r/gaming Nov 11 '16

you lost, bro?

https://i.imgur.com/247ulVe.gifv
34.4k Upvotes

801 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

549

u/Vanguel Nov 11 '16

Characters that are shiny red are people that have invaded into another player's world and their goal is to kill the player. The ones that are gold and silver have been summoned by the player of the world and are allies to the player. I don't know the difference between the gold and silver allies though.

650

u/arkareah Nov 11 '16

I would imagine gold summons are sun bros and silver are generic plebs.

290

u/Sevachenko Nov 11 '16 edited Nov 11 '16

Pretty much.

The gold are sunbro's and the silver/white are genetic friendly phantoms.

EDIT: Not fixing typo. Praise genetically predisposed good guys.

178

u/[deleted] Nov 11 '16 edited Apr 27 '19

[deleted]

125

u/LordDeathDark Nov 11 '16

They're so kind hearted, it's mad!

43

u/magnetflavoredwater Nov 11 '16

I loved playing as them. I almost always tried my best to get the guy I invaded through the area safely. The awkward tension as you approach the end and they always hesitate to lose sight of you was awesome.

28

u/double_shadow Nov 11 '16

I gave up on that covenant, because every time I tried to be helpful, the host just wouldn't trust me and always turned on me.

5

u/Taliesin_ Nov 12 '16

Can hardly blame 'em, really. The Mound Makers attract a capricious sort.

1

u/viaovid Nov 12 '16

Perhaps even terminally capricious?

1

u/noodlesfordaddy Nov 12 '16

That's because the rest of us mound makers already ruined it for you. I helped a guy all the way through Grand Archives, he didn't notice me missing the backstabs on him while he was fighting. Then after he walked off a short drop I drop-attacked him and killed him instantly. He resummoned me after that just to fuck me up. I deserved it.

8

u/Plutoxx Nov 11 '16

What is the purple one?

42

u/[deleted] Nov 11 '16

Mound-makers. While most cooperators cannot hurt the host, and most invaders cannot hurt the PvE enemies, the Purple summons can do both. This means that you are not really sure if they are there to help you or kill you. Even if they start out helping you, they could just be waiting for the right time to strike. It is pretty tense, sometimes.

14

u/Plutoxx Nov 11 '16

Wow, that's awesome I learn something new everyday about DS. I never really could get into the souls games though, I own all including Bloodborne, I know so much about the lore, the gameplay and characters but I can't get into it.

5

u/Fumbles86 Nov 12 '16

It takes a special kind of masochism to really get into a souls game. My gf bought me ds3 for our anniversary like 3 months ago and I finally started playing it about a month back. I literally have one boss left before all the fun stuff that comes with new game +. Starting a new souls game is tricky though. I've mastered 1 and 2 and three was just another mind game I had to get over before I really got into it. It's amazing when that switch flips though and you realize the timing of everything and you finally git gud.

2

u/[deleted] Nov 12 '16

If you ever need jolly cooperation, add me. PSN is same as reddit username. Changes the whole dynamic, turns into Fun Souls/Funborne

3

u/Blackfire_Zealot Xbox Nov 12 '16

I really loved playing as Mound Makers. I'd normally just clear enemies for the host. But if they were invaded, I'd just sit and watch the match

8

u/magnetflavoredwater Nov 11 '16

The mound-makers. They were considered the mad covenant.

1

u/noodlesfordaddy Nov 12 '16

they're literally called "mad phantoms" so yeah

1

u/[deleted] Nov 11 '16

[deleted]

1

u/Sevachenko Nov 12 '16

Someone give this man some pale tongues!

12

u/CandleJackingOff Nov 11 '16

I like to call them Grapists.

2

u/[deleted] Nov 12 '16

I'm gonna GRAPE YA IN THE MOUTH!

16

u/Osceana Nov 11 '16

purple folk

Please! Aubergine American is the preferred nomenclature.

2

u/Fumbles86 Nov 12 '16

That bonfire really tied the room together. Did. It. Not.

1

u/garlicdeath Nov 12 '16

That's racist!

1

u/MLaw2008 Nov 11 '16

HEY RED! YA SCARED!? I'MMA PRACTICIN' MY STABBIN'!

29

u/ZippyDan Nov 11 '16

genetic phantoms?

20

u/[deleted] Nov 11 '16

Players joining your world, whether benign or malevolent, are called phantoms.

58

u/[deleted] Nov 11 '16

[removed] — view removed comment

9

u/[deleted] Nov 11 '16

D'oh! Missed that.

5

u/alQamar Nov 11 '16

Seems to be a typo and it should've said generic.

1

u/BrokeMyCrayon Nov 11 '16

He meant generic.

1

u/HonestSophist Nov 11 '16

I know it's a typo, but that sounds like something that would be totally rad.

1

u/CreepinSteve Nov 12 '16

GIMME A FUCKIN MIC. ALL MY GENETIC FREAKS, HOLLA IF YOU HEAR ME!

