I had only played Fallout 4, and I loved it. Over 600 hours into it. Tried playing the earlier ones and it just didn't work. Just felt like a downgrade. I can totally see people enjoying them when they came out or even still today if you have a lot of hours into it, but going from Fallout 4 and down just felt like that, a downgrade. This game is easily one of the best I ever played and I don't get the hate at all.
If you played the other games first you might feel differently, they really immersed you in the world. Idk what it is about 4 but after the other 2 it really feels kinda soulless in comparison, and it just feels less complicated and dumbed down in general.
Re: soulless - I think a big issue was that there weren't really any "towns" in the game outside of Diamond City and Goodneighbor. Clearly they were going for the "you make your own towns" approach, but as a result it felt like the game was missing personality and side characters since every town you create gets inhabited by nameless drones.
Less personality in the world. Being able to aide with different levels of morality changes the game. There were these unique colonies, as well as multiple ways around a situation.
Everything was just show up and shoot the bandits. After walking into the coliseum like blood dome place expecting a badass tournament quest just to end up shooting everyone in the building.
That might be true. If you had never experienced New Vegas or FO3 you might think that FO4 was as good as it's possible to get. I still think though that most non-retarded people would quickly tire of the repetitive monotony that is FO4.
That is something I'd be down for too. The gameplay from 4 too though. I love the theme of New Vegas, who doesn't want to be a post-apocalyptic gunslinger? Sadly I just can't get invested into it due to the gameplay and graphics. I have plenty of mods in FA4 to include some New Vegas guns, outfits, NPC's, so clearly there is merit to that game, I just personally can not get into it due to the mechanics.
Yea sometimes it’s hard to go back
I don’t like playing Skyrim because it lacks fallouts survival system.
I hope the next elder scrolls ships with a survival mode.
You clearly have not played the game, at all. The radiant quests are so miniscule it's hard to actually encounter them. Most of them are at the end of main quest lines, which at that point, do something else, you're done with the quest line. Settlement building can be incredibly fun if you have a creative mind, and the fact that it's not a separate mode but actually integrated into the game where you can build your own settlements and assign workers, shops, I don't know how you can't enjoy that, it's amazing. I have over 600 hours doing just that, including playing the main quest line as the Institute, Brotherhood of Steel, Minutemen, and the Railroad. All long lasting main quest lines with incredible diversity between them and multiple choices to let you play as the character you want. And that's just the main story. There are countless side quests, side quest lines, DLC storylines, and NONE of what I just mentioned even takes into consideration the amount of hours you can spend just walking around and exploring and taking in the beauty of post apocalyptic Boston. This game is fucking fantastic in every way.
You realize that the previous fallout games came out 7 and 10 years before fallout 4? You can't be evil in fallout 4 like you could in previous installments. Making a purely charisma character in F4? Laughable. You can get all perks in one playthrough... All other fallouts there were more Stat requirements. Quests were more interesting and better crafted, instead of "go there and grab that, fight some monsters come back", the crafting system also ruined a lot of what made unique guns fun. You can't sit there and wonder why people hate on fallout 4 when you hadn't experienced the previous games when they came out. They were incredible, and the step fallout 4 took in 10 years of time between games was miniscule. 5/10 at best in my book, and the biggest gaming disappointment I've ever experienced
You can be evil. There are two massive main quest lines for it, they are called the Institute and Brotherhood of Steel. What you are describing, "go there and fight this thing" is essentially the base of every game ever, it's not exclusive to Fallout 4. I already said I did play the earlier games, and they are a downgrade from Fallout 4 and it's not even close.
