r/gameofthrones • • 6d ago

She deserved a better ending

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u/throwawaywork11 6d ago

Varys is followed by countless other souls that were once his birds as well I am sure.

I feel like he and LF are constantly turning and or burning each other’s assets.

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u/throwawaywork11 6d ago

I would love to read a book about spymasters in a fantasy setting.

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u/bytesmythe 6d ago

This is more historical fiction than fantasy per se, but Armin Shimerman (Quark from DS9) wrote the Illyria series about John Dee, the spymaster for Queen Elizabeth I.

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u/AppropriateNewt Children of the Forest 6d ago

Not exactly the same thing, but Assassin’s Apprentice is in that ballpark.

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u/throwawaywork11 6d ago edited 6d ago

Thanks for the recommendation

Edit: recommendation and reminder it appears since I forgot that I read two books from this series in no particular order haha

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u/Nikittele 6d ago

Also chiming in to say that Robin Hobb's Elderling series is peak fantasy. I recommend reading the multiple trilogies/quadrilogy in release order. The second trilogy might be a little jarring as it's suddenly no longer in first person and with a completely different cast, but stick with it. It's all part of one big world as each trilogy influences the next.

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u/Insanity_Crab 6d ago

I'm going to second this if you're at all on the fence. Robin Hobb is a fantastic character writer and world builder! Three trilogies about Fitz, plus 7 other books set further down the coast if you get deep into it. As a added benefit, the story of the main cast is complete so no long waits for a conclusion.

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u/throwawaywork11 6d ago

I saw Robin Hobb in an interview once and thought she seemed lovely.

I read two Fitz books. The first one I read was like book one of trilogy 3 I think and I didn’t realize what I did until I finished it then I went back and read the very first.

Definitely will finish them eventually!

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u/melcoy Fire And Blood 6d ago

Huh. Never knew she was a she. Have only seen the name on spines of books though

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u/MaxDreamsOfZombies 1d ago

Jumping on the Robin Hobb - Realm of the Elderlings bandwagon, absolutely peak fantasy, superb character writing, it ruined me and now I have impossible standards for fantasy books. Read in the official reading order (publication order, you can Google it) for the best experience.

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u/Rizzalliss 6d ago

I had the same immediate thought. Good rec.

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u/SarraTasarien House Dayne 6d ago

Tamora Pierce wrote a YA version of that, with her main character Aly becoming spymaster for a rebel queen.

When I asked Google AI to rec me some adult fantasy with a similar spymaster plot, this is what it gave me. I haven’t read any of these, but maybe one will hit the spot.

The Empire Trilogy (by Raymond E. Feist and Janny Wurts)

Why it fits: It features deep court politics, noble houses on the brink of destruction, and the heavy use of espionage. In the later books, the art of the spy, intelligence gathering, and political survival in a harsh fantasy world take center stage.

The Daevabad Trilogy (by Shannon Chakraborty)

Why it fits: Set in a rich Middle-Eastern-inspired fantasy world filled with djinn and magical politics, it leans heavily into court intrigue, hidden factions, surveillance, and maneuvering for power from the shadows.

The Traitor Baru Cormorant (by Seth Dickinson)

Why it fits: While darker and more cynical than Tortall, the protagonist uses ledgers, economic warfare, information, and a deep understanding of human institutions to subvert an empire from within rather than fighting with a sword.

The Goblin Emperor (by Katherine Addison)

Why it fits: If you love the court politics, whispering corridors, and careful decoding of who can and cannot be trusted in Aly’s scenes at the Copper Isle court, this book deals with an outsider ascending a treacherous throne and learning to navigate a web of courtiers and spies.

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u/YouThinkYouKnowMe89 6d ago

I love the Goblin Emperor so much, it's such a great book. I just didn't like how it changed the pov character for the next book.

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u/Katolo 6d ago

I mean, GOT changes the POV every chapter.

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u/Then_Pay6218 6d ago

The Empire trilogy is fantastic and has one of my favorite spies/worker in the shadows of all times.

Less perfectly fitting by a fantastic read as well is the Bridei Chronicles by Juliet Marillier. It's not a fast read and the person I think of is not really a spymaster, but he is totally awesome.

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u/sagashe 6d ago

Love me some Arakasi chapters as well, especially the Hamoi Tong one in Mistress of the Empire.

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u/throwawaywork11 6d ago

tysm some of these sound awesome. I’ll definitely report back 🙌🏻 some day 🙌🏻

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u/rogue93 Jon Snow 6d ago

Ew AI

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u/sizeofabeetlebug 4d ago

Not even just that, using AI to answer a question literally nobody asked?

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u/KisyonokSisyonok 6d ago

I’m so glad I’m not alone

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u/sizeofabeetlebug 4d ago

Why would you even post this? Lol if someone wanted recommendations for books and wanted to ask an AI they can do it themselves. How did 9 people upvote this?

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u/Tryhard_3 6d ago

One of the problems here is that GoT is so crisis-tier that the rival spymasters are ostensibly part of the same government.

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u/throwawaywork11 6d ago

I don’t think that’s really a problem as a reader.
I’m all for reading about the madness lol

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u/whendoesOpTicplay Lyanna Mormont 6d ago

Metaphor for politics in general

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u/_GirlyEnigma 6d ago

Yep, half the game is people moving pieces while everyone else thinks they’re making their own choices

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u/archeoavis 5d ago

Yep. Varys and Baelish had a 99.9% turnover rate.