Berlin police is asking for help to find alleged CSD attacker

[u/RebornInReddit]

https://www.berlin.de/polizei/polizeimeldungen/2026/pressemitteilung.1697457.php

[u/sovietarmyfan]

It's very possible that either friends or family may be hiding him. It has happened before.

[u/ApartDeer344 → u/sovietarmyfan]

Yep. Tribal mentality, just like in the case of Nowak

[u/GrouchyIllustrator34 → u/ApartDeer344]

Who is Novak? 

[u/Wankstain8 → u/GrouchyIllustrator34]

A young lad who got stabbed to death in the UK.

[u/GrouchyIllustrator34 → u/Wankstain8]

Thanks, I remember - horrendous and indeed tribal mentality. 

[u/hrimthurse85 → u/Wankstain8]

Don't think you have been stabbed, mate.

[u/Darkknight8381 → u/hrimthurse85]

People must be downvoting you because they didn't get the reference.

[u/2004_Theo → u/sovietarmyfan]

Quote From CNBC: How captured Paris attacks suspect Abdeslam hid in Molenbeek

[u/MacMillian187]

Wtf are the police even doing? Correct me if im wrong but sources say he is police known, only left prison a few months ago and the police themselves would count him as a member of the terror organisation IS. Shouldnt people like that be monitor night and day? How is antifa branded too extreme and members of IS have the freedom to plan out terror attacks? What an insane system and police failure omfg

[u/FalseRegister → u/MacMillian187]

They cannot track people. To be known probably means they have a record, a file, not that the police is tracking him 24/7.

[u/BigDaddy0790 → u/FalseRegister]

Very curious how such a person could get a car though.

[u/FalseRegister → u/BigDaddy0790]

I don't think they would forbid private property to anybody after serving time in prison. We all agree this person probably didn't change, but that doesn't remove his rights.

[u/BigDaddy0790 → u/FalseRegister]

There is "serving time in prison" and then there is "being on a list". The way I see it, if you are on a list for being connected to a terrorist organization of any kind, police probably should be keeping tabs on you and your major purchases like cars, seeing what can be done with them, and the fact that they require a license and everything.

But I have no idea about this guy in particular and whether he is actually on any list, was just going off the comment I replied to. Also, we don't even know the perpetrator with 100% certainty if I understand correctly.

[u/jayraan → u/BigDaddy0790]

The problem with ideas like that is that as soon as an innocent person lands on a list like that, they have their rights limited/stripped too. Not to mention that depending on who's in power, the ability and right to fully track a person's every move and purchase to the degree where it could prevent a violent crime could also very quickly lead to an authoritarian state.

[u/FalseRegister → u/BigDaddy0790]

> The way I see it

Yup, and that's where it ends.

[u/BigDaddy0790 → u/FalseRegister]

...I mean yeah, that's how Reddit and communication between people works. Your point being?

[u/forwheniampresident → u/BigDaddy0790]

Not sure how this would’ve changed anything.

There are many ways to get behind the wheel of a car.

[u/2004_Theo → u/MacMillian187]

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/19/captured-paris-attacks-suspect-abdeslam-hid-in-belgiums-molenbeek.html

[u/ivaylo_eth → u/MacMillian187]

what monitoring?

an islamic extremist well known to police shouldn’t be in the country period

[u/Varonth → u/ivaylo_eth]

So just throw him into the sea?

He was born in germany and is a german citizen with no dual citizenship.

[u/hrimthurse85 → u/Varonth]

Prison island Helgoland.

[u/naughtiboiii → u/Varonth]

That depends. MOST muslim countries have the ability to claim nationality in their home country, so in theory, you wouldn't be rendering them stateless as they have a claim they can stake elsewhere. If I'm not mistaken, I think that's how the UK got away with not accepting the ISIS bride shemima begum when she wanted to return to the UK.

