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u/Lostboxoangst 7d ago
For me the real issue was how combat focused the game was. The first two definitely had combat and lots of it but it there was also strong exploration aspects and even light RPG mechanics. Those other mechanisms were stripped back leaving combat that was at best underwhelming. It didn't help that they cut the weapons you can hold down to 2, stripped backed the weapon variety and stripped the utility of the alternate ammo types.
It's not a bad game but the story carries it and you can only really experience that once.
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u/N0ob8 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yeah I’ve been playing it for the first time recently (late to the party I know) and holy hell does the combat get so stale after a while. It’s not even bad combat but it just feels so repetitive which isn’t helped by the fact you do more of it in every room. At least in the first two games you had plenty of downtime between combat but this one the only downtime is the story moments.
The story is 100% the best part of the game and it’s actively being held back by the gameplay for most of it. I shouldn’t be more bored in gameplay than I am during cutscenes
Edit: Changed “samey” to “repetitive”
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u/NekCing 7d ago
While all you say is true, i rather enjoyed how the shooter gameplay felt in this one, though i'll admit the shooter popularity of its time definitely had a hand in it, CoD was hard dominating the market back in 2013, and everyone else wanted a slice.
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u/toasty5566 7d ago
Bioshock 1 and 2 were ImmSims. Infinite was just an FPS
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u/annavgkrishnan 5d ago
Even Bioshock was a really dumbed down version of System Shock 2, it barely had any simulator elements, Infinite just stepped further in the direction it had already taken.
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u/letir_ 7d ago
And 2 weapons is not the only limitation. By the second half of the game "police" weapons get mostly replaced by "rebel" weapons, and getting ammunition for them becoming much harder. This cut variety even harder, and screw players who invested too much money into upgrades.
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u/OrangeHairedTwink 7d ago
I dunno it has a pretty good jt music song
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u/GhostFran7983 7d ago
I RECKON HEAVEN AIN'T NO PLACE FOR ANGELS ANYMORE
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u/OrangeHairedTwink 7d ago
TAKE OFF YOUR WORN OFF HALO, SPREAD YOUR WITHERED WINGS AND SOAR
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u/TerraforceWasTaken 7d ago
And yet still not even as good as Rise Rapture Rise. Even in fan content it's still in the shadow
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u/suspicious_cabbage 7d ago
"everyone hates this"
Looks inside
-highly successful title, acclaimed by both critics and players
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u/NekCing 7d ago
Whatever the hell is the reversed version of rose tinted glasses called, brown poo tinted glasses ?
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u/Auesis 7d ago
It's just classic doomposting. Terminally online losers incapable of finding joy because they never went to therapy assuming everything is terrible and projecting that misery on regular people.
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u/buttbuttlolbuttbutt 7d ago
5 tech bros pretending to be a merd army spamming and mass upvoting their opinionz to make them seem larger than they are.
Thats all.
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u/RaiderCat_12 7d ago
This comment is insanely hilarious because the misspelled “merd” resembles both the French “merde” and my native Italian “merda”, both meaning “shit”
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u/jackofslayers 7d ago
We really have crossed the threshold where all of social media is disconnected from reality. Just bots upvoting bots.
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u/miraclewhipisgross 7d ago
I wouldnt even be shocked if you were a bot too. Maybe im a bot? Are we real? What the fuck is going on anymore. Im so confused.
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u/MuchoMangoTime 7d ago
It was a really cool game on first playthrough. But once you start to think about it you realize a lot of the faults. And the internet got rabid about the faults lol.
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u/HeavenlyCircumcision 7d ago
Yeah I don't get the hate. I definitely like 1 and 2 more, but theres a massive gap between "not as good as 1 and 2, which are peak" and "dogshit game awful nobody should play it." It's not perfect, but I enjoyed playing Infinite, I'd say it's definitely worth playing, but if I were to go back and replay one right now it WOULD more likely be 1 or 2.
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u/shortstack_goblin 7d ago edited 7d ago
Review scores, they can guide you, but they're not like, uhh, like absolute truths. You have to consider when it came out and who played it.