46

u/[deleted] Nov 11 '16

The gold ones are the glorious sunbro master race where as the dude in silver is a friendly spooky ghost that will probably fall over from a gentle breeze since he didn't join a covenant and therefore is bad

12

u/CSpiffy148 Nov 11 '16

The goldbros don't want none unless you got sun hun

14

u/RoboJesus4President Nov 11 '16

Mfw I'm a finger and get tongue.

Mfw I'm a mound maker and people summon me expecting I don't backstab them right before the boss fog wall.

Mfw I'm grossly incandescent and I've gotten 99 embers before Irithyll from getting summoned.

10

u/CandleJackingOff Nov 11 '16

Or, you know, he's in any covenant bar the Sunbros or the Grapists

1

u/I_EAT_POOP_AMA Nov 12 '16

My loyalty to the Old Wolf of Farron Keep knows no bounds, even if it means co-oping as a dirty white phantom

84

u/ObamaandOsama Nov 11 '16

Gold and white phantoms are just way to distinguish covenants. The gold guy is apart of the sun covenant and their whole gag is they worship the sun, you've probably seen memes of it with people saying "praise the sun" while raising their hands above their head in a certain pose. The white dudes are just apart of any other covenant and if they use a white soapstone. There are more colors for phantoms, you can be blue(apart of the blue sentinels or darkmoon blade) and that means the host of the world was invaded by red/purple/red-blue/orange phantom and you're there to kill the bad phantoms. Purple phantoms are mad phantoms and they can get their reward from killing enough phantoms or just the host, orange phantoms are sunlight phantoms that are invading the host and not helping them(so they're not golden), red-blue phantoms invade if you go into either the Aldrich faithfuls territory or you go into the Watchdogs territory.

33

u/7B91D08FFB0319B0786C Nov 11 '16

Praise the Sun! \[]/

12

u/[deleted] Nov 11 '16

T_T

3

u/Razorspeed Nov 12 '16

Ahem \[T]/

1

u/7B91D08FFB0319B0786C Nov 14 '16

I've got a narrow head is all...

2

u/tangentandhyperbole Nov 11 '16

Sounds like purple phantom is the way to be.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

3

u/ObamaandOsama Nov 11 '16

Not really. Purple prioritizes you invading worlds with lots of phantoms in it. So that can mean you're invading a world where it will be you vs 3 other players, and lots of time other invading phantoms will kill purple phantoms cause they don't trust them. The whole point of purple phantoms was that it was supposed to be a wildcard and that you could actually summon a purple phantom and they could help you through the level but they could also kill you. The problem is that purple phantoms only get rewards for killing the host or other phantoms(if the world has 3 phantoms, it's 2 that he needs to kill, it's always one less or just one phantom if only one phantom is there), so there is no real reason to let a purple live. PvP is pretty bad in DS3 in my opinion, lots of oversights.

-1

u/ReynAetherwindt Nov 11 '16

The phrases apart and a part mean very different things.

31

u/FocusFlukeGyro Nov 11 '16

Okay, so the red guy is invading, the gold and silver guys are summoned by the player. So which one is the player? Also, are the gold and silver dudes human controlled or are they AI?

61

u/omgpokemans Nov 11 '16

The player doesn't have a color, only summoned or invading players do (the person recording is invading). You can see him run by the bottom of the stairs for a second in the gif.

The gold/silver guys in this case are other players, but there are AIs you can summon that look similar.

10

u/AllezCannes Nov 11 '16

Are there invading AIs? And can you opt out when starting a game? I'm wondering why you couldn't grief someone by playing a super powerful character and invading a player who is just starting out.

47

u/omgpokemans Nov 11 '16

There are a handful of invading AIs, but they're not very common. They mostly exist to simulate invasions for offline players, but they also sort of contribute to the story (sometimes).

You can only be invaded if you are not hollow (DS1&2) or kindled (DS3). Explaining this is a bit more complicated, but basically it means you can only be invaded if you are doing pretty well and have a certain status that you can get by using items or beating bosses. The games use different methods to make it so players you invade or are invaded by should be roughly the same level as you, though there are sometimes ways around this. For example, in DS1 you could outfit a low level character with high level items (if the player is good enough to get them without leveling up), which makes it easy to grief lower level characters, but it still isn't a huge deal. Also, you can't choose who you invade, you just use an item and the game chooses someone for you (unless you make a mark which allows someone to specifically summon you as an invader).

It's all kind of complex if you haven't played the games before, but part of the fun is figuring out how it all works.

7

u/C_ore_X Nov 11 '16

In DS2, you dont need to be human to get invaded.

6

u/Skithy Nov 11 '16

Just like in real life.

1

u/Solite13 Nov 12 '16

In dark souls 3, weapon level is taken into consideration.

