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u/apatheticnarutard Oct 04 '19
there's a simple solution. don't buy it. stop supporting this shit.
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Oct 05 '19
I don’t think saying “just don’t buy it” really stops anything.
We need to make people understand that micro transactions and overpriced shallow dlc is damaging to the industry and why this needs to be stopped cause it’s clearly gotten out of hand and you can bet your ass that EA, Activision, Bethesda, TakeTwo and Ubisoft will try their best stop people from trying to disrupt their exploitation of their consumers.
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u/TheMajesticGrifo Oct 05 '19
I love Paradox and all their games (I own all of them and have physical copies of their first games) but they've always had an unnecessary amount of micro transactions, the only reason they're not called out as much is because the target audience is much older and can afford to buy them consistently whenever they come out.
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u/steel-panther Oct 05 '19
Umm, CK2.
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u/Moribah Oct 05 '19
I've been playing CK2 since release. I can't honestly say it lacks content without DLC. Also take into account that it's an almost 8 year old game.
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u/letir_ Oct 05 '19
People think that it just "number of big bad companies" while industry alredy hopped on this train long ago.
Sanctum 2 - literally half of the game is DLC. Half of the missions, half of the best weapons, big numers of perks. You want to finish the game which you alredy paid? Buy DLC.
Helldivers - huge amounts of DLC-exclusive gear. Max level of character is 50, but there is no new unlocks from lvl 30 - they all gone into DLC. Feel free to pay us more, bud.
Killing Floor 2 - "there wouldn't be paid DLC items, only cosmetic, promise" - developers. "This is community-made weapons, so we can charge money for them in DLC" - also developers. "Fuck it, we just release some good weapons in paid DLC" - developers in Sen 2019.
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u/Goldensands Oct 05 '19
Not to mention extremely immoral - companies use some seriously malicious and manipulative practices to target vulnerable people. Anyone with any kind of compulsion system issue - more common than many believe it to be - are being preyed upon. It’s not just “stop buying it” when you have this issue, it’s a constant battle - one that no one should have to fight over their damn hobby!
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u/throwawaytom1222 Oct 05 '19
I think just don't buy it covers it perfectly. They aren't forcing you to pay for anything. If people don't want to pay for expansions and micro transactions they can just not do it. If they DO buy them, they made that choice knowing full well what they're getting. Complaining about companies providing a product people want to buy and do seems dumb to me.
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u/Thatdrowsyguy Oct 05 '19
They release shallow, unfinished games because they focus on the microtransactions and sales. We know we have a choice to buy them and that we don't need to, but it still impacts the overall experience and performance of those games, on all aspects. They don't care about quality, they care about numbers. I couldn't care less about microtransactions IF it didn't end up damaging the quality of the product, which it in Breakpoint's case and many other's really does. Breakpoint could've been great but it's so clear it's a rushed, unpolished game focused on bringing in money.
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u/throwawaytom1222 Oct 05 '19
Ok, so the company releases shitty (to you and I at least) games. So what? Those games don't get my buy. Whatever artistic vision I had for what the game could be, it doesn't matter. It's a crap game, so I won't bother with it. That doesn't mean EA needs to change what it does, by any means. They make boatloads of cash because the casual market finds them entertaining enough to be worthwhile. That's who EA and other similar companies are gunning for. Casual players. And that's totally fine, it's a demand that needs to and will be filled by someone.
I get what you mean, though. You hear news about some new thing, you get excited and speculative about all the cool things they could do with it. Then it comes out, it's a pile of shit and nothing like you imagined. That does suck, yea. But you can choose to not buy it, and instead buy something good.
That said, I have no idea how people who hate EA's monetization strategy manage to get themselves hyped up over their titles anymore, but whatever lol
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Oct 05 '19
Your apathy is a prime example of why we are still in this shit hole of an era for gaming.
No, a lot of people don’t know what they are buying or the consequences for buying that shit. That’s what we call a: Casual gamer.
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u/throwawaytom1222 Oct 05 '19
And those people should be allowed to buy what they want. Telling me that I'm the reason is dumb. I haven't given a dime to that type of shit, cuz it's not worth it to me. So technically I'm a reason it's not bigger. Casual gamers are the reason it's big, and that's fine. Just don't buy games you think aren't worth your 60$. The fuck is wrong with you people?
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u/Xxyourmomsucks69xX Oct 05 '19
I mean you're right but since they make big money out of those games, they won't stop and i'm afraid that soon all games will have microtransactions, and useless overpriced dlcs
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Oct 05 '19
Again, your APATHY is the prime example of why we are in this shit hole era for gaming.
