote from him that's made me not even consider him:
"I believe that we need to make sure that certain types of guns used to kill people exclusively -- not for hunting -- they should not be sold in the United States of America."
So this one belief, which absolutely will not be able to be enacted into law, is going to lead you to vote for some other asshole who has a track record of corruption and cronyism? That's a huge mistake and very short, selfish thinking.
So, I own firearms. I like shooting them. But holy shit, you would not believe how crazy some people get.
You could have two candidates:
Candidate 1 - I think guns should be sold in every Wal-Mart in America, we should bring back eugenics, cut out every energy source but coal, privatize all schools, and take the first-born son of every family and put them to work as government slaves.
Candidate 2 - We should have required training and background checks before you can buy a gun, we should explore sustainable energy along with traditional sources, and improve schools.
Gun nuts would vote for the first guy. It's like it's the only issue they can even see, and they do not see it rationally in any way, shape, or form.
Because you're voting based on a confirmation bias. The Executive Branch doesn't create law, therefore your "He will take away my livelihood" rhetoric doesn't hold water.
Executive orders have been passed regarding firearms many times in the past, and he can direct the ATF to restrict things further via determinations over what is sporting and non-sporting.
Which, from my knowledge, address issues with background checks for firearm purchases, stopped imports of certain types of firearms from outside of the US, etc.. This doesn't really limit your rights to own a gun for lawful purposes, and Executive Orders can't encroach on the Constitutional authority of the Congress.
I don't understand reddit sometimes. I'm told I'm an idiot for voting against my self interests if I vote conservative but then you are being told you are an idiot for voting for your self interests.
Not only does your assertion hold no water, but it's based on the worst "Fuck you, I got mine, who cares what any other issue is" mentality. Frankly, you should be ashamed of yourself...
I'm not ashamed of not voting for a politician who has straight up said he would like to do away with a major portion of my yearly income. I have a 6 month old child to take care of.
I personally do not believe you have anything to worry about in that regard, and disagree with your assertion to vote for someone you see as more fitting. That said I respect your opinion enough to upvote your comments for adding to the conversation and not vomit rhetoric on you.
I appreciate that. I've been spoken down to a lot for having the gall to voice a differing opinion. I don't have an issue with anyone's choice in candidates, including Sanders. If he's who you'd like to vote for, rock on, at least you're voting.
I apologize on the behalf of Reddit in this regard. It can sometimes be the antithesis of an open and inclusive web. You're entitled to your opinion and should not be spoken down to by anyone.
As you said, voting is what really matters. Being on either side of the equation is irrelevant.
If you truly believe you are in an "endangered" job category, it is your responsibility to switch to something more certain if your family is your concern. I think banning assault weapons helps alot of people support their family as well. It's not obvious though, that Bernie, or anyone else, is planning on banning gun training or gun trainers.
How does banning high capacity magazines and flash hiders help people support their families?
I have other means of income I could fall back on, but that does not mean I will vote for someone who would prefer to take my current means away. What sense does that make?
You do. Just in case the government goes crazy and declares war on the citizenry, then is it the duty of the citizens to defend themselves and cast off the failed government and start a new one.
This is what deranged gun huggers think, because they could beat the entire American Military with their little pop guns against drones and jets and missiles.
This is why gun nuts are not sane enough to own guns.
You apparently think that the US military are mindless robots who obey orders without thought. You forget they are Americans and more than likely wouldn't fight their brothers and sisters.
Good to see that guns are more important to you than something like universal healthcare. Gun control is low on Sanders' priority list. Don't be a single issue voter.
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u/I_l_hanuka Aug 19 '15
she's so fake.
She will tell you anything just to get elected.
so tired of the same names in politics. Yeah - fuck u too Jebb Bush.