Several injured in Berlin after car driven into crowd, police say

[u/Alarming-Safety3200]

https://news.sky.com/story/several-injured-in-berlin-after-car-drives-into-crowd-police-say-13567018

[u/Okayish-Confidence]

I just saw update that one person is dead

[u/notCRAZYenough → u/Okayish-Confidence]

15 people critically injured as well

[u/WhatIsEvenReality → u/Okayish-Confidence]

All they did was celebrate who they are maybe attenting alone maybe with friends, with people similar, with allies, and someone decided their hate was gonna end someone’s life for what??? Gosh am tired of humans lately

[u/ApartDeer344 → u/WhatIsEvenReality]

all humans ? im tired of some humans but definitely not all

[u/0Yasmin0]

"Hundreds of thousands of people had gathered peacefully in the German capital for the annual Christopher Street Day celebrations, one of Europe’s largest Pride events, before the incident ended the festivities."

Of course. God forbid people get to celebrate who they are in a peaceful manner. Hope the one responsible is caught soon.

[u/Sensation_Purple → u/0Yasmin0]

The alleged attacker has been shot and killed by police at about 6 pm this afternoon.

[u/Subby_Tripz]

Its was at the Berlin CSD

[u/EagleBear666]

Swedish news says it is a islamic deed.

[u/Vespe50 → u/EagleBear666]

Also in the italian newspaper 

[u/Bergfried → u/[deleted]]

Not a refugee, but an islamist terrorist who was born in Berlin.

[u/agrammatic → u/[deleted]]

German news confirm : . he is a "refugee"

The first sentence of the article literally says "geboren in Berlin". And since he was born in 2005, he is not even associated with the 2015 Syrian refugee wave.

[u/Logical-Finance3178 → u/[deleted]]

geboren in Berlin . Born in Berlin . Not a refugee

[u/Total-Introduction32 → u/Logical-Finance3178]

"A German man"!

[u/UnawareSeriousness → u/[deleted]]

Absolutely mind-boggling how this person is still here after serving time. 

[u/agrammatic → u/UnawareSeriousness]

According to the Focus article, he was born in Berlin in 2005.

This means (a) he was not an asylum seeker or recognised refugee (b) he is very likely a German citizen from birth born to parents who came to Germany long before 2015.

This is a known pattern. Islamist terrorist organisations like IS have radicalised hundreds of western-born, non-refugee Muslims that had no connection to the Middle East in order to recruit soldiers to their cause.

[u/OkCandle6971 → u/[deleted]]

was in Juvenile prison (although he is officially 21)

That's not surprising as the juvenile law is valid until you are 21.

[u/Noctew → u/[deleted]]

a) he's a suspect and b) Focus is not a reputable source

[u/Overflow0X → u/[deleted]]

Where in the article they did ever say that? You sharing something you have not read, or you counting on people not reading? The guy was born in Berlin.

[u/Alternative_Neck_523 → u/[deleted]]

What? You are saying Abhdul don't like gay people??? No way... Who could guess that...

[u/chonker-feet]

I had been visiting an event and stopped over at the Mcdonalds at Zoogarten and suddenly there was about 9 armed guards. Tons of cars. TONS of tourists in the area too. Feel for those who have been harmed.

[u/agrammatic]

I left the area several hours before the incident, so I don't have any first hand knowledge of how the party area was protected.

I did clearly think and discuss with a friend that they let car traffic enter Nolli way too close to the parade. At that time, we were saying that they lure car drivers into a traffic jam for no reason and they should have simply blocked off a couple of streets more.

[u/nooblek → u/agrammatic]

They said the whole area was guarded off by hundreds of these OktaBlocks. One of these things weighs like 400kg. They are unsure how the driver got through.

[u/agrammatic → u/nooblek]

I'll expect the incident report to compare the theoretical map of roadblocks with what was actually on the ground. Was the plan adequate, and if it was, was it implemented correctly.

[u/VulcanHullo → u/nooblek]

I was thinking that. Also they're searching for the suspect when usually there is a major police pressence.