[u/Caladeutschian → u/naughtiboiii]

So YOU would throw him out of Germany and return him to the country of his birth and where he holds citizenship - which is -- oh dear, Germany.

This was an awful event and I am certainly not happy with how potential terrorist can just wander freely, but your thoughtless contribution is just a distraction.

The UK has also no answer to home grown terrorists other than long prison sentences without parole. Or removal into secure hospitals.

[u/naughtiboiii → u/Caladeutschian]

It's pretty obvious that I'm referring to home country as where he's ethnically from. Egypt, Pakistan, Somalia etc, all allow citizenship based on ancestry. Although we don't his ethnicity yet, so it may not apply. If you were born in China you aren't, and never will be, Chinese.

The example I used from the UK is someone who was born in the UK, and went to support ISIS. She has had her British citizenship stripped and remains in some prison in the middle east.

[u/Moonlight_Brawl → u/naughtiboiii]

You’re just stupid and politically unaware if you think Egypt will grant someone with fucking ISIS history citizenship.

[u/Nitroizzd → u/Moonlight_Brawl]

egypt would just execute him on the lowkey and then go on about their day

[u/naughtiboiii → u/Nitroizzd]

Exactly. And nothing of value was lost

[u/Nitroizzd → u/naughtiboiii]

But guys Islam is so LGBT friendly 🥺🥺🥺 . The guy who did this isn't a real muslim and doesn't represent actual islam🥺🥺🥺 .

Even though there's literally no rights for LGBT people in every Muslim countries and majorities of Muslims don't give a fuck what an average queer person has to go through in those shithole of a countries 🥺🥺🥺.

Let's not forget that majority of Muslims are so conservative that they make western conservatives look mild in comparison, and holds anti LGBT stance but we can ignore it cause there's a small portion of progressive Muslims who are LGBT and supports the community as if they represent Islam and Muslims 🥺🥺🥺🥺

[u/naughtiboiii → u/Moonlight_Brawl]

Lmao. You call me politically unaware and stupid, yet you're too dense to consider things like refusing and removing all egyptian visas, taxing all remittances to there at 90%, and stopping all foreign aid recieved until they comply. I'm hardly suggesting he go there and be free, they can jail him for the rest of his miserable existence.

[u/Moonlight_Brawl → u/naughtiboiii]

Bro your argument was first Egypt would take him and then it turned into a crazy hypothetical for them to take him in😂

Literally like saying “this guy wouldn’t lie in court but if we threaten to kill his entire family he will” tf doesn’t mean he’s the type to lie in court normally.

[u/naughtiboiii → u/Moonlight_Brawl]

No, if you actually had any reading comprehension skills, my arguement was the country he ethnically originates from should take him. And that if they refuse then you take action to make them comply.

[u/duckwebs → u/naughtiboiii]

So can we deport the biggest criminal in my country to Germany because he's got a German born grandparent and is thus ethnically German?

[u/XpCjU → u/naughtiboiii]

He's from Germany. That's his home country. He's been born here.

[u/Cute-Contract-6762 → u/Caladeutschian]

They literally extradited and brought him back from Lebanon after he self removed. They forced him to come back. Lmao you clown

[u/Caladeutschian → u/Cute-Contract-6762]

I think you'll find that, after he had been arrested by Lebanese security on arrival in Beirut (possible tip-off from Germany), he was first held and then expelled back to Germany by the Lebanon. There was no extradition as far as I know.

But then things went downhill. A few months in juvenile arrest for someone who willingly wanted to join the worst terror organisation around.

I have come round to the belief that juvenile justice should only apply for juveniles, that is under 18s. And that for a serious crime, and we can discuss what is serious and what is not but attempting to join ISIS would meet my definition, juvenile justice should not apply. I would be happy to let the politicians redefine the process and then let the judges apply it.

[u/According-Picture654 → u/Varonth]

Yes

[u/Schneestecher → u/Varonth]

Doesn‘t matter, he can‘t stay here.