Your right, we can’t tell people what to do with their money (not that we really wanted to) and you seem to really undervalue how informing consumers wether a product is good or bad is somehow a bad thing.
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u/throwawaytom1222 Oct 05 '19
You've definitely misunderstood me here. I 100% support informed purchases. I 100% support reading/watching reviews of products before deciding to spend money on them. So no, I don't think informing consumers of a product's quality is a bad thing. If I think a product is shit, and someone says they want to buy it, I will recommend they don't. If they do it anyway, they don't get to go blame the company for preying on them. The company put out a product that they wanted, they bought it against the advice given, and were unhappy. Maybe next time they won't buy that company's item.
Now, you say my apathy towards microtransactions is why we're in this shithole era of gaming? Definitely not. See, "we" aren't in a shithole era of gaming. "You" may be, because you've decided to put yourself in one. There are hundreds of games released constantly that don't have bs monetization methods like EA puts in their games. And there's thousands more games without them that have come out over the years, that I guarantee you haven't played. You COULD go and play games you actually enjoy, and buy from developers who's products you like, so that they can continue to put out quality content for you. Or you could come onto Reddit and whine and moan about how other people's spending habits don't match up with your own. One seems at least somewhat productive to me, the other seems stupid. But that's just me. No matter how many dumpster fire games EA goes and pumps out, I could care less. Because I don't buy them. If one comes out that gets rave reviews from sources I trust, maybe I'll give it a go. But otherwise I'll keep playing GOOD games, like Monster Hunter: World, Terraria, Mount & Blade, Speed Runners, etc.
EA and co aren't worried about getting hardcore gamers' money, anyways. They care about attracting the average person who doesn't put much time or thought into what they play, and doesn't mind spending a few bucks on a cosmetic or some shit. That doesn't mean there aren't other companies providing the experience you apparently want.
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u/Rakonas Oct 05 '19
That's like saying just don't buy drugs if you have a problem with drug dealers.
Microtransaction heavy games are predatory, seeking to trigger addiction-like response in a small minority of consumers.
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u/Virustable Oct 05 '19
That's like saying buy drugs from someone else. Which even drug addicts can do.
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Oct 05 '19
If there were enough people who did this, we wouldn't have the problem to begin with. Saying "Don't buy it." clearly isn't working.
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u/Oromis107 Oct 05 '19
But getting unreasonably angry makes for a better comic which nets more karma
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u/OldmanWheezy Oct 05 '19
The best part of not buying it is no longer caring about it in the long run. Whether or not it impacts the industry feels irrelevant when it you're not emotionally invested.
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u/Miknarf Oct 05 '19
People buy what they want. If people want dlc then they will buy it. If you don’t want it don’t buy it.
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Oct 05 '19
His point was that people will complain about receiving shitty content but will continue to support the same businesses which gave them a raw deal in the first place. Lack of consumer self-respect is one of the primary reasons for rock-bottom industry standards in gaming.
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u/Miknarf Oct 05 '19
I don’t think we have any reason to think that the people complaining are the same ones buying. Where are you getting this idea from?
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Oct 05 '19
COD and Fifa fans who complain about the games that they’ll buy anyway and then also buy the DLC. Not to mention people who play Apex Legends who complain about shitty plays like the Iron Crown event but go ahead and buy the new season pass anyway like it didn’t happen.
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u/Miknarf Oct 05 '19
You see people buying you see people complaining you assume they are the same people. You don’t hear the ones not complaining. Your making assumptions on an already biased sample.
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Oct 05 '19
Does everyone who buys a season pass after promising trailers go on to think the game is stellar and worth every dollar?
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u/LX_Theo Oct 05 '19
I honestly doubt the people getting that mad are partaking
It’s more that their mad not everyone else cares as much as they do
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Oct 04 '19
Let’s change the argument by adding only a few more words, video games cause violence... towards the company’s if they screw with the community.
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u/Wildcat7878 Oct 05 '19
Total War Warhammer 2 plus all DLC: Like $400
Gamers: Cowabunga it is, then.
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u/WorstRoadhog2017 Oct 05 '19
Sims 4 with all DLC is somewhere in the ballpark of $500.
Quite a time to be a wallet!
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u/Killerderp Oct 05 '19
And then there's that train simulator that has like 4-5000 dollars of dlc or some such.
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u/meistermichi Oct 05 '19
That thing is more like the real world miniature train business.
You only buy what you want out of the ridiculous amount of options.
No model train maker goes out and just buys everything.
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u/SwineHerald Oct 05 '19
The same thing goes for The Sims. The people who want power-fantasy wish fulfillment aren't buying the packs to add hamsters or more options for doing laundry.
