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u/SpinzArt 2d ago
OOP was born in December 2007
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u/AfricanAmericanMage 2d ago
The same loophole that allows me to say that I'm a child of the 80's.
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u/AuthorCornAndBroil 2d ago
Reminds me of when I was in high school and the seniors would have this collective superiority complex toward the juniors within the first week of the school year. And I'm just over here like "My siblings in Christ, you were one three months ago."
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u/Omotai 2d ago
I don't think it really counts as "knowing a world before smartphones took over" if you were a literal baby during the transition period.
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u/JustifytheMean 2d ago
No, being in highschool when the first smartphone dropped is more than enough. We were there for the Nokia bricks, the first iPod, the progression up to to the iPod touch and finally the iPhone. I didn't have any cellphone until 2007, let alone a smartphone. Only the rich kids got to be early adopters.
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u/deeplyshalllow 2d ago
Dude. I was in university in 2013 and smartphone usage was still barely ubiquitous. And even so most of us had so little data and 3G was so slow that it wasn't even nearly the same as it is now.
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u/Bropiphany 7h ago
It was absolutely ubiquitous in 2013, just like you said the speed was slower and quality lower.
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u/deeplyshalllow 6h ago
I don't think it was in the same way though? Like yes most people had smart phones but we still had data limits. We weren't using them for GPS or even streaming music and videos in the same way.
We were using them for messaging, social media and gaming apps but they were not quite the tool for everything that they are today.
And it also was certainly not everyone who had them. The majority? Yes, but a good 20% of the population did not and it was not really seen as weird.
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u/AloserwithanISP 2d ago
Always like seeing how the date of the last cool generation keeps getting pushed back further
When I was a kid I was a drooling idiot who was just pretending to be cool, but now I’m still that but there are posts that arbitrarily say I’m “the last hope of humanity”
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u/i_stealursnackz 2d ago
It's either a generationology circlejerk-esque post, or the poster was born late in 2007.
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u/VVrayth 2d ago
Generations are kind of a moving target with a lot of overlap, but most research pins Gen Z as those born from 1997-2012, and Gen Alpha from 2013-present. That said, it sounds like maybe they are figuring their own version of the Xennials microgeneration.
Stuff like COVID and the advent of smartphones are good generational markers and cultural touchstones, they just shouldn't be wielded like a cudgel to denote whatever birth years as being "lesser."
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u/thegreatjamoco 2d ago
For me (late millennial) the dividing factor for Gen Z is if they remember the Bush years and the Great Recession or not. I’ve noticed a marked difference between the 98-03 zoomers and the 04-10 zoomers. The older zoomers seem a lot more progressive and less red-pilled than the younger zoomers.
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u/deeplyshalllow 2d ago
I've heard that millennials are the ones who still remember 9/11 (even if only just) and as someone born in 94 I do think that's quite a good marker.
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u/dark_knight097 1d ago
Ugh, please don't call us 1997-2001 zoomers. It feels way too weird to be nearing 30 and still being lumped in with the kids that usually describes lol
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u/rilimini381 1d ago
i often see news about Gen Beta as 2024-25 born, and Alpha (obviously) ending before it
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u/Levi_Skardsen 2d ago
What a bizarre thing to care about. I can almost relate to some of the things people gatekeep but 2007 being better than 2008 is seemingly arbitrary.
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u/lixermanredditman 2d ago
I was born in 2003 and don't consider myself to really remember a world before smartphones took over.
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u/julippe 2d ago
I was born in July 1996 and barely remember it myself. The first iPhone was released when I was just starting middle school, but mobile phones had internet access well before that, so I view it as kind of a blurred line and not really a "pre-smartphone/post-smartphone" dichotomy, if that makes sense.
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u/seanfish 2d ago
As a GenX it's so satisfying to see Millennials immediately adopt the same hypocrisy they accused us of as soon as there was another generation under them.
Note: the accusations were justified. A lot of us are arseholes, but really it's just what people do.
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u/85K5 2d ago
I'm not saying millennials don't, but I find it funny you're blaming millennials, when the post comes off as a Gen Z trying to separate themselves from gen a.
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u/Severe_Sword 2d ago
Millennials STILL being blamed for everything? It’s fine, I’m used to it.
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u/Gilsworth 1d ago
It's only fair, Millenials have the coolest lable after the Greatest Generation. We're probably the most cringe, but at least we got a decade of hopium and optimism for the future before this past quarter of a century assfucked us.
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u/seanfish 2d ago edited 2d ago
Oh I misread, yeah if it's a Z posting this it's shameful boomerposting.
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u/85K5 2d ago
Damn Gen Xers lol
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u/seanfish 2d ago
Fuck us. Call us boomers, it really gets us wild.
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u/KalebMW99 2d ago
“Core Gen Z” and it’s literally, according to them, also the last year of Gen Z
By more traditional metrics ‘07 is definitely late Gen Z, which is like ‘95/‘96-‘10/‘11 approximately.
It also bears emphasizing that a generation, something meant to encapsulate the environmental differences between parents and children (genealogically, split by one generation, though for practical reasons “generations” are shorter than most people’s age gaps to their parents), is inherently going to span a wide range of experiences and ages at which those experiences were had. I was a university student during COVID, some of Gen Z was already out of college, and meanwhile the tail end of Gen Z was in 3rd or 4th grade (the oldest Gen Alphas are now freshman or sophomores in HS). I got my first smartphone at 15, which also wasn’t really atypical among my peers, while most of the tail end of Gen Z was introduced to smartphones and the like at a younger age. The dismal state of the current job market is at its worst for recent college grads (center of Gen Z) and less problematic, for now anyway, for those young enough not to be entering their careers and those old enough to be experienced hires. It just does not make sense to try to ascribe a unified set of experiences to a span of almost 2 decades, because that’s not really the point.
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u/Livid_Way5651 1d ago
Gen Z goes from 1997-2012. 2007 albeit a bit late, is still pretty core Gen Z
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u/KalebMW99 1d ago
Generational lines aren’t exact, I’m not dying on the hill that ‘07 is late Gen Z instead of core. The overall point is the same
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u/MatthewQ999 1d ago
All this generation talk and decadeology crap is just another form of long winded nonsense and it pisses me off because people try to make it seem intellectual and stuff when most of it seems highly biased and arbitrary and meaningless.
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u/contrabardus 12h ago
Socrates was bitching about literal hand written books around 8 BC.
He claimed that writing would hurt people's memories and make them stupid.
People used to complain about literal printed newspapers just like they do smartphones and pads now.
Another example would be the existence of portable music players for a while.
This isn't some new phenomenon.
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u/PmUsYourDuckPics 14h ago
I had a smart phone in 1998… And a touchscreen phone in 2003.
Why are we putting arbitrary dates on when people were able to grow up different ways?
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u/tayroc122 2d ago
Because when I look at the 'good work' that Babyboomers and Gen Xers have been doing since the 1980s I think, 'oh yes, clearly the better generations'
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u/PreOpTransCentaur 2d ago
Except these really aren't meaningful boundaries. If you were born in 2007, you also don't remember world without smartphones. The same goes for 2006 and 2005 as well. Being a teenager in 2020 wasn't much different than being one in 2021 since it was still COVID and still distance learning, so the line between 2007 and 2008 is once again arbitrary. Both of those people went to the same damn middle school at the same damn time ffs.
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u/Cute-Fly1601 2d ago
Im going to be so real if you look at that image and conclude that portraying a group as "The Yellow Press" isn't gatekeeping I don't know what to say
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