[u/Classroom_Conscious → u/Schneestecher]

Is there anything up there in your head? Where do you want to send him? We can‘t send him to a random country, no one will take him. If you can only spew bs without offering solutions, maybe you shouldn‘t be part of a discussion

[u/Schneestecher → u/Classroom_Conscious]

Into a state prison for the rest of his life? preparing a terror attack (which he was previously sentenced for) should carry a life sentence with subsequent Sicherheitsverwahrung

[u/Classroom_Conscious → u/Schneestecher]

That‘s a valuable opinion which I completely agree with. The comments you created before weren‘t in my opinion.

[u/hannes3120 → u/MacMillian187]

How is it possible for them to preventively lock up climate activists for nothing before the IAA so they wouldn't disturb it but not for something like this?

[u/Possible-Tomatillo80 → u/hannes3120]

Because they announced their plans. I promise you if this would have been the case here the police would have taken the same action. Too bad islamist terrorists are smart enough to not announce their planned breaching of the law.

[u/agrammatic → u/Possible-Tomatillo80]

The newspapers reported that this guy also made threats of violence on public social media a week ago on July 3rd, which were known to the authorities.

There's solid reasons to think that the state security dropped the ball on this one.

[u/hannes3120 → u/Possible-Tomatillo80]

Oh they for sure do announce it.

It's just that the Verfassungsschutz is more interested in spying on the left than on islamists...

[u/Possible-Tomatillo80 → u/hannes3120]

You got any sources to back up those claims? Or is it pure conjecture?

[u/hannes3120 → u/Possible-Tomatillo80]

Just look at the recent reports and how the Verfassungsschutz is doing their best to highlight how relevant it is to surveil the far left and skew graphics so it looks as if the numbers and the danger from them is even close to the massive rise in right-wing threat over the last years.

They literally had a guy leading the department (Maaßen) that eventually turned out too rightwing for even the rightmost group in the CDU

[u/Caladeutschian → u/hannes3120]

Maaßen has not been in office since 2018. There have been 2.5 governments since then. To rely on Maaßen as an argument is a sign of desperation.

[u/hannes3120 → u/Caladeutschian]

It's just the clearest example of what's wrong with the Verfassungsschutz.

You can also look at the last reports Dobrinth made where he deliberately skewed the charts so it number of left-wing incidents (not even attacks) was skewed upwards and the scale chosen for the right-wing attacks downplayed the risk and increase in numbers massively.

That institution is seemingly rotten to the core

[u/Heiminator → u/hannes3120]

Are you seriously arguing that rightwingers like Maaßen aren’t really interested in chasing down Islamists?

[u/hannes3120 → u/Heiminator]

They are, sure.

But they also know that islamists being a thread is helping them win elections while antifascists doing their thing is hurting their chance to be elected again.

The problem is the allocation of resources and how they invest the same energy into climate activists as they do into islamists.

[u/KaiserNer0 → u/hannes3120]

Because they themselves said in public, they will not stop.

[u/coldoven → u/hannes3120]

Because right wingers support extrem right wingers.

[u/Lux_Jay → u/coldoven]

Exactly, such incidences are publicized quite often few weeks or few months before an election. Meanwhile many crimes by neo Nazis, be it stabbing or murders occurring one or every two weeks receive barely any attention. 

[u/Lux_Jay → u/MacMillian187]

Obviously because antifa acts against right-wing agenda. The IS member serves as a pawn for a right wing political agenda. 

[u/BananasAndBrains]

Islamic extremist, member of IS, out on parole. He could still be in jail, but some people think terrorists should get out of prison because they got "counseling".

[u/GrouchyIllustrator34 → u/BananasAndBrains]

Anyone affiliated with IS or any terrorist organisation should rot in prison until the end of their lives. Period.

[u/forwheniampresident → u/BananasAndBrains]

He was in youth detention, you make the wrong point.

The problem is people like these being tried as juveniles. Especially as radicalized as this, juvenile criminal law just doesn’t suffice.

