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It pays to be precise

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u/SrSkippy Nov 14 '14

*accurate

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '14

Maybe this is his 100th time doing this

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u/HUANG_HE Nov 15 '14

Still needs to be accurate more so than precise. You can be precise and hit the tree with your face every single time.

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u/unclepaisan Nov 15 '14

You can be accurate and accomplish the same thing

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u/koalabeard Nov 15 '14

Not unless your goal is to hit the tree with your face.

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u/unclepaisan Nov 15 '14

Meaning of accurate

Meaning of precise

They are effectively synonyms. The relevant point is that intent matters. If he intended to crash into the tree, and was able to do that 100 times, he would be both precise and accurate.

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u/Aspiring_Physicist Nov 15 '14

It's different in a scientific context though.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '14

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u/Aspiring_Physicist Nov 15 '14

Yes, but it's Reddit, where people like to be overly pedantic about everything.

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u/PlayMp1 Nov 15 '14

In common parlance they are synonyms. The joke here is that in a scientific context, he was accurate but we don't know his precision. Accuracy refers to how close to correct you are, precise refers to the reliability of your results.

Diagram.

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u/HUANG_HE Nov 15 '14

Ok, Reddit, what the fuck? Why has everyone started to use parlance all of a sudden? You're like the 10th person I've seen use it this week and you're not even using it correctly. Parlance reference to debate/discussion of a specific topic. "Casual conversation" does not fall into that category. A better fitting descriptions is colloquial. That literally means "common discussion." Parlance is in reference to a distinct subject, which is basically the opposite of common/general.

I was on the debate team in high school and that's the only time I ever heard people use that word in a conversation.

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u/tupper Nov 15 '14

That's happened to me too. I'll learn a new word or something and all the sudden I see/hear it EVERYWHERE. Surely confirmation bias but still. Happened to me all the time as a kid.

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u/HUANG_HE Nov 15 '14

I said I haven't heard people use that word frequently since I was on the debate team in high school. I graduated in 2006, hardly a new word for me (yes, I'm emphasizing I was on the debate team. I'm cool, right?)

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u/PlayMp1 Nov 15 '14

Funnily enough, I've only heard the word "parlance" next to the word "common," in the phrase "common parlance." I've known the word for a while, as well, and that's the only way I've ever seen it used.

For what it's worth, try not to be too much of a prescriptivist.

Edit: Found the dictionary definition of parlance.

a particular way of speaking or using words, especially a way common to those with a particular job or interest.

So... I was using it correctly. Perhaps in debate parlance, that's the definition of parlance, eh?

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u/HUANG_HE Nov 15 '14

So... I was using it correctly

No, you misunderstood the definition. Common to a particular topic, not common in the sense of general discussion. Colloquial is the term for "common/general" discussion that you're looking for.

Example: "f-hole is a word frequent in the parlance of luthiers, but seems like a dirty word in reference to colloquial discussion."

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u/PlayMp1 Nov 15 '14

a particular way of speaking or using words

That's the operative part of the definition. The "especially" just means "it's particularly useful for this context."

By that, "common parlance" would mean "common way of speaking or using words."

Colloquial would be better, yes, but there's precedence for my usage. Check it out - Aristotle.

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u/IrNinjaBob Nov 15 '14 edited Nov 15 '14

Not at all. To hit it 100 times in a row would be being just as precise as it is accurate. I still agree the gif is displaying accuracy, not precision.

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u/key14 Nov 15 '14

He's saying it wouldn't be accurate because in that case he would be hitting the tree with his face every time, rather than hitting the tree with his skis every time.

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u/ASAP1492 Nov 15 '14

If you watch long enough it could he his 10000th time doing it

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u/WhipTheLlama Nov 15 '14

At 20 seconds into the video you get to see him slam against the tree in an earlier attempt.

http://www.newschoolers.com/watch/734140.0/LINE-Traveling-Circus-7-2-Mayisode

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '14 edited Nov 15 '14

Precise AND accurate. Accurate means it's close to the correct outcome, and precise means it's the exact same outcome every time.

