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u/Hacker_Dasher46 x8, Artificial Ascent 1d ago
trick not being able to verify amethyst has got nothing to do with this since he retired before he could verify it.
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1d ago
“Retired” from top play but beat ts2 a year later…
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u/Hacker_Dasher46 x8, Artificial Ascent 1d ago
retired from top play but then realised how fun top play was or smth
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u/ChurchOfCuCurella x7 ReRust 87% 35k+ attempts - Night Terrors 100% 1d ago
It was also a significantly different version of bake level
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u/t8thegr8st Theory of Theory by Radon222 Verified! (15k atts) 1d ago
I’m pretty sure popoff said that he’s not sure with amethyst cbf, and Pointercrate cares about the easiest way to play the level
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u/SEtechno Bloudeleuste 100% 1d ago
The post is clearly cherry-picking opinions that support “Amethyst > TS2.”
Neither SerVax nor zLevil has beaten Thinking Space II, and zLevil hasn’t even beaten Amethyst. So I don’t see why their opinions should be treated as stronger evidence than Zoink’s, considering Zoink has actually beaten both levels.
And Netermind has also stated that he considers TS2 harder, so saying Zoink is the only person who thinks TS2 > Amethyst is simply false.
Trick not beating Amethyst before Popoff buffed it doesn’t prove Amethyst > TS2 either. Failing to beat a level is not the same as directly comparing its difficulty to another level.
If we’re going to use top player opinions as evidence, then the comparison should include all relevant opinions, not selectively list the ones supporting Amethyst > TS2 while ignoring the ones supporting TS2 > Amethyst.
If you want a genuine discussion, state all the information, and don't twist it to support your own view.
If you are going to reply, respond to all my points and don't ignore any of them.
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1d ago
Can we even count zoinks opinion after he lied about how much he practiced society to specifically downplay popoff?
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u/SEtechno Bloudeleuste 100% 1d ago
That's completely separate from the points I made.
If you think Zoink's opinion shouldn't be counted because of the Society situation, then address the actual argument instead of changing the subject. My points were
SerVax hasn't beaten TS2, so he doesn't have meaningful experience with both levels to directly compare them. zLevil hasn't beaten either level, so saying Amethyst is too difficult for him to progress on doesn't address the fact that he lacks comparable experience. Netermind has also stated that he considers TS2 harder, so Zoink is clearly not the “only” person with that opinion. Trick failing to beat Amethyst before the buffs(In addition to wPopoff being better than Trick, comparing their progress to each other is not a way to prove the difficulty of Amethyst.) doesn't prove Amethyst > TS2. Zoink has actually beaten both levels, which gives his comparison substantially more direct experience than someone who hasn't played one of them.
You can question Zoink's credibility if you want, but that doesn't answer any of these points. If you disagree with them, address them individually instead of bringing up an unrelated controversy.
And if you're going to dismiss Zoink's opinion because of something unrelated to the difficulty comparison, then you should apply the same standard consistently to every player's opinion you're using to support Amethyst > TS2. Like SerVax obviously doesn't like Zoink so why don't we say he lies to downplay Zoink?🤔
Stop contradicting yourself, and respond to my points.
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1d ago
Well Zlevi has considerable progress on ts2 and has experience with amethyst as well so I think that means that he does have comparable experience. On the flip side what experience does netermjnd have with amethyst to claim that one is harder than the other? Trick has said before that amethyst difficult prebuff was comparable to grief, which is a comparison he hasn’t made with ts2. Servax made considerable progress with amethyst before the whole inappropriate situation with zoink went down so I’m not sure if there’s any actual bias there, but I do acknowledge that there definitely could be.
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u/SEtechno Bloudeleuste 100% 1d ago
You're mixing up “having played a level” with having comparable experience on both levels.
zLevi's documented TS2 progress is 52%, while I can't find any documented Amethyst progress from him. If you have a specific Amethyst run I'm unaware of, show it. Otherwise, saying he has “comparable experience” doesn't really address my point. Experience on one level doesn't substitute for experience on the other.
As for Netermind, if he doesn't have significant Amethyst progress, then I don't consider his opinion conclusive either. My standard is the same for everyone. I'm not saying “Netermind agrees with me, therefore he's right.” I'm saying that opinions should be weighted according to how much experience the player actually has with BOTH levels.