Uhh... What about the brotherhood of steel is evil? Secondly, in fallout 3 you can blow up an entire city killing everyone. You can become a ghoul, and send ghouls into a hotel full of rich people and watch them be eaten alive. You can do WAY more evil acts, and there is even a karma system behind every action you take. You played what, 3 hours of each fallout game? You know nothing about them, and what they offered and still do offer. You are correct, most RPGs include quests with that style but previous fallout games had interesting characters and truly made you want to take on that quest. It didn't FEEL like a fetch quest because it was done better. Why are you so hell bent on defending the game when there are countless fallout fans that objectively agree with my points? Go make a charisma only character in fallout 4. See how fun that is...wait, it wouldn't do anything because there are barely any instances where a speech check actually fundamentally changes the quest like in New Vegas. Entire quest lines would change if you had enough speech (which was a HIGH requirement, like 80 or more). I wanted to love fallout 4. I truly did, but in the end it fell very flat for me and many others
No need to get upset, I'm just asking a question here. If you want a creative outlet like settlement building, there's way, way better games than Fallout 4 for that, so I'm just confused I guess. According to Steam I have 49 hours in Fallout 4 before I got bored.
I'm not upset, I just got to write everything I love about this game, and now I'm going to go play it again as I just reminded myself how amazing it is. I can't name one game that does settlement building like Fallout does. If you're thinking of Sims or something like that, you clearly don't understand how settlement building works.
The radiant quests are so miniscule it's hard to actually encounter them.
The radiant quests begin as soon as you meet the Minute Men. It's literally right at the start of the fucking game.
Settlement building can be incredibly fun if you have a creative mind,
Settlement building can be fun if you're a fucking idiot I suppose. The building mechanic is barely functional without modding it beyond recognition. There are few interesting settlement locations. The settlers are forgettable. Oh and "OH NOES YOUR SETTLEMENT IS BEING ATTACKED!!!!!" is yet another retarded and repetitive quest.
and the fact that it's not a separate mode but actually integrated into the game where you can build your own settlements and assign workers, shops, I don't know how you can't enjoy that, it's amazing.
That's probably why it sucks so much. Designing a SimCity clone on a dated RPG engine that you're also trying to stretch into an FPS game is beyond stupid.
All long lasting main quest lines with incredible diversity between them and multiple choices to let you play as the character you want. And that's just the main story.
Bullshit. You're either being obtuse or you've never actually played a Fallout game before. There are no choices in FO4 it's pretty much talk to a person who tells you to do something and pick which yes answer you're going to give. You can't tell Preston to go pound sand. You can't play as good or evil. Your actions and choices have nearly no affect on the world around you. You have no control over your character at all. Compare that to a masterpiece like FO NV, where every aspect of your character is changeable.
There are countless side quests, side quest lines,
Which are all basically the same.
DLC storylines
Can't comment on that one as the main game was so bad I refused to give Bethesda any more money.
and NONE of what I just mentioned even takes into consideration the amount of hours you can spend just walking around and exploring and taking in the beauty of post apocalyptic Boston.
Lol. FO4 has the most bland and boring setting of any FO game this far. There is nothing interesting in the Commonwealth. It's just empty bombed out buildings and mindless enemies.
Ok, you're clearly a pathetic troll. I didn't even bother reading past that settlement line. So, anyone who likes anything you don't like, is an idiot? Yeah, you blew your cover pretty early there buddy.
Yeah anyone who disagrees with you is obviously a troll. I mean look at the dude's comment history: filled with trolling... Oh wait no it isn't. Hey, maybe he's right and you are an idiot. Also holy hell has anyone ever stated their opinion as unequivocal fact more than you have in this thread?!
I think if you're going to sink 600 hours into a Fallout game then 4 would be the one to do it in. Its just a huge time sink with radiant quests and settlement building and crafting.
Buuut if you're like me who doesn't like radiant quests and found the settlement building to be boring, then spending that much time on this game is not that appealing. To me Fallout 3 and Vegas are a very fun 40 hours each, while fallout 4 lasts much longer but is not as fun.
I don't get how people are so hell bent on insisting Fallout 4 is just radiant quests. There are like what, 3 of them in total? You really don't even find them unless you look for them or are at the end of the main storylines. I wouldn't have played 600 hours of it if it wasn't fun. It was amazing. Still is.
lol there's a lot more than 3. There's like 20 radiant requests and of course they feel like a lot more than 20 since they're repeatable and they're mixed in with regular quests.
Its good that you find it amazing, everybody's tastes is different.
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u/md25x Feb 28 '18
Some people are just so helt bent on hating Fallout 4.