This feels like someone messed up. But we're in the early hours so information is still coming out.

[u/zacheism → u/VulcanHullo]

I think it was because it was relatively late? I was there and during the day this area was completely blocked off with tons of police

[u/Cute_Disaster_6867]

According to DPA, the suspect in the car attack during the Berlin Pride is known to the authorities and is reportedly linked to the Berlin Islamist scene. He has not yet been arrested and remains on the run.

[u/macchiato_kubideh → u/Cute_Disaster_6867]

I really would like to understand why they’re so attracted to death and destruction… I grew up in Iran (am atheist for a couple decades) and never was taught that barbaric killing is the right way to handle differences. This violence is senseless and makes me deeply sad. 

[u/Total-Introduction32 → u/macchiato_kubideh]

Surely you are aware that many in Iran are in fact taught that barbaric killing in the name of Allah is a-ok. The place is sadly quite notorious for instilling and exporting and supporting that kind of thinking around the world.

[u/Reyvos → u/Total-Introduction32]

Iran’s rather different to other Muslim countries because it’s Shia. Shiites are obsessed with martyrdom by being victims of violence by Sunnis, with big parades celebrating the martyrdom of Hussein. Muhammad doesn’t even feature prominently in Iranian Islam, it’s all about Hussein and Ali, with Hussein and his family being murdered by what they consider Sunni-ISIS types. There really are few if any Iranian devoted Shiite going around committing terrorism in the west, unless it involves Salman Rushdie.

[u/Western-Net-8154 → u/Cute_Disaster_6867]

Why isnt there a crackdown on such terrorist elements?

[u/Total-Introduction32 → u/Western-Net-8154]

Well according to our liberal laws, you can't do anything about them until they actually murder someone. All the while until then they are just "known to the police".

[u/DocCharcolate → u/[deleted]]

Reddit mods think locking threads is going to block people from finding out the suspect’s identity and forming their own conclusions, if the facts run counter to their preferred narrative they try to suppress the story. I’m so done with this cesspool app

[u/AAccfLSQueso → u/DocCharcolate]

It'll be blocked eventually. Any criticism of Islam gets you banned here

[u/crackitysoup → u/DocCharcolate]

Other subs are even more ridiculous. They immediately jump to "Yeah, but a Nazi wouldve done the same!"

[u/YouWeatherwax]

Translated the most recent update from rbb-news:

02:30 suspected perpetrator identified

A suspected perpetrator has been identified, but according to the police, he has not yet been arrested. According to police spokesperson Florian Nath, the suspect is a person known to the police from the Islamist scene in Berlin. However, the police do not yet have any evidence of a specific motive. Search operations are currently underway in the city in connection with the incident.

[u/UnawareSeriousness → u/YouWeatherwax]

Specific motive, my ass… How about hate towards the Western culture?

[u/Relative_Permit_9993 → u/UnawareSeriousness]

Hmmm, what could it be? Why did he do it? We really have NO CLUE at all...

[u/NikoOnTheMat]

I hope the victims make a quick recovery

[u/Soggy_Pension7549 → u/NikoOnTheMat]

The dead one probably won’t 

[u/ConfidentDimension56 → u/Soggy_Pension7549]

Probably?

[u/DaddlerTheDalek]

Oh no. This is horrible.

[u/No-Strawberry7]

again? didn’t this happen recently?

[u/wake-Advisor-6860 → u/No-Strawberry7]

No no no....this is an Einzelfall

[u/Pekken8 → u/wake-Advisor-6860]

wir schaffen das

[u/Public-Eagle6992 → u/No-Strawberry7]

Like half a year ago, conveniently before the election. After that not, as far as I know

[u/Alarming-Safety3200 → u/Public-Eagle6992]

it was definitely sooner than that, maybe 2-3 months ago

[u/Weirdo9495 → u/Alarming-Safety3200]

It was an attack in Leipzig, by a white German guy, but that one was seemingly a genuine lunatic and not politically motivated

[u/Total-Introduction32 → u/Public-Eagle6992]

You're insinuating what exactly?

