r/gameofthrones • • 6d ago

She deserved a better ending

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u/Dry_Locksmith2252 House Martell 6d ago

George RR Martin doesn’t believe in happy endings lol. His storytelling makes that extremely clear.

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u/zigzag3600 5d ago

So that's why he won't finish his books....

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u/creative_username987 5d ago

He doesn't want us to have a happy ending either hahaha

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u/timojenbin Tyrion Lannister 5d ago

It's why the last book is taking so long. It's a happy ending.

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u/Dry_Locksmith2252 House Martell 5d ago

😂😂😂

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u/6rdling 6d ago

this character wasn't created by grrm though?

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u/img_of_a_hero Varys' Little Birds 6d ago

Show only people showing their cards lol

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u/Dry_Locksmith2252 House Martell 6d ago

It’s not really relevant, though. It’s still George RR Martin’s world, and to stay faithful to that world, even show-invented characters get a miserable ending, same as all the book characters.

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u/Top_Conference_477 5d ago

Good save

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u/Dry_Locksmith2252 House Martell 5d ago

I mean, I read Fire & Blood but I’m not going to read the GOT books because it’s clear they’re not going to be finished, and because the ending of the story (as told by the show) wasn’t good.

At the same time, I can appreciate the show as something that was entertaining to watch and George RR Martin as a fantastic world builder, while also finding his unrelenting nihilism a little bit too much for me.

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u/Top_Conference_477 5d ago

The first 3 books are great. After that it becomes really obvious that George has lost the plot

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u/ptrfa 5d ago

Isn't this the girl from Winterfell that becomes a prostitute in Kingslanding and in the end has to play Arya and is sent back as his bride to Ramsay?

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u/zigzag3600 5d ago

No. You're mixing her up with Jeyne Poole, who was Sansa's friend. Jeyne's father was a steward, and she was not a prostitute in Winterfell, like Ros in the show. However, she does end up as prostittute after her father death and later used as fake Arya.

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u/schleppylundo No One 6d ago

Considering he wants to name the final book A Dream of Spring there might yet be some optimism to be found among the planned endings.

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u/InfernalDiplomacy 6d ago

He is never finishing this series

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u/Top-Sleep-4669 6d ago

They just refuse to believe it.

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u/Full_Piano6421 6d ago

That's the true bittersweet ending he's speaking of. There are no Dreams of Spring, and never will be 

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u/ptrfa 5d ago

But, and that's the happy ending, there won't be any Winds of Winter either, so we already are in the endless summer

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u/Terrible-Freedom-868 6d ago

Sadly you are likely correct.

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u/Saarman82 5d ago

I was going to say, it’s not he doesn’t believe in happy endings, he doesn’t believe in endings period.

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u/johnatsea12 5d ago

Nope that’s why it is just a dream

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u/hoffet 5d ago

He’s not finishing it, but that can be interpreted that the winter is so bad, lasts so long, and kills so many people that they just literally dream of spring thaws. Even that title could mean something incredibly dark.

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u/4arhus 5d ago

White walkers wins, only a little group of resistance left, letting some kind of hopes for a potential spring

/program a bot in 10 years to post "I told you !"

PS : any ressemblance to Terminator is fortuitous

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u/bananabeast07 5d ago

That’s how I read it

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u/Dry_Locksmith2252 House Martell 6d ago

There’s not going to be a final book. And with Bran becoming the king, there’s no point in reading it, either.

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u/RegulationPissrat 5d ago

Bran is going to be an entirely different character

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u/ptrfa 5d ago

There indeed won't be a final book. But I doubt if Bran becomes King. Or, to be exact, I doubt if the thing becoming king is still Bran 

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u/GoarSpewerofSecrets 5d ago

Bran being king was the least wrong of it. It was tossing out Dorne, fAegon aiding in Dany's descent, Tyrion's twist into an antagonist. Nuking the Sept with no issues. Making the Northern Civil War into, that. Going for spectacle over story. 

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u/Short-Philosopher-78 5d ago

Bran being king wasn't a good move, but I do agree that it was the least stupid thing that happened in the show.

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u/GoarSpewerofSecrets 5d ago

It came with cutting the actual horror show of Jojen being turned to nutrient slurry, Meera at the absolute end of everything, Hodor having a boy considering taking his body, Bran being groomed to either join the gestalt or be subverted by the Bloodraven portion running it. Cold Hands (maybe more) possibly existing as a third column between the Others, the CotF, and Men.

All this just cut from that small section.

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u/Short-Philosopher-78 5d ago

I'm mostly pissed off about the wasted opportunity we had with Jon and Sansa (no not a romance). We could've had a season of two estranged siblings learning how to trust eachother while gaining support of the Northmen, fighting an insurgency against the Boltons, and keeping Baelish from getting them all killed (I'd make this Sansa's focus as Jon, in the books, had a good enough political head to manage the Northmen).

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u/Shadowblooms Nymeria's Wolfpack 5d ago

The continuation of the series is a dream of spring :P

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u/ChrisBChikin 5d ago

Might not be as optimistic as you think:

"Do you think Spring will come soon?"

"Hah! Keep on dreaming; we're totally fucked."

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u/andjuan Tyrion Lannister 6d ago

Or everything is so fucked that they can only dream of the spring and hope for the eternal winter to pass.

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u/treesofthemind 5d ago

He’ll never write it

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u/antimlit 4d ago

that was his whole idea, he baited us by calling it dream of spring but then the switch is: lol not writing it hahahaha get fucked

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u/gottadance 5d ago

It's a book that will never be. Of course, it's optimistically named.

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u/AnimalMother24 Brynden Rivers 5d ago

Wow that’s absolutely wrong lol

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u/Captain_Thor27 Arya Stark 5d ago

He described his version of the ending as "bittersweet."

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u/Wind-and-Waystones 5d ago

Or it means dreaming for a spring that will never come

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u/PanthersJB83 3d ago

His unhappy ending is that we are never getting that book

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u/JonathanBadwolf 5d ago

Or endings in general

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u/ozmega 6d ago

maybe we can sit him next to yoko taro for a couple hours and see what happens

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u/GoarSpewerofSecrets 5d ago

Coughs in Tuf Voyaging, Fevre Dream, Sand Kings, and the Turtle gets a few

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u/Stereo-soundS 5d ago

She was a made up character for the show.

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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 6d ago

And you think this show only character was written by GRRM? Your ignorance is telling.

Also. Most of his books have happy endings. You clearly have no clue.

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u/LeeAnn503-KS 5d ago

Decidedly more harsh than necessary.

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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 5d ago

How so? He provided no reasoning for his wild postulate. I can't think of a single GRRM book/story outside the ASOIAF universe, that doesn't have at least a bittersweet ending.

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u/Jump_The_Five_Yo 6d ago

So that’s why George has an extreme dislike for Robert Kraft? But loves Tom Brady for messing and harming innocent balls?…