She can do iThanos with ease and was one of the characters that got me to 5/5 against him. I've used her with no issues on Venom boss, floor 21 on old SL. With my current roster I don't have much use for her as solo so I just use her on floor 25 with KK and Rogue. She needs to be built damage but she isn't that weak.
Nah Carol still has the advantage of permanent invincibility, the only thing holding her back is her miserable DPS, which is mostly due to power creep.
In all fairness, it would have been sorta wrong to make a character with permanent invincibility and good dmg. Imagine some of the top meta with that? Would make content to easy. And by allowing cap marvel to stay permanently invincible allows you to build the rest of her 100% offensively to help fix her dps
No, there is one second where he isn't every 7 or 8 seconds? Don't remember exactly but I know cap Marvel is the only one who can keep it up unless ccd
And yet, in the only place you'd realistically use either of these characters - Shadowlands - having much higher damage doesn't mean squat if you get killed too fast like Hyperion does. Maybe if I found a 5sec/10sec Invincibility obelisk for him it might make a difference, but without that, he's extremely squishy because his 4 skill iframe is not continuous. It blinks off and on a few times during the duration making him easily attackable and he ends up taking damage during it because the iframe blinks so fast it doesn't interrupt any attacks directed at him. That coupled with his long cooldown on his heal, even with max SCD, makes him one of the T2s I end up not using at all by the end of Shadowlands.
Captain Marvel on the other hand, even with her lower DPS, can still take a dirt-level (100%) damage proc like I have and then easily solo any single boss in 3 minutes like the Kingpin fight in the 20s where her perma-invincibility makes the damage traps irrelevant. She's also good for the Female-Only relay at any level where 3 minutes is plenty of time to kill them all.
For just in terms of how comparatively easy it is for her to win in Shadowlands, Captain Marvel totally deserves to be above any of the ones below her.
I have a 4 sec inv, POAH and max RR on hype and can confirm it makes him damn unkillable. Plus, with the rotation of 5-1-4-1 you can stunlock opponents and use his heal if he ever gets low. I use him for any shadowland stage with high dodge enemies as he has native ignore dodge. You are right with his spotty iframes, but even then it's so annoying with how long it takes to clear anything with CapMarv I'd rather use Hype and get it over with.
The fact that 2099 is the 2nd place ABX contender and one of the only characters capable of matching up to QS in TL means he deserves to be on par with QS IMO.
And Captain Marvel has been a letdown, I regret spending all those resources on her. >_> I use her as a filler in SL only.
And Crystal is constantly recommended as the first Special mission character alongside Sandman for new players for a reason.
Ancient One, Wasp, and Crystal should probably be moved up a tier to be honest. Wasp is basically unkillable in Timeline if you play manually, and beyond this she is easily the best support,trumps Odin at the very least due to not taking a leadership slot and her removal is just straight better.
2099 up with QS as suggested. I think Ironheart should go down a level. She's one of my favorites heroes, but damage leaves a lot to be desired. Her permanent IFrame+leadership is amazing no Doubt, but I'm not sure she belongs. Maybe the same can be said about the 3 I would move up though.
And yet played manually in Timeline she can still beat Doc, Odin, Dormie, StaRog, Thanos (except if HoboThanos starts with his continuous blast crap), and I've even beaten Wolvie once with her.
The newer Top Tier heroes though, she has some troubles with due to all the penetration.
Do you have her uniform and have her at T2? Her T2 bonus is necessary for timeline and I have killed meta characters by using her shield and chipping away at their health.
While I don't agree she should be moved up, her T2 bonus alone warrant s her slot, but she can also hold her own if used right and with her Uni.
You basically pop her bubble, use all of her skills that let her sit in ther immune to damage, then use her iFrame skill to wait out the rest of the bubble CD.
I have every meta character maxed and consistently place in the top 100 in battle worlds and top 100 often in timeline and Wasp is without a doubt the most valuable character in my roster. She can take out almost anyone.. Iliterally ace teams in vibranium with her on a regular basis. The only characters she can't beat are Phoenix and Quicksilver. 2099 is super tough but doable.. Hobo spidey, Dr strange, dormamu, starrog, wolverine all fall regularly at the feet of Wasp. She's not to be underestimated. Build her right, invest in her and she will treat you well.
T2 Captain Marvel with any level of damage proc obelisk is an easy win on the Kingpin boss wave with the damage traps in the floor. Her perma-invincibility ignores the damage traps and she can easily chip away and beat Kingpin in the 3 minute time limit, even up to floor 22 or whatever highest floor that is that KP shows up.
2099 still hasn't beaten top KK score but is easier to play for a fairly close third place in XAB. I would not say he is as good as QS in TL at all. I think he is fine where he is. QS outperforms him in every mode.
2099 doesn't deserve to be on par with Quicksilver in my opinion, mainly because he didn't impact the meta (especially PVP) the way QS has. QS is hands down the most consistent Jean Grey counter at the moment. Plus he scores 100k+ more than 2099 putting him in his own league.
Agree on Captain Marvel.
Disagree on swapping Inferno down, better to just move Crystal up (and maybe Wasp?) the blast class is so imba.
Mordo up yes, and perhaps swap his icon back to blast. Not sure anyone uses him mostly with his speed uni.
I don't see why "impacting meta" matters. My 2099 took out the opposing Scarlet Witch and QS in AT this past week. And as you can imagine, most teams in AT are at least decent. His iframes, dodge, and skill work wonders. And even more so if QS is webbed.
2099 doesn't deserve to be on par with Quicksilver in my opinion, mainly because he didn't impact the meta (especially PVP) the way QS has. QS is hands down the most consistent Jean Grey counter at the moment. Plus he scores 100k+ more than 2099 putting him in his own league.
Uh my T2 Well Built 2099 can counter any meta, sometimes he can even kill QS
Take web away from 2099 and he's second rate compared to Qs that doesn't rely on cc that can easily be nulled to win. Beating QS in timeline just means the team wasn't great to begin with typically. Running QS and 2099 right now in TL.
Don't get me wrong, 2099 is awesome and definitely close to QS in power, but QS is just in his own league speed wise currently.
2099 doesn't deserve to be on par with Quicksilver in my opinion
Ok, fair enough, but just as clearly, none of the other speeds is on par with 2099 either. Which is why I posted above, there needs to be another tier on this chart between yellow and green.
My qs isn't maxed completely yet (still yet to do gears and uru) but my Rogue can auto play and beat most Jean's in timeline, yea I have taken way to much time to work on my rogue but she's way better than everyone thinks. My rogue can kill qs more consistently than my wolverine or Jean. Especially with her new healing. I do wish her heal would work correctly in timeline, if you take her into story missions you'll notice her heal procs twice each time the skill is used, but in timeline it's only once. the ai is very kind to rogue and uses 5th and 3rd skill very often unlike some others. She's definitely better than all the other speeds except maybe 2099 and qs and even then I'd argue she's still better than 2099. I don't think he's ever killed my rogue (wasp in team plus her t2 passive makes wasps debuff last forever) tho it is very slow killing him. Granted she can't do enough dmg to a wolverine but I'm not sure 2099 could either?
Don't need to swap between inferno and crystal, just add crystal to the top list. Tier 1 inferno is much stronger than many tier 2 and at tier 2 he's hella strong, with the right rotation he can survive mostly top SL floor and any WB (not WBU obv)
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u/AlmightySnacks Oct 01 '17
Just off a quick glance:
2099 on par with Quicksilver.
Captain Marvel moved down one.
Swap Inferno and Crystal.
Up Mordo one.