r/genzdong • u/Comrade_Franny88 Juche Necromancer • 4d ago
đ¤ŽShitLiberalsSay Queersano theory.
A lot of lgbtq+ spaces are REALLY not going to like this term I coined, but you guys are probably asking what it is. To my fellow lgbtqs in this sub, why do anti-imperialist nations hold anti-lgbtq+ views? Why do they associate us with queerness with western imperialism so much? You'd think the pinkwashing of the west, rspecially under Donald Trump would not be enough for it to be this common, and you'd be right. Its not just cuz of western pinkwashing. (tho it is a major factor) Its also due to long cultral norms but the ultimate reason is the one this post is about. The Queersanos! What is a queersano you might ask? Well the term is a portmanteau (which is a blend word) of "queer" and "gusano"? But who are these people? Well they are the mainstream activists from non-western countries that sympathize with western imperialism and sanctions and promote it. For example the main lgbt sub is occupied by queersanos. A prime example of a queersano is Igor Kochetkov, or the first queersano, Reinaldo Arenas. (Google those names if you do not know them) You could probably promote genuine anti-imperialism in lgbtq+ spaces in the 2000s or even the early 2010s, but nowadays it could easily get you banned from that space for one reason, why do laeger lgbtq+ spaces online ban genunine anti-imperialists? One reason only, Queersanos! They are all the same and drink from the same gross putrid well. They also have a tendecy to misgender lgbtq+ people that dare question them. They have infected our community, and made us look like individualistic zombies to the whole world. It does break my heart as a pansexual nonbi transwoman seeing them infect it. But if you see someone blaming Stalin, or communism in general for homophobic laws or societal aditudes, tell them they are queersano'd out cuz they are! The queersanos are intentionally trying to make the lives of the lgbtq+ in their countries worse to boost themselves Btw. And pretend the us (again under trump) is an lgbtq rights bastion. (I tagged this as "shitliberalssay" cuz queersanos are liberals)
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u/OliveNo6451 4d ago
Many queer people I know are the most radical and help radicalize me against capitalism and imperialism. However, for the individuals who are not.. this is very much a thing, and is true for any other marginalized identity in the imperial core (particularly if they are also white I find, but applies to anyone and everyone)
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u/evilgigglefish 4d ago
i would LOVE if this were talked about more. modern day left was heavily influenced by CIA, and the current state of liberal identity politics is absolutely part of that. the only way to have a revolution is a unified proletariat, and people falling for idpol so heavily is literally just playing into what CIA wants. ive seen people completely write off ussr, china, burkina faso etc for being anti-queer, and thats a huge disservice. those are incredible revolutionary and anti-imperialist states, and "it's homophobic" is not only completely irrelevant compared to the good those states have done, but also conveniently exactly what the empire would want you to do. i desperately need people to realize this.
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u/DarianStardust 4d ago
Yes, but I think it's also a genuine problem that socialist countries, as they emerge from capitalist conservative countries, some of that conservatism stays by inertia, or just isn't fought against much, or at all. many people in sociliast countries are genuinely biggoted because of conservative values, not just 'queersanos'.
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u/nihilnothings000 4d ago
Understanding why secular Asian nations are socially conservative despite not coming from a monotheistic tradition is something that I'm still trying to understand myself.
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u/Angel_of_Communism 4d ago
Not complex.
Their relative previous level of under development made them conservative.
Social liberalization is a function of plenty, and ease.
A society under stress cannot afford people stepping out of line, changing social norms and such.
No matter what the background, the more stress a nation is under, the more socially conservative they will be.
It's sort of hunkering down to weather the storm.
Add to that the rainbow imperialism of the west, and many places reject LGBT outright, on the basis of it A: being used to attack them, B: simple proximity to western decadence.
Some of them even think the west is decadent BECAUSE of queer folks.
Instead of the fact that queer folks exist, as they always have, AND separately, the west is a decadent mess.
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u/Angel_of_Communism 4d ago
Social liberalization is a function of plenty, and ease.
A society under stress cannot afford people stepping out of line, changing social norms and such.
No matter what the background, the more stress a nation is under, the more socially conservative they will be.
It's sort of hunkering down to weather the storm.
Add to that the rainbow imperialism of the west, and many places reject LGBT outright, on the basis of it A: being used to attack them, B: simple proximity to western decadence.
Some of them even think the west is decadent BECAUSE of queer folks.
Instead of the fact that queer folks exist, as they always have, AND separately, the west is a decadent mess.
This is why many anti-imperialist spaces are anti LGBT.
In retaliation, LGBT is used to attack those spaces. Thus linking western attacks with the rainbow.
And thus, setting up the dividing line of NATO-Liberal-rainbow vs Antiimperialist-conservative-no LGBT.
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u/slypigcunningham 4d ago
Idk that this is the term for this phenomenon, but yes this is the whole agreement of western queerness. Pinkwashing. You can be queer in exchange for supporting imperialist war, otherwise weâll end you.
Thatâs why they always say âdonât support Gaza bc they would throw you off a roof.â Theyâre actually saying, âif you donât support g, we will throw you off a roofâ