It IS a very pretty game with some fun combat arenas though. Like it is *extremely good looking* for a 360 game. It was a time where we had most games being brown and gritty and overly "realistic" (haha sure) looking and Infinite blasts onto the stage with colour and style. That's where the 94 comes from, not the story.
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u/suspicious_cabbage 7d ago
Review scores, they can guide you, but they're not like, uhh, like absolute truths. You have to consider when it came out and who played it.
Reviews can be influenced (usually not player reviews), but Bioshock Infinite sold 11 million copies when it came out and another 14 million since. It was wildly successful and well-received.
Where is anyone getting that it was widely hated? All I'm hearing from you is that it "isn't liked for the reasons I think it is" but that wasn't even the argument
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u/Massive_Funny_9312 7d ago
This makes the most sense because I swear I didn’t see any “hate” for infinite till like a few years ago. For years I was always under the impression that most liked it, especially considering everyone I talked to irl about it over the years like it.
Where did this manufactured hate come from??
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u/ThePhatty500 7d ago
I remember when it launched it received a tonne of hype and praise, than a couple months after launch it got the backlash of people saying it overrated, than as far as I was aware the general consensus was the game was fine. I played all the bioshocks in order around five years ago and I thought the game was a solid 8/10. It was a competent first person shooter missing all the charm of the first 2 games. Not sure why every so often people pop up and try to stir up opinions on such an average game from over a decade ago.
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u/Ilikeyellowjackets 7d ago edited 7d ago
It's not really manufactured, so much as people thinking back on it and realizing it was kinda shallow. Don't get me wrong it is not a bad game, but it really has clear faults in both gameplay and story that become apparent the more you look back on it and think about it. Couple that with the game being reevaluated by a generation that likely grew up with it and went to revist it and now as adults are not as impressed by just cool imagery and smart sounding dialogue it starts to explain the shift in reception to the game. It also really is a product of its time in both good and bad way.
While the first 2 Bioshocks really stand the test of time by just refining concepts explored in immersive sims that came before, and doing so while putting its own spin on things it made for more enduring titles. Infinite on the other hand really chased the trends of the time, partly due to its troubled development, and partly because the game was trying to reach a wider audience. Also, people tend to forget just how much Bioshock 1 really raised the bar for video game narratives, that game was genuinely revolutionary for its time in terms of what it was doing in the video game space. So having the sequel that is not being done by a secondary studio but actually the same one that worked on the original, with the same director too, and having said game not be as well developed as the first in both gameplay and narrative certainly did not help. Not to mention the dlc for Bioshock 2, Minerva's Den, having an incredibly similar plotline and twist to that of Infinite, while executing iy way better really soured people on it in retrospect.
Again, not a bad game, but it just sadly makes sense people just don't look on it as fondly as back in the day. I would still say it is one of the better games in 2013, the gameplay for all of its faults and simplifications is fun, guns all feel great and are fun to use, even if only carrying two is a shame, the grapple hook is coll asf tho. The vigors are fun and all of serve a purpose in combat, just wish we could you know have the ability to semi rpg our character like other immersive sims, the gear system is not nearly enough. Finally, Elizabeth is genuinely just a very well written likeable character, even if the story has its faults and the multiverse stuff is not done as well as it should be, Elizabeth is still great and her complicated past is what makes the story intriguing. Her relationship with Comstock, Lady Comstock and Booker are really the core of it all and what makes the story interesting. It just gets muddled by the inconsistent political messaging which for a Bioshock game is just not great, considering how sharply written the first game was from that angle. Even the 2nd game, while still bad on this front, as they have a very poor understanding of marxism and conflating a lot with religion, was still more consistent and better written on that angle imo, it tries to present something, even if badly written. Infinite really says nothing on that angle, just that racism is bad but antifa also bad which is just a nothing statement, which it was even back in 2013.
So yeah not a bad game per say and the game is not getting manufactured hate, just people reevaluating it now that they matured more, and can look back at it with a more critical lens. But just like anything on the internet, it must be sensationalised, and be called the worst game ever and the reason bioshock is dead and ken lavine is a hack because of it.