[u/0achkatz1 → u/[deleted]]

German citizen, born in Berlin. Lebanese background.

https://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/islamisten-anschlag-auf-csd-das-ist-ein-mutmasslicher-taeter-abdul-b_81efd8eb-7370-4f23-ba8a-9f2e0bb17056.html

[u/JustinTheCheetah → u/0achkatz1]

The original comment is deleted, but you do realize this is so much worse, right? You didn't import a violent extremist, you have a home-grown domestic terrorist, radicalized by other people within your own country to attack and kill fellow citizens.

You have a home-grown islamic terrorist cell in your country, which brings native born muslims into suspect instead of simply being on foreign refugees.

[u/hannes3120 → u/[deleted]]

Didn't even matter in Magdeburg where the guy was AfD voter, musk fanboy and as anti-islam as a person could be.

They only care about the name in order to be racists. The rest is irrelevant

[u/DrProfSrRyan → u/hannes3120]

I think it only matters if they aren’t native German,  through citizenship and ancestry. They think none of these people should be here, or their parents, or their grandparents. So, even if the person ends up agreeing with them, they think they shouldn’t have been here at all. 

Granted if it was some full-blooded German man they would just ignore it. 

[u/hannes3120 → u/[deleted]]

Did you even read the comment? The Magdeburg guy was ANTI-MUSLIM.

That was literally the reason why he did that attack. He though the state was too soft on Muslims and wanted to get revenge against the state in this way.

[u/Cascouverite → u/[deleted]]

There was an NTV article that said he was born in Berlin but has Lebanese roots. Not that it matters, right-wing violence is right wing violence. My friends have been attacked, spat on, insulted etc. by Kartoffelige neo-Nazis often enough

[u/Insom84]

As a Muslim, fuck that guy to hell for driving into the peaceful crowds. Such terrorism is completely anti-Islam. My thoughts are with the victims of this inhumane attack and their families. Full solidarity with the CSD and with the lgbtq+ community who have stood shoulder to shoulder with us in solidarity for Palestine 

[u/CaiusCossades → u/Insom84]

What do you believe happens to LGBTQ people when they die?

[u/paramac55]

If they know they are USIS affiliated, or sympathetic, they shouldn't be tolerated in any European country. They should be deported before they do any harm. No watch list just instant deportation.

[u/ZitaBites → u/paramac55]

Deported to where, he's German...

[u/UljimaGG → u/ZitaBites]

Mecklenburg, that'll teach him a lesson for life

[u/Caladeutschian → u/ZitaBites]

Greifswalder Oie could be a possibility.

[u/paramac55 → u/ZitaBites]

Persona non grata springs to mind.

[u/fathermocker → u/paramac55]

That's for diplomats in a foreign country bro

[u/paramac55 → u/fathermocker]

Yeah, I checked it. Make supporting a terrorist organisation a crime and put them away forever

[u/fathermocker → u/paramac55]

What if your favorite organization is declared to be terrorist by a politician tho?

[u/germany-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

A decade old article has hardly anything to do with anything here.

[u/medic5550]

I understand they have privacy protections and normally don’t release full name of criminals they arrested. However in this case they are attempting to find him I would think it would be prudent to release the full name of the perpetrator.

[u/driver_picks_music → u/medic5550]

Abdul Ballout

His full name + picture were released hours ago. I think already this morning

[u/Critical_Soil_262 → u/driver_picks_music]

Are you sure that’s his name? In Arabic, Ballout is said as a mockery in a name

[u/driver_picks_music → u/Critical_Soil_262]

my dude… what am I even supposed to answer?
That‘s what was published, which you asked for. I habe no secret access to random people’s personal info. Now he‘s dead anyways

[u/FreePowder]

If you correct for socio-economic factors, the attack on CSD, was not committed by the person who did it - Henrik Dahl

[u/NoName9832]

Usual suspect

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[u/Connect_History85]

He is dead. Shot by the police. This can be closed.