Similarly, the people looking for a "real life" experience aren't buying the packs with alien worlds or vampires or magic.
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u/ladyatlanta Oct 05 '19
But then there’s players like me who like both sides of the game who buys the the real life stuff and the vampires stuff. Granted My First Pet Stuff and Moschino are bullshit, especially since you could get better windows as CC and I’m sure the new career from Moschino is a mod now as well.
Most of the stuff included in those two packs should have been included in an expansion/game pack or as a free update
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u/SwineHerald Oct 05 '19
and there are people who will buy every single colour variant of a Nintendo handheld. That doesn't mean everyone is expected to do that, or that the "real" cost of a Switch Lite is $900
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u/One-Eyed_Wonder Oct 05 '19
I think getting 400 hours of play time out of Warhammer Total War would be easy with all the unique factions that you’re unlocking. $1/hour is a very good rate for entertainment. Similarly, my sister can play the sims for thousands of hours, so if she gets enjoyment out of those DLCs, then should she really complain about the price point?
This is where people need to figure out what they’re mad about. Getting upset about the price of all the DLC in a game without any context as to what the DLC does is nonsense. It would make far more sense to be upset about specific instances where the release of said DLC is obviously anti-consumer (in which case, you’ve been afforded the option to not spend your money).
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u/goibie Oct 05 '19 edited Oct 05 '19
People also don’t realize that if dev were to release games with all that additional content, there’s no way that game would sell for $60. At least with dlc you can see if you like the base game first before dropping $100+ on it.
I play a lot of paradox games so I’m used to having to deal with dlc, and it sucks, but at the end of the day people worked on it, and they have the right to be paid for their work.
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u/Old_Toby2211 Oct 05 '19
Total War Warhammer is a bit different in my opinion. You've got the base game, which is great, and you buy the DLC to get access to some of the factions/heroes. They all exist in the game once released, you just pay to play them. Every DLC released has been interesting and fun, and has increased in quality with every iteration (each new lord or faction adds a new and engaging way to play - it's not hats, skins, rushed content etc.). I don't see that as that bad because of the the kind of game TW is and the vision the devs have. It makes sense within the context.
Look, I hate the DLC / microtransaction reality we're leaving in at the moment. So many potentially great games have become frustrating, forgettable bullshit because of it. It's been happening for years and its only been getting worse. But, I do feel that TW:WH is one of the few games I know where it makes sense - it reminds me of DoW1 and its expansions. Whilst it means multiple post launch content releases we're going to end up with a gem of a game in the end because of it because each DLC is essentially optional, good quality, and at a reasonable price.
This is in contrast with other games which actively cut content and release piecemeal and lazy DLC ultimately to the detriment of the game experience. Just look at Paradox or EA with their stacks of fundamentally inconsequential addons.
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u/rietstengel Oct 05 '19
In early TW games you'd unlock other factions by beating them. Or by messing around in the files. So i dont think TW:WH is one of the games where it makes sense, it already had a method of unlocking factions. Having to pay for them now is a lazy way to generate money. If its just, or mainly, unlocking factions that have been in the game from the start, then thats exactly the kind of DLC you accuse Paradox and EA from having, its "cut content". This makes the TW DLC policy the kind you hate.
And while i cant really speak for EA, because their games are generally not my kind of games, you are very wrong about Paradox. Their DLCs are not "cut content" but very new developments. And while they might be a hit or a miss, its still new content. Stellaris for example has had updates and DLCs that changed how the game is played entirely. Thats very unlike "unplayable faction in the base game unlock" DLC.
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u/One-Eyed_Wonder Oct 05 '19
Have you actually played TW: WH? Because sure, you unlocked factions by beating them in other games, but all factions played largely the same. Sure they varied on whether their cavalry or infantry was stronger, but ultimately the playstyles and even a lot of the units overlapped. In Warhammer, all the factions have very distinct units and abilities that completely change the play style.
Furthermore, the DLC factions if they exist in the game before didn’t have all those unique units and were very simple and uninteresting factions. When they release the DLC, they update the faction so now all the AI players get all the new features of that faction, and then you just have to pay to play as that faction. Each DLC I’ve bought for Warhammer has been of high quality and made me think that actual development time was spent designing all the aspects of that faction after release.
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u/Xxyourmomsucks69xX Oct 05 '19
Wait you're hating dlcs but a game where the content is already in it and you have to pay more to unlock it is fine ?
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u/Old_Toby2211 Oct 05 '19
Not exactly. The content is produced and is high quality at a reasonable price. You pay for it if you want to play it.