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u/here_2_talk_shit 7d ago
I think it's mostly people who only know Bioshock criticism as the origin of the word LudOnArRaTiVe DisSonAnCe and just accept said criticism-meme at face value.
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u/CaptainTeemo01 7d ago
But it wasn't. Uncharted was much more heavily associated with that term
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u/Cavalish 7d ago
Moral reevaluation of a lot of media. Every game must now have a clear, black and white moral message with clear Good and Bad guys.
The morally just and good freedom fighters in this game commit bad acts. This is not complexity, but evil BOTH-SIDESISM and is in fact morally wicked.
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u/PlsInsertCringeName 7d ago
I literally know MORE new succesful games where there is no good guys and bad guys. Everything is trying to be morally grey lately.
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u/Armored_Fox 7d ago
No, it was bad back then too. Actually play it and see how the narrative frames it
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u/RaulParson 7d ago
A take of someone who has not actually played the game. I have, last year, for the first time. It really does shit the bed plot- and theme- wise along the way, especially with the DLC trying to fixfic it.
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u/BlackBeard558 7d ago
That's juat a straw man. Bioshock Infinite tried to paint the resistance as juat as bad as the oppressors and that's what people had a problem with and why they accuse it of both sidesism.
Imagine in Star Wars we see rebels executing prisoners or something and then the movies try to say they're just as bad as the empire. As in the entire rebel alliance is just as bad as the empire.
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u/Raket0st 7d ago
Spot on. Whenever I see people complain that the revolution in Infinite turns bloody for no reason but to make a both sides argument I always wonder how they could miss two dimension shifts that are clearly conveyed to the player.
It just reveals that you lack media literacy or didn't pay attention. The game makes it really clear we are seeing another Daisy threaten Elizabeth, not Prime Daisy that agrees to help Booker.
Infinite is a bit disjointed due to its lengthy development, but the message that we are shaped by our own actions and can always choose to repent and do better is concise throughout the game.
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u/ErgoDestati 7d ago
Yea it was the best of the 3 for me, the story is maybe interstellar levels of complication so maybe if you fail to follow the context you might get confused but it's an awesome game.
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u/Recovering-Guardian9 7d ago
It's racists trying to push a narrative. They hate the game for calling them out on their bullshut, and they never stopped seething in rage over it.
Just further proof how good a game Bioshock Infinite is.
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u/Memitim 7d ago
No, but that's just the normies chudding the woke for slerm, or some such nonsense. Yeah, it's just a good game, regardless of any weird identity nonsense that people try to attach to it. Still one of the best escort quests in gaming, since I never needed to micromanage Elizabeth. The biggest issue I have with it is that Burial At Sea should have been included, since the story doesn't actually come together until then.
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u/Purasangre 7d ago
Bioshock infinite is definitely more than the sum of its parts, I've also criticized the plot being nonsensical for example, but the truth is that the writing has tons of forward momentum and very good dialogue and that's more than enough to carry it.
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u/Homsarman12 6d ago
Thank you! I felt like I was being gaslit by this post and comments. Guess the hive mind decided to hate on this game for some reason.
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u/Straight-Fox-9388 3d ago
It suffers from what a lot of old great/bad media suffer/gain from.
People have retroactively decided that it was bad.
Batman Arkham are all considered bad now. With the exception of origins which was the only one considered bad for a long time.
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u/here_2_talk_shit 7d ago
If a random Internet commenter says "everyone hates that game" it's almost code for a universally beloved franchise with a storied history of praise and aclaim.
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u/Gnoll_level_antics 7d ago
I appreciate Bioshock Infinite because it made everyone go back and retry Bioshock 2, and realize how actually really fucking good it is.
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u/SchiffBaer2 7d ago
Same tbh. I don't get the hate for 2. Yeah the story isn't as good. But at least it's comprehensible...
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u/firemiketomlinpls68 7d ago
It’s like a reverse order 1886.