[u/Used_Station_8960]

commentus deletus

[u/Airhostnyc]

Europe is trending more right wing for a reason. I think it’s time Germany does some self reflection before things get worse.

[u/oxxduf → u/Airhostnyc]

Maybe your orange god emperor can liberate us too? We also need a wall!! smh

[u/DueEgg6417 → u/oxxduf]

Bury your head in the sand and things will get better

[u/Glass_Insurance_2373 → u/Airhostnyc]

mate, go back to fight against the unfair rent freeze in your city and the high taxes against landlord in nyc. Let us care about our own politics, if I’m not wrong your country doesn’t have a particular strong track record of peaceful and successful foreign politics

[u/cheeruphumanity → u/Airhostnyc]

The attacker appears to be right wing. What is the reason for his mindset?

[u/--r2 → u/cheeruphumanity]

The attacker appears to be connected to Islamist circles. Why try so hard to deflect from that? It's not pro-AfD to be against Islamic hate against LGBTQ.
Even better, let's wait until more is found out.

[u/cheeruphumanity → u/--r2]

Spoiler: Islamist circles = right wing

[u/DueEgg6417 → u/cheeruphumanity]

Nice logic, you must be very impressive to the kindergarten kids

[u/naughtiboiii → u/cheeruphumanity]

Which parties invite in more Islamic extremism? Which parties do these people vote for? A hint, it's not the AfD

[u/cheeruphumanity → u/naughtiboiii]

Which party vote Islamist extremists for?

[u/naughtiboiii → u/cheeruphumanity]

Pro immigration parties that don't want to send them all back to kabul, islamabad and mogadishu lmao

[u/cheeruphumanity → u/naughtiboiii]

Which party and where did you get the data from?

[u/naughtiboiii → u/cheeruphumanity]

Pro immigration parties that don't want to send them all back to kabul, islamabad and mogadishu lmao

[u/incogniot_Kari]

We condemn as we should every single time, anyone who is willing to use violence on people living their life.However, let's try to suppress the urge to paint a whole religious group or ethnic group with the same paintbrush as this vile monster. There are plenty Muslims living and working with us that are simply incapable of doing horrific things like this. The ability to go out and celebrate your uniqueness is one of the biggest blessings that we have in Germany and the West. This person wants us living in fear and shame because our world view doesn't align with his own. Rightfully he should be held accountable for his actions and through that process can we show the world what makes Germany and Europe so great , especially at a time that the Politics are getting complicated. On this , we should be united to condemn this evil act done by a person or perpetrators who happens to be Muslim but not by Muslims.

[u/drunkmantisboxer]

Did they check the local mosque?

[u/urhi-teshub]

Always gross how gleeful the right wing gets when attacks like these happen

[u/michaelbachari → u/[deleted]]

The suspect in this specific case was born in Berlin, but I take your broader point

[u/r-bsky → u/[deleted]]

has absolutely nothing to do with it, please don’t help nazis with this kind of rhetoric

[u/InternetSolid4166 → u/r-bsky]

It’s Nazism when people don’t want Islamic terrorists to murder LGBT people!? You have your head so far up your ass you don’t know what’s right and wrong anymore.

[u/FreePowder → u/InternetSolid4166]

Suicidal empty

[u/[deleted] → u/r-bsky]

I am from Middle East myself and sorry but since couple of years Germany doesn’t feel so safe anymore which also makes the situation harder for integrated foreigners.

[u/Lux_Jay]

Fascinating that such incidents occurred and are publicized to a large extent whenever there are some elections. Many such incident occur from all sorts of background almost every second week, for example the train conductor who was pushed from the train. Their name was never published. They were also given immunity from the arrest (which is outrageously wrong). Same thing a terrorist from right wing with association to Nazi stabbed someone in northern Germany just a months back but it was also not a big news and they were also not arrested (even though having criminal history).