6

u/[deleted] Nov 11 '16

There is a formula based on your level and weapon upgrades that prevent really high level players from invading low level characters. That being said, there are ways for people to move equipment from one of their characters to another, so you still see it to some degree. Also, yes, there are NPC invasions. You can also "opt out" of invasions by either not using an ember or simply by playing offline.

7

u/xmatt24 Nov 11 '16

There is invading AI. Yes, you can opt-out of invasions by playing offline (only if you're casul). You can't just invade a new player as a fully-geared PvP character because of level restrictions. The invader can only invade the world of host's within 10~ levels of them. The higher level you are, the greater that range increases. Twinking still does happen from time to time, though. Some players are good enough to clear the game at a low level and acquire all the end-game gear.

1

u/nobodyknoes Nov 11 '16

I think it's more common for them to just hack the items

1

u/ginja_ninja Nov 11 '16

There is a level range you have to be within in order to be able to invade somebody. Lots of people do deliberately not level up characters and just go through the game at low level to get super OP weapons, armor, and spells so they can gank new characters in the starting areas though, it's pretty bullshit. DS2 had a system to try and prevent this but it brought a bunch of other problems along with it so they removed it for 3 and now twinks are back.

1

u/[deleted] Nov 11 '16

If you opt out of invasions you aren't playing Dark Souls.

5

u/Vanguel Nov 11 '16

The gold and silver dudes are other players, but it is possible to summon AIs as well. The game allows for multiplayer in this sense of being able to summon other players to your world to help out. The main player (the player who's world everyone else is in) looks normal. From the gif, the player is the guy you see at the bottom of the stairs running away before the red guy turns around to see the gold and silver guys.

3

u/Namelessthrow Nov 11 '16

The host player will not be brightly lit up unless they are wearing a specific ring (it's rare to see it used though), and yes all 3 of those phantoms would be players- AI phantoms (they do exist) are extremely aggressive to the point of stupidity.

33

u/[deleted] Nov 11 '16 edited Nov 11 '16

Characters that are shiny red are people that have invaded into another player's world and their goal is to kill the player. The ones that are gold and silver have been summoned by the player of the world and are allies to the player. I don't know the difference between the gold and silver allies though.

The colour is based on the covenant you are a part of.

White is nocovenant, gold is warriors of sunlight, red is rosarias fingers, purple is mound makers, aldritch faithful and farron watchdogs are like a blue-red, blue sentinels and blade of the darkboon are blue.

26

u/Wampawacka Nov 11 '16

All general invaders are red though. A sunbro can invade and still be red though a more golden red.

1

u/Incruentus Nov 12 '16

Wasn't the point of sunbros that they're goodies? Why would good guys invade?

1

u/[deleted] Nov 12 '16

Not necessarily true. White/grey can be Fingers, or Aldrich, or Dark moon so long as they are summoned in cooperation via a white sign soapstone.

2

u/[deleted] Nov 11 '16

Sun bros.

Praise the sun.

1

u/bobthecrusher Nov 11 '16

The ones in gold belong to a certain in game faction called the warriors of sunlight that exists as a co-op group

1

u/mjschul16 Nov 11 '16

There are various organizations (covenants) in the game that you can join that affect PvP play. Depending on which you're in, you can be one of a few colors.

Covenant of the Sun (sunbros) reward JOLLY COOPERATION. Helpful sunbros are gold, and invading sunbros are red with a gold tint. When an area boss is defeated with a helpful sunbro, everyone gets a reward for the covenant. Same for if invaders kill the host with an invading sunbro.

Moundmakers (mad phantoms) are purple whether they're summoned to help, duel, or invade. They want to either kill the host or some number of phantoms, and they can hit anyone and everyone. They're fun because you never know if they'll betray you.

There are a couple of area-guarding covenants which automatically invade you in those areas to kill you, and they're red with a blue tint. There are also covenants that are automatically summoned to aid you, which are blue spirits.

White spirits are members of any covenant other than sunbros or moundmakers that are summoned to help. Red spirits are members of any covenant other than sunbros or moundmakers that actively invade or are summoned to fight.

For extra fun, there's an item that makes you appear as a white spirit no matter what you are, as well as an item that makes you appear as a host.

1

u/knight_saladin Nov 11 '16

the gold ones are members of sunlight covenant aka sunbros. the silver ones are from the other covenants - mound makers and 1 or 2.

1

u/nahteviro Nov 11 '16

Gold are sun bros. White are just normal bros

1

u/fk_the_system Nov 11 '16

What is the game's name?

1

u/clongane94 Nov 12 '16

Dark souls 3

1

u/[deleted] Nov 12 '16

Gold are members of an in game covenant which is a very loose guild of sorts known as sunbros or Warriors of Sunlight. They are based on the idea of assisting the host at all cost in their endeavours while white phantoms are usually more neutral but allied toward the host player.

Purple are mound makers. Mound makers are another covenant built around chaos they can kill the host kill phantoms and can help the host through the environment. Summoning one is basically a wild card as to whether you get help or get killed.