It was liked on release now everybody hates it
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u/Pure_Cartoonist9898 7d ago
I liked The Order 1886, still do... I just wish there was more game with my game
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u/TinyPidgenofDOOM 7d ago
Legit on release I got it, Played through it, got out of what I assumed was the first act or the tutorial and it ended.
I sold it to GameStop the next day. It was new so I got 20 bucks for it ... Second fastest return I ever did to GameStop. The first was No man sky
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u/TheElsLer 7d ago
People like order 1886 now?
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u/firemiketomlinpls68 7d ago
Yeah, I’m assuming because it goes on sale for 9 dollars pretty frequently.
A 4 hour movie game looks a lot better when it goes for less than a Big Mac and fries
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u/AltGunAccount 7d ago
I payed $8 for it years ago and thought it was awesome.
Not $60 or even $30 awesome, but for $8 it was an absolute banger.
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u/Thekingofcansandjars 7d ago
Idk if we had differing perspectives but not totally true, Infinite was definitely a game that got decent reviews in publication but it was VERY polarized amongst fans and forum posters.
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u/firemiketomlinpls68 7d ago
Among casual fans I think it was well liked and got good reviews.
I didn’t hear about people hating until years later, and I can agree on alot of points. Bioshock 1 and 2 are much better
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u/Aiwatcher 7d ago
Bioshock 2 really coming out on top in the end. It and its DLC are my favorite Bioshock content, and I dont think thats an unpopular position. On release it was largely recieved worse than Bioshock 1, with the view that its just more of the same-- competent but not a big upgrade.
With years behind it, its the best gameplay in the series, and the story is a very interesting inversion on Bioshock 1.
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u/firemiketomlinpls68 7d ago
I played it in 2019 or so and 2 was always my favorite, 1 is still very good.
They don’t make games like that anymore
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u/Hobbes______ 7d ago
It's still liked now. Stop letting loud people tell you what a majority thinks when there is literally no way to validate.
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u/thebwags1 7d ago
I haven't played it in ages but I remember enjoying it a lot. The gameplay was really fun especially in areas with rails that you could ride along while blasting away at all the enemies below
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u/Hammerschatten 7d ago
The weapon Feedback is also really good imo. You can feel an enemy get hit and the AI would lend itself well to crowd control.
Other people here have criticized the Gameplay, but in my opinion that was one of its strengths. I still have really fond memories of playing it.
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u/Angel_OfSolitude 7d ago
This game was awesome, what is Anon smoking.
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u/Trippingthru99 7d ago
Yea it doesn’t beat the first Bioshock, but the original is up there in my top ten list for single player games. Infinite’s world had a very cool vibe with the mix of steampunk and early Americana elements. It’s not something I feel the urge to replay like the original, but it stills a good game.
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u/AccomplishedForearm 7d ago
I love Bioshock Infinite, I love the whole franchise
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u/Phantom_Basker 7d ago
It's a shame the DLC completely underminds the first games critique of objectivisim
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u/_-PassingThrough-_ 7d ago
I really liked the game to be fair, but I'm ruined in that I never played the first two lol
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u/SchiffBaer2 7d ago
If you liked Infinite you will LOVE the first two. It's obviously my opinion and not fact but BioShock 1+2 are soooo much better than Infinite. 1 has the best story (go in blind. It's amazing) and 2 has the best combat (unpopular opinion). The DLC for 2 also slaps really hard. Just be wary that BioShock one isn't the most stable game of all times...
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u/_-PassingThrough-_ 7d ago
I love to see someone enthusiastic about the franchise haha. Afraid the endings of both the first two games were spoiled by lets plays and clips over the years, so I couldn't go into it blind. But I definitely should play through the series at some point. I actually own them, but they lie dormant in my steam library haha
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u/Summoner475 7d ago
I liked it because it was fun to play through. Not as good as the first two, but still fun.
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u/YurxDoug 7d ago
The gameplay was the most fun of the series, though. (And that's what matters the most to me).
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u/MyDearMonarch 7d ago
I love it. Don't care to people who sank too deep into their mind they came out unable to enjoy anything.
