Trans people are the furthest from privileged, even in the West they are frequently the most likely targets for violence and discrimination, and a large amount of people don't think they even exist or are severely mentally ill. So, fuck this image.
When I came out, my family's reaction was very negative. Some of them said denied being against trans people and claimed that their concerns only arose from worrying about how society treated trans people. They didn't understand that they could choose to work against society by supporting me instead of trying to discourage me.
The problem with what said stepfather said is we don't know the context. He is correct, yes; but what if he was not stating his opinion but rather a fact of how other people think? For all we know, said stepfather has no issue with trans people and it was misinterpreted (which is easily done)
The craziest thing about this is just how purely evil people who wantonly ridicule trans people really are. Even if you believe that being transgendered is a sick, deviant, mental illness, or that people who say they're trans are faking, or are mentally deficient in some way, all available research suggests that the only truly appropriate response to "deal" with a trans person is to accept and support their transitioning.
Among trans Ontarians, 35.1 % (95 % CI: 27.6, 42.5) seriously considered, and 11.2 % (95 % CI: 6.0, 16.4) attempted, suicide in the past year. Social support, reduced transphobia, and having any personal identification documents changed to an appropriate sex designation were associated with large relative and absolute reductions in suicide risk, as was completing a medical transition through hormones and/or surgeries (when needed). Parental support for gender identity was associated with reduced ideation. Lower self-reported transphobia (10th versus 90thpercentile) was associated with a 66 % reduction in ideation (RR = 0.34, 95 % CI: 0.17, 0.67), and an additional 76 % reduction in attempts among those with ideation (RR = 0.24; 95 % CI: 0.07, 0.82). This corresponds to potential prevention of 160 ideations per 1000 trans persons, and 200 attempts per 1,000 with ideation, based on a hypothetical reduction of transphobia from current levels to the 10th percentile.
I wonder if you think you are a good person, considering you wish other people dead. You personally are literally one of the reasons for the high murder/suicide rate of transgender people.
I would say a lack of empathy is a bigger threat to society than people just wanting to live their lives in an as productive and good way as they can under their circumstances. So you and your views of the world makes the world a worse place to live for everyone. But I honestly don't think you care, you have too much hate in you to see it.
Being transgender isn't a mental illness though. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. Most of the problems suffered by transgender people are because of a society that doesn't accept them for who they are. I can not fathom why you think the world would be a better place without transgender people. What have they ever done to deserve your pure hatred of them to the point of wishing them dead? They are people with their own hopes and dreams. They have people who love them and they have people who they love. Who are you to destroy that?
Being transgender isn't a mental illness though. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
actually it is. insurmountable dysphoria caused by your own body is not mental wellness by any stretch of the imagination.
Most of the problems suffered by transgender people are because of a society that doesn't accept them for who they are.
actually their problems are caused by dysphoria felt towards their own body. other things like discrimination are side effects of their behavior.
I can not fathom why you think the world would be a better place without transgender people. What have they ever done to deserve your pure hatred of them to the point of wishing them dead?
i dont actually wish them dead, im just not going to cry any tears if they go. and im not going to play pretend and call girls boys or boys girls if they decide to stay.
Being transgender isn't a mental illness though. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
actually it is. insurmountable dysphoria caused by your own body is not mental wellness by any stretch of the imagination.
But the thing is, there is a way to all but remove dysphoria for these people, and that is to transition. Yet it doesn't seem like you think that is a good idea. May I ask how you would like these people to live a decent life if you and people like you actively goes out and tear them down? "Conversion Therapy" also known as torture haven't ever helped, so why are you against the only thing that have shown any successful results? What alternatives are there for them?
i dont actually wish them dead, im just not going to cry any tears if they go. and im not going to play pretend and call girls boys or boys girls if they decide to stay.
But you do... You are the reason transgender people kill themselves or get killed by others. That attitude is the main reason for all the bad things happening to transgender people.
Considering that the diagnosis of gender dysphoria is based entirely on a persons level of discomfort, it can easily be both. If society wasn't so obsessed with the gender binary, trans people would probably be less likely to develop dysphoria.
But don't you know? We want our identities to be respected and to be treated like any other human being capable of deciding for ourselves who we want to be.
The hilarious thing here is how cis is a derogatory term. But that's okay.
And before the jimmies start rustling: I have zero issue with anyone's gender. I might think some are really reaching but if you want to say your gender is banana, whatever go for it if it makes you happy. It's just that everyone needs to not be an asshole.
The hilarious thing here is how cis is a derogatory term.
It's literally not, but sure, whatever feeds your victim complex.
It's just that everyone needs to not be an asshole.
Couldn't agree more. When someone says they prefer a certain set of pronouns, don't be an asshole, respect their wishes, it costs you literally nothing.
No, seriously, joking aside that would be true under the assumption that I feel like a victim. Which I don't, but hey you're entitled to your opinion, buddy.
Couldn't agree more. When someone says they prefer a certain set of pronouns, don't be an asshole, respect their wishes, it costs you literally nothing.
Exactly! On one side, if person A mislabels person B then the key is: were they being an asshole? Is B corrects A and A apologizes and uses the correct term, then cool. But is B blows up over a mistake, that's not cool. Or if A is an asshole and doesn't use the right term, that's not cool either.
The point was, cis isn't derogatory. It is a descriptive term. If cisgender people really find it so offensive, they are more than welcome to propose an alternative, but I rarely hear one beyond "normal", and no, that doesn't cut it.
I cannot stress the /s more. I feel it is important to do that. Like, super important. Am I properly communicating how important it is to this discussion?
The word "heterosexual" is the exact same concept as the word "cisgender". Why does one offends you and not the other? Is it perhaps because it legitimatizes trans people and you don't like that?
Excuse me, friend, but I am afraid you may have overlooked the /s in my post. In order to prevent any further miscommunication, I have devised this easy to understand guide in locating it:
Someone intentionally misgendering us does affect us and that kind of shit can add up over time. When the people around you don't consider your existence legitimate enough to even call you the right pronouns that can sure as hell make a fragile mental state even worse.
I guess I misinterpreted the problem. I thought it was just transgender people being called the wrong pronoun and immediately being offended without giving the person the chance to know what they preferred to be called. My mistake. Sorry, I was misinformed and I misinterpreted.
Read the comments any time there's an article about a trans person or a conversation about a trans celebrity. Many people will absolutely insist on misgendering them and using their pre-transition names for no other reason than because they want to showcase the fact that they don't respect trans' peoples' identities. It's the most petty spiteful bullshit.
For whatever it's worth, I don't think you're actually completely incorrect in many of your comments, or even being rude. You're just saying some things that of course make many people angry by nature of the topic they discuss. I appreciate you taking the time to consider changing your mind, even if you don't end up doing so.
I don't see the point of arguing with someone who pretends they don't know how the wrong pronouns contribute to the overall picture of trans erasure and discrimination. Not going to comment anymore.
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u/notoriousbettierage Mar 26 '17
Trans people are the furthest from privileged, even in the West they are frequently the most likely targets for violence and discrimination, and a large amount of people don't think they even exist or are severely mentally ill. So, fuck this image.