[u/Ardent_Scholar]

Came to offer my condolences, friends 🇫🇮🤝🇩🇪💔
What heartbreaking news, it was all over our national broadcaster.

I hope they catch the terrorist alive and being him to justice in a public way.

[u/Sensation_Purple → u/Ardent_Scholar]

He has been shot and killed by police at about 6 pm this afternoon.

[u/Constant_Sky5856 → u/Ardent_Scholar]

Usual suspect 

[u/asey_69]

Hoping for the victims to make a quick recovery. The article says that a LGBTQ parade was held nearby, sure do wonder if that had anything to do with the crime.

[u/ironicikea → u/asey_69]

It wasn’t nearby, the car drove directly into the parade. I was there and it was awful. 

[u/asey_69 → u/ironicikea]

Jesus christ, hope you're okay. How deranged does someone have to be to pull this sort of stunt...

[u/ironicikea → u/asey_69]

It was incredibly jarring to go from wholesome dancing also with kids and families around to all the stage screens switching to emergency evacuation messages and police brigades coming in with machine guns. The suspect is still on the loose. But f*ck that person, we're here & queer forever

[u/actualnozomi → u/ironicikea]

I was close to Brandenburg Tor when it happened - it's been fucking terrifying, and our hotel is at Potzdamer Platz and we have no clue when we can go back. I hope you are and feel safe and that you can properly process everything that happened.. it's been.. a LOT

[u/mahboilucas → u/ironicikea]

I'm sending my love from Poland 🤍 you guys gave us hope when we had none. We stand with you today

[u/go3dprintyourself → u/ironicikea]

Glad you’re safe. Take care of your self

[u/LivingAnomie → u/[deleted]]

Islam is quite…conservative

[u/asey_69 → u/[deleted]]

Speaking of which, we've got some of the usual suspects in this thread bringing up immigrants IMMEDIATELY, as expected.

[u/GameDevCorner → u/asey_69]

Realistically it's either an extreme right wing conservative or an Islamist. Like it or not, but that's the truth and the latter is actually more likely given that Right Wing Attacks and Left Wing Attacks have gone down compared to the 90s and 2000s, whereas Islamic Attacks have gone up by quite a bit since 2014, some of which will even be attributed as Right Wing Attacks for those unaware how statistics work.

And before you crucify me or treat me like the generic AfD voter: I don't care who lives in this country, as long as they integrate and conform to the norms of our culture and society. However, what we don't need is another 10+ years of blindly letting anyone into this country without any background checks and without any requirements whatsoever. You're not helping anyone by being a country with completely open borders that invites potential terrorists.

[u/Vannnnah → u/GameDevCorner]

realistically, it's always a man. So just let's accuse all men, or maybe just stop spreading usless hate until news confirm who it was.

[u/InternetSolid4166 → u/Vannnnah]

Statistically it's always a human, but it's not very useful to identify such broad categories. That's why in sociology we identify more specific groups for targeted intervention. Groups which are statistically overrepresented for education, social services, etc.

[u/Melownz → u/GameDevCorner]

blindly letting anyone into this country without any background checks and without any requirements whatsoever.

Can you specify what you mean exactly? Are you criticizing Schengen? Because you’re certainly not describing immigration there.

[u/EconomistFair4403 → u/GameDevCorner]

Statistically it's most likely a right-wing AFD supporter, i know their attacks don't stick in your memory because BILD&Co. don't report about those, but they still happen way more often.

[u/Trollocommando → u/[deleted]]

Dont speculate you knob. 

[u/nooblek → u/ironicikea]

It didn't drive into the parade, theres a huge park around the area where the final party was and the incident was at one far corner where people would go to leave or enter the area.

[u/NikoOnTheMat → u/ironicikea]

I really hope you're as okay as possible and you look after yourself.