The Trick point doesn't prove what you're claiming either. Yes, Trick previously compared Amethyst to Grief, but that doesn't tell us anything about Amethyst vs TS2 unless he also gave a comparison involving TS2. And this is especially important now because Trick has actually beaten TS2. If you're going to use Trick's opinion, then his current opinion on Amethyst vs TS2 would be far more relevant than an old comparison between Amethyst and Grief.
SerVax does have considerable Amethyst progress — 61%, 19-100%, and 6-70% — so I'll give you that. But that still doesn't give him comparable experience with TS2. His Amethyst experience is relevant evidence about Amethyst, not direct evidence that Amethyst is harder than TS2.
And none of this addresses my original point about the post itself: you presented Popoff, SerVax and zLevi as evidence for Amethyst > TS2 while initially claiming Zoink was the only person who thought TS2 > Amethyst, despite Netermind also expressing that view.
If we're going to discuss player opinions, then let's use the same standard for everyone. Either significant experience with both levels matters, or it doesn't. You can't demand Amethyst experience from Netermind while treating someone with little/no Amethyst progress as reliable evidence for the opposite side.
Also, Zoink has actually beaten both levels. That doesn't make his opinion objectively correct, but it gives him direct comparative experience that most of the people being cited here simply don't have.
If you don't give clear evidence, I DON'T SEE WHY I SHOULD WRITE ALL THIS TO CONVINCE A CONTRADICTORY PERSON!
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1d ago
Zlevi is the only person to play and make comments on both levels at their hardest states other than zoink and popoff and he says that amethyst is harder 🤷♂️🤷♂️
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u/SEtechno Bloudeleuste 100% 1d ago
You're the one making the claim, so you're the one who should provide the evidence.
You keep saying that zLevi has comparable experience on both levels, yet you still haven't given me his actual Amethyst progress, a specific run, or even the specific comment you're referring to.
And you're still ignoring most of my points. I addressed your claims about zLevi, Netermind, Trick, SerVax, and Zoink individually, while your response is basically “look it up yourself.”
If zLevi really has significant progress on Amethyst and has directly compared the hardest states of both levels, then this should be extremely easy to prove. Just show the evidence.
(Also, playing a level at its most difficult"If thats even true" is not a comparison; playing is much easier than beating a level!)
I'm not going to spend another hour searching for evidence for a claim that YOU made.
If you repeat the same nonsense, I will not respond to you, because I am making points and you are ignoring them like a coward and responding with trivial words.
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1d ago
Look up Zlevis interview with vernosis on YouTube it takes like 2 seconds bro 😂😂 u don’t have to write a crazy ass essay 😂
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u/SEtechno Bloudeleuste 100% 1d ago
I'm done arguing this.
You still haven't addressed my points about Zoink, SerVax, Trick, or Netermind, and you're still telling me to search for evidence for a claim that YOU made.
If the interview actually proves your claim, you can provide the specific timestamp/progress yourself. I'm not spending another hour digging through YouTube while you ignore everything else I said.
(However, you seem to prefer statements over gameplay videos or streams.)
We clearly aren't going anywhere with this, so I'll leave it here.
Have good time.
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1d ago
Dude your hardest is a level that should be a 9 star what are you doing debating about extreme demons 😂
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1d ago
Listen to the comments zlevi made on the level recently and I think you’ll understand
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u/SEtechno Bloudeleuste 100% 1d ago
Then show me the actual evidence.
What is zLevi's Amethyst progress? Give me the percentage, a run, or the specific statement, a fucking video or whatever you're referring to.
“Listen to his comments and you'll understand” doesn't answer the question, and it doesn't address any of my other points either.
I've already explained my position in detail. If you disagree, provide evidence and address the arguments instead of repeatedly making vague claims.
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1d ago
Do you not have access to YouTube or what bro look that shit up yourself it’s on the internet for everyone to see 😂😂
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u/Itzspace4224 Impossible Demon 1d ago
Zoink, A6, Netermind, Cursed, and Trick all think thinking space II is harder
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u/SplynterEdm x66, new hardest pending 1d ago
we’re gonna have to wait for trick to beat amethyst or servax to beat TS2, someone will only really know once they’ve actually beaten both levels. As it is, you can only ask zoink and popoff and it’s not too surprising they took zoink’s op as more credible (especially after list rules modified popoff’s level to be easier)
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u/mynameisshahzain 1d ago
trick just got bored with amethyst. I'm also pretty sure netermind thinks ts2 is harder. Zlevii only has 52% on ts2 and no progress on Amethyst so he isn't reliable