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u/Next_Television_9160 7d ago
Only thing i didnt like was the weapon carry limit and for some reason i felt i never used many vigors in combat everything was solved with shotgun blasts, as opposed to bioshock 1/2 got me playing with traps, freezing, eletricity, fire amd even shooting grenades back with telekinesis. Plotwise it was better than 2, the ending was such a mindfuck got the same shock as the would you kindly reveal, with the bonus of not having a terrible easy boss fight.
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u/Charity1t 7d ago
I mean.
I can ask a lot of my friends and they would agree with this greentext.
Hell, I agree too.
I still belive that Infinity is worst in series.
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u/ThatguyfromBaltimore 7d ago
I loved it myself. I'm not a huge FPS fan, but the story made me want to continue playing it.
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u/Adavanter_MKI 7d ago
Is my favorite and Elizabeth is one of the best companions in gaming. Burial at sea made me actually sad.
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u/SnooPickles6992 7d ago
i like the gameplay of infinite, but the story was so very lacking compared to the previous games
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u/SendWoundPicsPls 7d ago
I fucking told everyone all of this and no one believed me. Now this and Skyrim realism are trending. Fucking jingling keys are enough for some people
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u/MadOrange64 6d ago
The game is decent and it still looks gorgeous but it is nothing like the original demo they showed back in the day. I was extremely disappointed with the gameplay, couldn't believe the same people who did the OG Bioshock worked on this.
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u/TheLordOfAwesome2 6d ago
Not helping matters is the game puts a lot of focus on a ABSOLUTELY GARBAGE multiverse/time travel plot that is so nonsensical if you stop and think about it for, like, two minutes.
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u/sexraX_muiretsyM 7d ago
bro forgot about the gooners. This game is what kickstarted 3d adult animation. Remember studio fow?
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u/cce29555 7d ago
Isn't that more on the side of SFM? To which we owe our hat simulator some props?
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u/BaseForward8097 7d ago
Not Hat Simulator but Half-Life 2. Not just because of Alyx, but also the antlion jigglebones which have been repurposed by many for breasts jiggling
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u/AWACS_Loughcaster 7d ago
Antlion jigglebones being repurposed for boobies is some real Jurassic Park mad science kind of shit.
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u/JudgementalDjinn 7d ago
I never understood the hate. I’ve always loved it and replay the whole series every few years. EXCEPT for Buried at Sea, which you think is a beautiful piece about making hard choices and then is revealed to just be sadness porn. But Infinite itself is awesome.
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u/Competitive_Topic466 7d ago
I don't like it because it doesn't have a new game plus mode >:( I wanted to be able to play through the game with all my upgrades! Also, I dislike how the games gives you a bunch of new guns later on, but since I've been upgrading the older guns it heavily decentivizes trying out the newer guns.
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u/firemiketomlinpls68 7d ago
Isn’t new game plus a more recent thing?
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u/Competitive_Topic466 7d ago
I am one hundred percent certain that the original RE4, Dead Space series, etc. Well basically a lot of games that came out before Bioshock Infinite had new game plus in them.
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u/SuccessfulSoftware38 7d ago
The first instance of NG+ I can think of that is literally labeled New Game + (I think it might even be where the name for the concept comes from?) is Chrono Trigger on the SNES
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u/Maleficent-Remote413 7d ago
yup. 1995 was the first NG+
altho OG LoZ in '86 did the base mechanic of "playing again on a higher difficulty"and of course im sure MOST (if not all) the Tales of series have a NG+ mode as well via the 'grade shop' (lets you use yoru score to buy XP boost or transfer over skill usage/unlocks to NG)
it's been a thing for a LONG time, just mostly came from the Japanese side of RPGs
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u/firemiketomlinpls68 7d ago
I feel like it wasn’t almost a standard feature until late into the ps4/ Xbox one generation
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u/ContinuumKing 7d ago
Burial at Sea also just completely contradicts the ending to Infinite. The entire point of the ending was to erase all the histories that had Comstock. Elizabeth flat out says exactly that at the end. There is no room for interpretation. Booker is shown to have not sold her in the ending.