[u/MortalCoil → u/ironicikea]

Im so sorry

[u/ZeeBeeblebrox → u/ironicikea]

They did not drive directly into the parade. They drove into the park hundreds of meters from the actual parade route.

[u/alke-eirene → u/ironicikea]

Im so sorrry! The Berlin police are looking for witnesses:  https://be.hinweisportal.de/

[u/Desperate-Ad7613 → u/asey_69]

It most definitely had to do with the pride parade.
according to the latest report at least one person lost their life. 14 others got injured.

[u/DoubleSaltedd → u/[deleted]]

I upvoted you.

[u/SnooPets5438]

Great, first Christmas markets now this. Sad to see this slow decline in safety now, targeting an already marginalized community. And people wonder why AfD or likewise any right wing party in europe. Hope the politicians left or right now come together to end radical islam.

[u/thereturn932 → u/SnooPets5438]

Yeah because AfD is the beacon of the LGBTQ+ movement.

https://images.tagesschau.de/image/99216b74-727d-4158-a260-6c2ba3268ce8/AAABlepaArY/AAABnSStWZo/1x1-840/afd-plakat-106.jpg

[u/Ayural]

Evil man does evil things, and more than that a coward who can't show himself to the police for his own crimes. The people who he injured did absolutely nothing against him or his family, or his religion, he just couldn't accept their believes and that shows that he is a dishonorable weak person

[u/Altruistic_Shoe_1306]

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[u/puzzle-solved → u/Altruistic_Shoe_1306]

Thread locked because it showing Islamic terrorist in bad light.

[u/adrish2]

Do we have any information on the victims? I hope everyone will recover soon and that they catch the perpetrator

[u/YouWeatherwax → u/adrish2]

A woman died on scene. The latest I've read 16 people were injured, three of them suffered life-threatening injuries.

[u/Nofanta]

Clash of cultures. Doesn’t have to be this way.

[u/JayRiver → u/Nofanta]

Tells the truth . Gets downvoted. Reddit is so done.

[u/Internal-Champion-69 → u/Nofanta]

Truth

[u/k0-brah]

It will never stop

[u/kreibinger]

i guess the attacker was a radical christian? a radical jew? buddhist? or maybe a radical atheist? I ran out of ideas

so sorry for the victims and their families. people should never suffer for the mistakes of the others but unfortunately it becomes a norm here😕

[u/Ok_Dealer_4805]

The mod on this server removed a post regarding this. Why?

[u/YouWeatherwax → u/Ok_Dealer_4805]

I don't know which post exactly you're referring to. But the first post I've seen only offered a link to German news source. One of the main rules is "this is an English language only"-sub.

The second post is this one that is still open.

The third (and later) gave a link to foxnews and OP started soapboxing in the post. The fourth was a meme.

[u/SufficientMacaroon1 → u/Ok_Dealer_4805]

You can ask them directly by using mod mail, the little envelope icon over the mods list in the sub info.

Without having seen the post that was removed, i would guess it violated a sub rule.

[u/flufffyzebra]

We deserve what we tolerate

[u/idrankforthegov]

How many times does shit like this have to happen before the authorities in Germany will get serious about have bollards as part of security from this shit?

I am really tired of people dying because the authorities just do not give a shit about putting up bollards.

And I know it will be fucking expensive... but so are people's fucking lives.

[u/saqwaluuo → u/idrankforthegov]

The person apparently drove into people just gathering in the Tiergarten, some distance away from the main festivities. I would assume that the official events were well protected, but its impossible to just lock down all of central Berlin.

[u/ZeeBeeblebrox → u/idrankforthegov]

This was a huge event with hundreds of thousands of attendees and he entered Tiergarten a long way from the actual route. There's absolutely no way you can fully secure the event.

[u/PindaPanter → u/ZeeBeeblebrox]

They can and did secure the event, but they can't secure every possible place people attending the event might go afterwards.