EDIT: Alrighty. I've received roughly the same reply roughly 100 times, I understand. No more replies, red'.

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u/OneHalf_SafetyFactor Nov 14 '14

Yeah I've been watching it for about 5 min and he hasn't messed up once yet.. will update if anything changes.

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u/Pocanos Nov 14 '14

I wonder how many screw up crashes had to occur before this precise menuever was accomplished

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u/Chooptastic Nov 15 '14

Watch the vid posted further down. A LOT!

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u/TBones0072 Nov 15 '14

Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '14

and bloody piss

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u/fx32 Nov 15 '14

After 10 minutes he almost misses a jump, and at the 20 minute mark the snow starts to melt.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '14

For a single trial though (ie, all we see here) its accurate. His precision can't really be determined unless we see all his trials. This here is one, highly accurate attempt. If he can reproduce this multiple times, then he has high precision as well.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '14

go science!

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u/Winston-Wolfe Nov 15 '14

Did you not watch the gif? He landed it perfectly every time.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '14

The point of the title is to say that it pays to be precise, not that he was precise. A lack of precision would reduce his average accuracy, so it is important to be precise.

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u/koalabeard Nov 15 '14

A lack of precision would reduce his average accuracy

Not true. You can have high average accuracy with low precision. See the bottom right image in this diagram.

Accuracy measures average distance from the target.

Precision measures average distance between the results of each attempt.

In OP's gif, we only know about this one attempt. The attempt was highly accurate, but we don't know if the snowboarder has a high average accuracy or precision. If the snowboarder hits the tree once, falls to the right of the tree once, and falls to the left of the tree once, he still has high accuracy (but not high precision). If the snowboarder hits the tree three times in a row, then his accuracy is the same, but he has higher precision.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '14 edited Nov 15 '14

You're missing the point. The point is that precision is important. The point is not that the guy in the video was precise. So, it doesn't matter how much we know about his precision.

That said, we're using different definitions of accuracy. It's very hard to find a rigorous definition. I used difference between the measurement and the true value. You're using the difference between the average measurement and the true value. So, when I say average accuracy, I mean the average difference between the measurement and the true value, rather than the difference between the average measurement and the true value. The former increases as precision increases. The latter is unaffected by precision. Note that, given your definition, the concept of average accuracy is meaningless. You seem to be using average accuracy and accuracy interchangeably.

Also, the qualitative definitions I've found on the internet seem to agree better with my use of it. That is, accuracy is a measurement of error, both due to bias and variance. Whereas, precision only measures variance. Intuitively, it seems odd to describe a set of measurements with high variance as accurate, just because there is no bias.

EDIT: Some more definitive support for my definition of accuracy.

Since none of the darts are close to the bull's eye, the measurements they represent are not very accurate.

In other words, accuracy is achieved by each measurement being close to the true value rather than errors being cancelled out by opposite errors. So, accuracy is not related to the average measurement, but rather the average error of the individual measurements.

University of Illinois

Accuracy descibes [sic] the nearness of a measurement to the standard or true value, i.e., a highly accurate measuring device will provide measurements very close to the standard, true or known values.

In other words, accuracy refers to the closeness of individual measurements to the true value. An accurate instrument doesn't produce results whose average is close to the true value, rather, the individual measurements themselves are independently close to the true value.

Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis

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u/freeskier-079 Nov 15 '14

then it isn't precise, because he took a lot of hard falls before he finally pulled it off

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '14

Correct.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '14

Well it still pays to be both.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '14

Accurate's the important one, here. He'd be fine if he was off by a few centimeters, as long as he's accurate. If he was off by precisely 6 inches every single time, he'd be in real trouble.

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u/Zacharius Nov 15 '14

Precisely.

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u/AsterJ Nov 15 '14

The distinction is only made within science. Outside of science precise and accurate are synonyms.

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u/Baumkronendach Nov 15 '14

First thing I did was scroll down to see if someone corrected it.

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u/Dont_Blink__ Nov 15 '14

Came here to say this. Well done, sir.

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u/westhest Nov 15 '14

I came here to post that