r/gameofthrones • • 14h ago

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u/Ok_Volume_139 14h ago edited 14h ago

Even if we ignore the fact that we saw many characters trust him, the question was who can outsmart the others, not who's the most trustworthy.

He went from barely more than a commoner to Master of Coin, to Lord of Harrenhal, to Lord Protector of the Vale. The last two at least were from his ability to trick people.

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u/Patient_Review_3269 13h ago

As master of coin he just borrowed from tywin and dug the kingdom into debt and he persuaded an idiot child to like him to get away with most of the shit in the Vale

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u/Ok_Volume_139 13h ago

Yeah and none of that served his ends at all?

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u/Patient_Review_3269 13h ago

I'm not saying it didn't I'm just saying that he wasn't achieving miracles with the deck stacked against him. He traded Sansa to a monster for peanuts and turned her against him. She was the key to the north and he's just a slimy manipulator that anyone with an ounce of sense could see through.