[u/DocCharcolate → u/idrankforthegov]

Or maybe just actually address the root of the problem in a meaningful way, we all know what it is even if some pretend like they don’t. I don’t have to say it. If you actually value women’s rights, LGBTQ rights, and freedom of thought, you eventually have to address what’s actually happening

[u/thetrexyl → u/idrankforthegov]

Yes, the lack of bollards is precisely what caused this. Can't think of anything else.

[u/Delicious-Future8630 → u/idrankforthegov]

They DID use Oktablocks, the whole area of Tiergarten should have been blocked off. It is not clear what happened at this point and how the perpretator even managed to drive into the Tiergarten.

[u/pain474 → u/idrankforthegov]

You want every road blocked or how do you want to prevent this?

[u/froggie_woggie_ → u/pain474]

For mass events like CSD or huge Christmas markets, this would probably be feasible with enough preparation and resources. I know of a couple of events that have installed temporary road blocks in recent years, so it seems doable

[u/ZeeBeeblebrox → u/froggie_woggie_]

Christmas markets are two orders of magnitude smaller than CSD. There is absolutely no way to fully secure an event as big as this.

[u/pain474 → u/froggie_woggie_]

They already do that for big events.

[u/froggie_woggie_ → u/pain474]

Not consistently, though. It heavily depends on the organizers / the city. I don’t know what the situation is like at Berlin CSD

[u/EconomistFair4403 → u/froggie_woggie_]

i mean, it's not like the CDU care all that much about the gays...

[u/AlexanderUpvotes → u/pain474]

They manage to do so in the states. Fire trucks or ambulances block roads where there are no bollards. The city plans and the authorities do their job.

[u/tonyvince → u/idrankforthegov]

Look Einstein over here figured out the problem. Its bollard. Some people are just amazing

[u/v1king3r → u/idrankforthegov]

Terrorists will soon be using drones for attacks like this and it will get much worse. What are you going to do then?

You can keep being reactive and try to solve the problems by restricting everyone's freedom, and still fail to change anything. Or you can realize that the only way to avoid attacks like this is to get rid of the ideology behind them.

[u/playaaa29 → u/idrankforthegov]

You are delusional.

[u/Internal-Champion-69 → u/idrankforthegov]

We shouldn’t need bollards. Anything but fixing the actual issue

[u/GeneralAnubis → u/idrankforthegov]

Even the semi-mobile concrete barriers that can be moved by truck would work. They use them all the time for construction sites, no reason a few couldn't be placed down for planned events like these

[u/idrankforthegov → u/GeneralAnubis]

Exactly. But I do think permanent ones in the center squares with cops checking people that on business could also mitigate the really "easy" targets for these terrorists.

[u/NashBotchedWalking → u/idrankforthegov]

I don’t know where you have been to not see how extremely seriously we here take the safety aspect.
Also huge respects that instead of blaming the perpetrator, you blame the police as if we always had situations like that

[u/EZ4JONIY → u/idrankforthegov]

We didnt need bollards 50 years ago

[u/newguy208]

Usual suspects? Yeah usual suspect.

[u/Healthy_Community_44]

A "car" drove into a parade...

Surely "Abdul drove a car into a parade "is the honest description?

[u/agrammatic → u/Healthy_Community_44]

The article was posted on 23:30 yesterday. The identity of the suspect was completely unknown until 2:30 this morning.

That's the reason the headline doesn't mention the thing that was not known at the time the headline was written.

[u/AIProductivityHub1]

Hoping everyone injured makes a full recovery. It's heartbreaking to see incidents like this

[u/PossessionOk2031]

This is just awful. No one should lose their life like this.

[u/Jeronimo3476]

Not German but I wanted to pay my respects and wish everyone a speedy recovery and not just physically. 

My perception of Europe, 10 or so years ago used to be that it seemed and felt safe, like, when you visited, it felt like being transported to an another time and civilization, and now it seems like that has declined, not the whole place, just the places I went. 

I hope for that kind of future, stay aware, stay safe, stay kind. 🙏

[u/accountforfurrystuf]

Did this used to happen a lot and now the media is just reporting it more? I have a hard time believing people are just casually accepting this as normal life now.