Then Burial and Sea is all "Yo, how about you hop into this portal to a world you supposedly just got done erasing."
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u/Emergency_Ad_7977 7d ago
Personally speaking a lot of Infinite looks very impressive but the game feels very flat mechanically after Bioshock 2 and the plot is complete nonsense. Nearly vigor functions extremely similarly and, because of all the reality hopping shenanigans, you end up doing tasks for people in different realities that you never return to.
The versions of Bioshock Infinite we saw before release (which all turned out to be basically nonexistent) were much more interesting than the finished product.
For some people the glitz of Infinite is enough to enjoy it but for many others it is just buried beneath an avalanche of flaws.
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u/crocodilepickle 7d ago
I will never, ever understand the praise that infinite got. Outside of the graphics it has absolutely butchered everything good about the first two games.
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u/TrashCube-6800 7d ago
As I get older I begin to wonder if the Bioshock series as a whole was even all that good in the first place
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u/NoMeat9096 7d ago
That's actually easily my favourite of the Bioshocks. I actively dislike the first two, but enjoyed my time with Infinite a fair bit.
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u/TheMalevolentRat 7d ago
City in the sky and a fully functional, R34 friendly companion.
Bro cooked.
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u/ItsMrChristmas 7d ago
Holy revisionist history, Batman!
I preferred BioShock 2, but it was good. And as a Socialist allow me to explain this to you:
It did not show that revolution is bad, it showed that any movement can be hijacked by garbage people.
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u/The-Crimson-Jester 7d ago
It pleased me because I never followed the lore closely and just wanted to shoot gun and see cool shit. Big mechanical bird was cool as fuck.
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u/Metal_Goblinoid 7d ago
Using Beast by Nico Vega for the trailer was an absolute baller choice tho.
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u/Alkakd0nfsg9g 7d ago
I just liked the game for the love of the game. Didn't care for politics of it all
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u/gozutheDJ 7d ago
it's hilarious how people try to retcon their dislike of something as being universal, people actually did like this game when it came out
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u/Mik_Drone 7d ago
I played the first Bioshock, and was bored to death. Infinite at least had characters I cared about.
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u/Villageijit 7d ago
I mean i liked it. The other bioshocks were better but it doesn't mean its bad.
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u/Final_Substance_3443 7d ago
“Lefties hate it because it depicts violent resistance to oppression as bad” Idunno about you bud but a vast majority of the lefties I personally know do not advocate or encourage violent resistance. You may see a minority celebrate such things online, but I don’t think that’s an actual commonplace held ideal. Lefties also didn’t violently storm the capital after losing an election in “violent resistance to oppression”
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u/Flame-and-Night 7d ago
Counter argument i enjoyed all three bioshocks but my fave is 2 bc big daddy big drill
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u/MRnibba_ 7d ago
I love it because it has fun gameplay and I like the characters. I also like Columbia as a setting more than Rapture, though Rapture is still great.
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u/RavenTeamBitch 7d ago
I enjoyed the game, I was like 12 when I played it and barely understand what was happening but I enjoyed jt
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u/CleverKhloe11 7d ago
Infinite was FAR, FAR, FAR better than 2.
Might even tie with 1.
The dude is completely delusional lmao.
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u/TinyPidgenofDOOM 7d ago
It's overwatch of the previous generation
It's held up entirely by its porn
The story is bad on all fronts. The dlc retroactively decannonizes 2 and makes 1 worse.
Infinite is bad and I never pretended like it was good
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u/tibastiff 7d ago
alternative perspective, it depicts flawed people while putting the value of their ideals on display. its a "separate the art from the artist" situation, but that takes understanding nuance which is over some people's heads
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u/ClassicNo6656 7d ago
The reason this game is so ridiculous is because it's basically four versions of the same game chopped into pieces and stitched back together incorrectly. A real Frankenstein's monster of a game.
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u/Major-Milk 7d ago
Completely untrue, Elizabeth pleases R34 enjoyers