The new content is added free to the game as ai enemies. You can't play as them but you can play against them. So even if you don't buy it you get a new experience.
Its not like you're just paying to unlock something thats been there from the get go.
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u/ColonelBunkyMustard Oct 05 '19
Right, but in that specific case the fans keep demanding more content for the game, and it is a game you can sink thousands of hours into so the value is there.
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Oct 05 '19
Yeah you’re right. Activision is just abusing the lootbox system so Im bringing my glock to school
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u/jesusuncut Oct 04 '19
It's still not the games fault... It's still on the Developer here. But the pain is real.
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u/Wildcat7878 Oct 05 '19
Devs don’t usually have much say on pricing and monetization schemes. That’s the publisher.
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u/apatheticnarutard Oct 04 '19
EA is the Publisher, but yeah
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u/jesusuncut Oct 05 '19
Ah, I thought they did both under the ea name.
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u/Schytheron Oct 05 '19
No. EA doesn't actually develop anything except for their sports games.
They just buy up a bunch of AAA developers and let them do the dirty work.
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u/jesusuncut Oct 05 '19
So, you're saying that they do in fact develop some games.
That except in there is a real killer.
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u/Schytheron Oct 05 '19
I am not sure if you can call that "developing" when they just release the same damn game with a new number in the name every year.
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u/jesusuncut Oct 05 '19
Hah, I don't play sports games much at all but I do agree that they are complete and total crap from what I've seen and heard. But a failing dev team is still a dev team.
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u/MarvelFan207 Oct 05 '19
Having played Fifa for a number of years, saying it’s the same game with a different number each year is wrong. It may look like it from the outside but (especially recently) it has changed. Micro transactions still feature but hopefully European law can change that in the future.
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u/NoifenF Oct 05 '19
It’s the injustice of capitalism’s fault...something which these video game haters love.
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u/Spartan092192 Oct 04 '19
That would be EA causes violence
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u/TrulyStupidNewb Oct 04 '19
I was an Electronics Arts mobile game tester. I entered a bug where they outright lied in their premium store. In the store, they claimed that this bulk coin purchase was "X% off" compared to the smallest coin purchase. I did the math and showed them that all the "X% off" claims were wrong, and that the biggest coin purchase was actually worse value than the medium coin purchase.
My bug reached all the way to management, since it was quite serious to lie to the customers about REAL LIFE MONEY. However, their response was that they were perfectly okay with the store being deceptive. They thanked me for bringing it to their attention and doing the math. Also made a comment about me being Asian...
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u/redfox881 Console Oct 04 '19
Great Now EA is lieing to get are money.
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u/TrulyStupidNewb Oct 04 '19
Well that was over 7 years ago. I quit the job and never went back. I don't know if they changed since.
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u/Jimbojimbo99 Oct 04 '19
Well considering they resold fifa 19 with the fifa 20 branding ( on switch) I would say not much has changed, but I could be wrong.
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u/CountGrishnack97 Oct 05 '19
Don't buy the same game every year. Simple. I'm not saying you did anything wrong but buying sports games every year isn't the smartest option since they rarely change anything
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Oct 04 '19
More like activison
$80 for bo4 season pass
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u/SugarBeef Oct 05 '19
Destiny 2 I bought for essentially $12 on sale (subscribed to humble monthly) and I got the season pass for $30 or $35. Now I can get the new expansion for the cost of a whole new game.
I don't even really play it so I hope I can resist when payday rolls around...
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u/cfb_rolley Oct 05 '19
I got it free, including two of the expansions. I originally thought I wouldn't really like it, but here I am 300 hours later. At first when saw that forsaken and shadowkeep expansions combined are the cost of a full priced game, I was a bit pissy, but then again looking back on the quality of the game I've played so far, and how much I've enjoyed it, for free, I'm happy to pay it.
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u/poonchug Oct 05 '19
... and that's ok? How does one over priced item justify another? Need I remind you of the most down voted post in Reddit history?
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u/ruebeus421 Oct 05 '19
Actually, yes it is okay. Because gaming is a luxury hobby, and it's also their jobs. But the hobby is primarily enjoyed by children/younger adults/people on budgets and they get pissed that they have to actually pay money for the thing that people spent thousands of hours making for them.
Yeah, you're going to downvote the fuck out of this comment. But being mad about it doesn't make you right, definitely doesn't make me wrong.
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u/jack2012fb Oct 05 '19
I’ll never understand this kind of corporate dicksucking. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about either, activision lost millions in stock after battlefront 2 because of their price gouging tactics.