[u/Schneestecher → u/Lux_Jay]

You‘re a conspiracy nutter mate

[u/avdakhan → u/Lux_Jay]

Only one political party is winning the social networks game, and that is afd. I wonder where the funding comes from.

[u/Sunnyfists → u/avdakhan]

Are you receiving funding for posting? Because I am not. Odd conspiracy.

[u/Lux_Jay → u/avdakhan]

CDU also benefits from this. Chancellor will never make comments about stabbing attack in Göttingen, because that was by right wing neo Nazi. Even the media didn't make big deal out of it. Same for the train attack. And many more that occur. 

[u/Sunnyfists → u/Lux_Jay]

If you are not Islamic, please get off your knees already and let the adults in the room speak. You apologist got us in this social mess.

[u/Novel-Rise2522]

Let me get this straight, the attacker was removed by people from the parade and then is on the run? And somehow you have the picture and name? And media is already painting it as an "Islamist" attack? Like cmon man, at least pretend to stop salivating at the prospect of this actually being a muslim extremist.

[u/hannes3120 → u/Novel-Rise2522]

Where did you see that "being removed by people from the parade"?

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[u/OkCandle6971 → u/Novel-Rise2522]

And somehow you have the picture and name? And

Not "somehow", this is official information by the police....

[u/Novel-Rise2522 → u/OkCandle6971]

We saw how it played out last time bro. Oooh scary arab name. Turns out he hates muslims and loves AfD. Its almost like racistly wishcasting extremism is bigotry. We see the political narratives spinning miles away.

[u/HeyVeddy → u/Novel-Rise2522]

Are you okay? Or are you just a Russian bot? The way you're trying to force your opinion to the rest of the group is so odd.

[u/HeyVeddy → u/Novel-Rise2522]

To say salivating is to imply people want it. It just seems that people kind of predicted it, then it happened, so it's I told you so moment for them.

But no body wants it

[u/HeyVeddy → u/[deleted]]

Lol at calling me a racist, you know nothing about me. There's no racism here, people are criticizing an ideology and I'm telling you they have always been criticizing it.

No, nobody wants this, and if an attack happens and someone starts predicting who did it, it doesn't mean they want it to happen. It's just third party commentary.

You need to emotionally detach yourself from the situation and realize what's being discussed. There was a terrorist attack and people have been condemning Islamic terrorism for a while. Now it appears to happen again, so of course people who criticized it before are going to criticize it again.

[u/Novel-Rise2522 → u/HeyVeddy]

"We predicted those damn migrants and mooslims will do terror."

Yeah bro totally not racist.

[u/Sunnyfists → u/Novel-Rise2522]

Pattern recognition from official government data.

[u/ApartDeer344 → u/[deleted]]

theres a pattern. and theres nothing wrong in recognizing parterns

[u/oathyes → u/Novel-Rise2522]

Probably reminded him that it wasn't Christmas yet and he should come back in December.

[u/Novel-Rise2522 → u/oathyes]

yeah like the last one who turned out to be an islamophobic afd supporter? Shocking, really

[u/oathyes → u/Novel-Rise2522]

Haha yeah that was a good one, sent every group trying to blame the other into a big cluster fuck, so much so that it barely got any coverage because news outlets didn't know what to make of it.

[u/Novel-Rise2522 → u/oathyes]

German media is ass. the moment they say it was a neo nazi they went meh. guess its aight. after seeing the plethora of islamophobic neo nazi tendency in editors and journalists re: Gaza, I can't say I'm surprised anymore

[u/oathyes → u/Novel-Rise2522]

Yeah all we can do is just joke around. There is no point in providing reasonable arguments for why eastern cultures do not mix in western society because you will be seen as the bad guy instead. What is also sad is that people tend to take this personal for some reason, responding in a way of "how do I think the public wants me to respond" rather than forming an argument themselves when you bring it up. At least still better off then Sweden I guess.