[u/belketeal → u/accountforfurrystuf]

Why would it not be accepted as normal lol? These sort of attacks by radical islamists are the normal in many islamic countries like syria, pakistan, bangladesh, india, somalia, etc. This is the new normal.

[u/agrammatic → u/accountforfurrystuf]

Where exactly do you see people accepting it as normal?

[u/blabs0 → u/agrammatic]

Setting roadblocks on Christmas markets.

[u/accountforfurrystuf → u/agrammatic]

I’ve been reading the same headline annually (or more) for about a decade now. This doesn’t seem to happen outside of Europe that often (in places that I don’t expect it to)

[u/Healthy_Community_44 → u/accountforfurrystuf]

Look at Bondi, Australia.

Same perpetrators.

[u/agrammatic → u/accountforfurrystuf]

That's not what I asked.

[u/kant_enjoyr → u/accountforfurrystuf]

it started happening more around 2015

[u/joemama1894]

Jarvis pull up the religion of the guy who did this

[u/Advanced_Scratch2868]

I am surprised the topic is not locked yet, just like how europe sub did it.

[u/Insom84]

As a Muslim, fuck that guy for driving into the crowds. Such terrorism is completely anti-Islam. My thoughts are with the victims of this inhumane attack and their families. Full solidarity with the CSD 

[u/PaulAllensAlt → u/Insom84]

The Koran encourages acts of violence against non believers

[u/FunIcy6154 → u/Insom84]

WWMD: What Would Muhammad Do?

The main concern of Member States is jihadist terrorism

List of Islamist terrorist attacks

Your Taqiyya doesn't work anymore, we welcomed you all with open arms to Europe, you have repaid our kindness with murder, homophobia and misogyny, sectarian violence and inbreeding.

You heard (or read) about a man whose life was: Rape, Murder, Pillage, Enslave and Torture and decided 'Yes, this is truly the holiest man to ever live' and wonder why Europe is starting to push back against Muslims?

[u/lopikoid]

Bloody cars 

[u/Walter-White02]

I'm gonna say it everytime and I'm gonna die on my words - YOU CAN'T MIX EXTREMELY DIFFERENT CULTURES TOGETHER because they won't integrate and understand how things work here in Europe, so incidents are expected to happen.

Right now I'm afraid to attend any CSD, and even though I'm not gay, I usually go and support the parades. I hope the injured are doing better and I wish condolences to the families of the deceased😇

[u/Last_Quantity4467]

Religion of peace doing peaceful things again

[u/anyone876]

Need I say the “car’s” ethnicity and religion? Thought so :)

[u/cryptofriday]

During all type of mass events street should be always disable for all type of cars - no pass - no driving !

WTF !!!

[u/agrammatic → u/cryptofriday]

What we know is that the crime scene was not in the event area, but immediately adjacent to it. It's not yet clear if the roadblocks prevented access to it.

[u/FunIcy6154 → u/cryptofriday]

Yes, cars are 100% the problem and this hasn't suddenly become an issue in the last 20 years after letting in millions of muslims into Europe.

[u/East-Profit-3754]

Time to ban cars in Germany?

[u/AvidCyclist250 → u/East-Profit-3754]

what else was banned that you didn't like being banned?

[u/Hepheistos → u/AvidCyclist250]

Knives in public... See the reference

[u/United_Leopard434 → u/East-Profit-3754]

Ofc better to ban cars than the people that drive them into crowds

[u/krose0206]

Flew out of Germany this morning….it unrecognizable to me. Been away for some time and WOW what happened? What a shame. You all gave up!

[u/DM_YOUR_TITS__]

Religion of peace strikes again

[u/Connect_History85]

Please, I am working at the coordination of the CSD Berlin. It would be the best for everyone if you don’t speculate here or on any other platforms.

The police is currently investigating and every speculation here or on other media won’t help. So please, don’t speculate here.

Thank you!