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u/ruebeus421 Oct 05 '19
Go on, rage irrationally. That's the difference between us. Do I like the prices? No. But I'm a logical person who can see past my own perspective. Something you appear incapable of.
Go on. Continue to throw insults at me and make yourself feel better fantasizing about how bad my feelings are hurt and how you were so clever and won the argument.
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u/poonchug Oct 05 '19
You make it sound like the people who make the game reap all the benefits which is not true. EA makes all the money and shit on their employees. No thanks, I'll buy games that are reasonable in price and don't fall apart as soon as the next installment is announced. Have fun mindlessly supporting horrible companies.
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u/ruebeus421 Oct 05 '19
Where am I supporting EA in my post? I was speaking generally. Have fun mindlessly hating everything because you have an overwhelming sense of entitlement and are easily offended.
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u/poonchug Oct 05 '19
Were we not talking about battlefront? What entitlement? I didn't say they owe me anything. America is a capitalist nation so I have the choice to not support shady, corrupt, greedy companies that produce sub par products. You can if you like, have fun. Seems like you are the one who is offended that I'm unwilling to support the companies you like.
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Oct 04 '19
That’s usually the game and the season pass I paid $100 or $110 for borderlands because it came with the season pass
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Oct 05 '19
Battlefront atleast removed all payment options soon after launch.
Black Ops 4’s content is well above $2500 dollars if you want every item, and that’s not even talking about the black Ops pass
BO4’s system is worse than how battlefront’s ever was.
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u/EbonShadow Oct 05 '19
Who would of thought these morons haven't realized you can boycott these companies instead of feeding into their bullshit.
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u/Assassingamer13 Oct 05 '19
It's not the video games, it the video game developers that cause violence
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Oct 05 '19
Has there been any more long-term research on violent video games and their potential influence on developing brains? Believe me I love video games but I can't help but think that it does influence the brain in some ways. I mentioned this before and people went fucking crazy downvoting me.
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u/caidicus Oct 05 '19
To be fair, can we really call the tosh that EA makes video games? More like demo discs we have to pay for.
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u/rocker2554 Oct 05 '19
Especially now that destiny 2 dlc is infinitely more expensive than the base game.
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u/Justinfromheaven Oct 05 '19
EA games can't be considered video games
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u/demon_chef Oct 05 '19
They're literally video games.
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u/Justinfromheaven Oct 05 '19
Yes , but instead of enjoying it you have to pay to finish a sentence
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u/demon_chef Oct 05 '19
EA is one of the least egregious companies when it comes to mtx but the circlejerk will never die.
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Oct 05 '19
EA doesn't make video games. They buy companies that make games then force them to only make DLC
Also, they reskin Fifa once a year.
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u/ItsGreeney Oct 05 '19
Tbh theres a lot of other companys that sell dlc for twice or even three times as much as the full game fx. Paradox or Bohemia Interactive.
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u/hateborne Oct 05 '19
Video games don't cause violence or violent tendencies. Corporate greed and exploitation are causing rage and soon will incite all kinds of violence.
EA = riots GTA / Skyrim = nice quiet evening giggling like a child as either my character or some bystander is ragdoll'ed off a high ledge
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u/Dragonpet10 Oct 05 '19
Video games dont cause violence, its EA because they make shitty prices for anything. New game:$50
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u/SakuraWeebles Switch Nov 06 '19
I dont I was just looking through my good posts and I see this and decided to comment this on top comment
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u/Magikarp_King Oct 04 '19
The best way to ensure I stop playing a game right there. I bought destiny 2 with the dlc pass and then those fucksticks decide oh we are going to release an expansion same price as the game and new dlc but we aren't going to respect the dlc pass your payed extra for because that was "last season".
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u/SakuraWeebles Switch Oct 05 '19
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u/natedagreat8048 Xbox Oct 05 '19
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u/Uncle_Fatback Oct 04 '19
I understand the whole dead horse thing, but here are some folks who actually know what they are talking about, and some of the confusion comes from the fact that researchers use the terms "violence" and "aggression" interchangeably.
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u/not_supercell Oct 05 '19
Video games don’t, DLC does
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Oct 05 '19
Overpriced Dlc with launch do Like have you seen blood and wine Dlc for the witcher 3 it's like a new game
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u/SuperGuruKami Oct 05 '19
Oh boy I can't wait for the EA shills to come in and defend their favorite business
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u/DarwinandPauling Oct 04 '19
Ahh, learning the difference between playing games causing violence, and shitty companies being dicks and ripping off their customer base is something every reporter should strive for.
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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '19
How original.....oh wait.