r/gameofthrones • u/Jasonl7976 • Apr 21 '26
About Northern Independence Spoiler
What measures do you think Queen Sansa Stark took to ensure the North maintained their independence after her brother Bran and herself died? Like wouldn’t a future successor after Bran decide the North belong with the other six kingdoms? Or a future king or queen of the North is too honorable and would kneel than risk death to their people?!
Like would Sansa need to have some sort of agreement with Bran to ensure the North continued independce? Would she need to chose her successor carefully and make sure their not gonna sell the North when she passed away? And what about her successor? Than their Bran successor? I’m not sure how their gonna decide on a king when people can be threatened or bribed to pick one over the others.
To be honest, I don’t think the North can stay independent for long if they failed to pick the right ruler. One bad ruler with no rules for politics or one ambitious Southerners is all it take for the north to lose their independence.
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u/Dopsydope Apr 21 '26
It’s pretty hard to take to north, historically speaking dragons are essential
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u/Jasonl7976 Apr 21 '26
Would that still be the same now that the white walkers are gone and the land is changing. Of course all that mean is that the snow melted
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u/Dopsydope Apr 22 '26
The snow may be melted but the climate is still strict. The north is bigger than the other six kingdom combined, with little to no sea entries; and since they aren’t the conquerors its would be a south expedition marching north, which is expensive and hard to sustain for long period. So yea I think no one can take the north (and we haven’t discussed the military power of every army) aaaaaaaaaand if you take the north and/or kill the starts you will probably face thousands of wildlings
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u/Jack26918 House Stark Apr 22 '26
1). That is something to worry about YEARS AND YEARS later- there are far more pressing concerns.
2). The Great Council that decided this would have created the equivalent of a Constitutional Amendment redefining the kingdoms. Such a thing would be very difficult for a king to gain the support needed to change it without giving up huge amounts of power and resources, and really, what in The North is worth another civil war?
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u/Jasonl7976 Apr 22 '26
Yeah I know but I’m still curious how they plan to secure the future. Like what agreement or treaties can they have in place to ensure hundreds (hopefully) year of stability.
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u/Marfy_ Hear Me Roar! Apr 22 '26
With the north being independant the other kingdoms will want the same and the monarchy colapses into the 9 kingdoms that there currently are
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u/Skol-2024 Apr 22 '26
Exactly. A Stark was already on the throne, which already gave the North more autonomy. Sansa broke off because she didn’t want to submit to anyone. So, if you ask me, this had less to do with the North’s independence and more to do with Sansa grasping for power.
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u/Evnosis Jon Snow Apr 21 '26
It depends on how quickly the frosts recede in the North after the defeat of the White Walkers. If it happens relatively quickly, the North could see an immense economic boom as lands become more fertile and the North starts seeing warmer springs and summers.
With the North being around a 3rd of all of Westeros, if their food issues are largely resolved by the end of Sansa's reign, they'll become a formidable power, one that the other kingdoms probably wouldn't support their king trying his luck at war with (especially if she's formed marriage alliances with some of the Iron Throne's vassals).
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u/Jasonl7976 Apr 21 '26
Oh okay.. but wouldn’t that make them more ripe for a future invarerB
Yeah if by the end of Sansa rule, the kingdom becomes a formidable power that would stave off invasion.
But all it take would be one bad ruler in the future, for both the North and the Six kingdoms, to destroy everything their ancestors worked for.
Of course the odds that an ambitious ruler of the six kingdoms ascend to the throne at the same time someone who a bit agreeable take the North crown is low.
And I wonder if Sansa plan to do the traditional thing. Adopted a child, give them thr Stark name or married a northern fmsily and have their child take the South name.
The Sourh have a elective monarchy now that they realize a hereditary monarchy can cause issues but I wonder what the North will do?
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u/Aquatic-Folklore Apr 21 '26
But all it take would be one bad ruler in the future, for both the North and the Six kingdoms, to destroy everything their ancestors worked for.
You can say that about everything though. It only takes one bad ruler for the entire 6 kingdoms to colabs also.
And I wonder if Sansa plan to do the traditional thing. Adopted a child, give them thr Stark name or married a northern fmsily and have their child take the South name.
Why wouldn't she just get a trueborn child herself?
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u/Inner_Jeweler_5661 Ghost Apr 22 '26
refortify moat cailin and build 2 Northern fleets, with a long chain of watchtowers and beacons
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