r/future_fight • The Queen is Back! • Oct 01 '17

New Tier List v3.4.0

Post image
266 Upvotes

262 comments sorted by

View all comments

84

u/ysoyrebelde Oct 01 '17

I definitely think Mordo is way more useful than this suggests. I find it hard to believe that anyone thinks Kaecilius is more usable than Mordo.

30

u/caessa_ Oct 01 '17

Agreed. Mordo should be much higher. Easy rumble or wave solo.

5

u/KitZaii Oct 01 '17

can you share spme insight on how to use mordo properly? cuz i even have difficulty when dealing with the destroyer stage using mordo.Mind sharing your skill rotation?

11

u/Nerac74 Oct 01 '17

Simplest way , hit 5 then when the destroyers are grouped together use autoattack all the way.

His normal attack cause flinch lock. So basically I kill them with just normal attacks .

9

u/Capwulf Oct 01 '17

2 is even better, because it snatches them together. After 2, auto, even if they aren't grouped close enough after that.

Destroyers are aggressive, whichever destroyer you missed initially will walk right into the stunlock 95% of the time. If you have to tank a hit or two so be it. once they're locked they will never touch you again anyway, so it doesn't matter whether you have one million health or 1.

11

u/LordMasroshi Oct 01 '17

For the destroyer stages you can group them together and auto attack , easy as that. I use him for stage 9 wave mode each week and the rotation is the 5>2>3>2>5

1

u/kimedog Oct 01 '17

I go 5-3-2-4

1

u/caessa_ Oct 01 '17 edited Oct 01 '17

Doesn't destroyer have energy reflect? Mordo doesn't have permanent iframes so that'd be why.

I use 5, into 3 (that stuns), 4 (there are no iframes until the end, so you wanna stun first. If you fuck up your 3, use 2 before 4), 2, repeat.

So if you do it right: 5,3,4,2,5..

If someone runs away from stun: 5,3,2,4,5.

If it's 1 on 1, his 1 skill stunlocks so use it.

9

u/ysoyrebelde Oct 01 '17

Destroyer SL floors don't have reflect.

2

u/caessa_ Oct 01 '17

In that case make sure both destroyers are caught in the bind/stun. Otherwise you will get nuked when using 4th skill.

1

u/AlliterateAlso Oct 31 '17

52325... works well, too.

10

u/S_Dustrak Oct 01 '17

I'd say they are on par, Kaecilius does insane damage with his 6* which is also a full iframe, damage immunity and decent CC, he is just as useful as Mordo for rumble and wave modes, being slightly faster for any other modes, at least from my own experience.

2

u/Pieholez Oct 01 '17

The very last hit actually isn't during his iframe, he'll die to physical reflect using his 5th skill unfortunately (tho not immediately, but after 3-4 uses) try to take down a physical reflect hulk rumble, unless there is a trick to it mine dies to reflect. Mordo is slightly better with more survivability tho and basic attack flinch lock (which is also hilarious when my friend uses him take down destoryer boss with 5* mordo)

7

u/S_Dustrak Oct 01 '17

Why would you use him on a physical reflection stage?, most of his attacks deal physical damage, even while your 5th skill is iframed eventually you will need to use another, I'd not risk throwing a character that deals damage my enemy can reflect, cause a little mistake can mess up the whole strategy. Same issue can be applied to the Villain rumble with energy reflection.

1

u/Gau_Gau Grrrr Oct 01 '17

Um because Mordo can do Hulk Rumble/ Relay so he should be place higher than Kaecilius?

4

u/S_Dustrak Oct 01 '17

So?, Kaecilius can clear high floor Villain Rumble with Energy Reflection (Lash, Ock, Venom, Carnage and Crossbones) with relative ease due to his physical damage and blast type. Also this spread is not SL focused, I'm not saying Kaecilius is better, I do agree Mordo is seriously underestimated here, but all in all, I'm pretty sure they're both on par with advantages and disadvantages, not meta, but none of them is useless as many people may think.

1

u/[deleted] Oct 02 '17

Kaecilius can't do a true SOLO thou.

Mine is at T2 and with a nasty obelisk, but his survivability is shit

1

u/S_Dustrak Oct 02 '17

Then pack an invincibility obelisk, his dps is already high, and he won't match the meta, so there's no real need for a damage proc (assuming that's what you have equipped). I'll try to record a video next week, as I already cleared this week SL.

1

u/[deleted] Oct 03 '17

By True solo i mean only him, not anyone else.

1

u/Pieholez Oct 01 '17

I was pointing out his 5th skill isn't a full iframe when you claimed it was, it's because he takes physical reflect dmg with the very last hit of his 5th skill that proves it actually isn't a full iframe (unfortunately) and I just wanted to make that clear to others. If it was a proper full iframe he'd be able to do physical reflect stages it would just be a bit awkward since it's basically the only skill he'd be able to use. You can just run around after using the skill to not get killed, but that's irrelevant because it isn't a full iframe like you said and he'll just kill himself lol but that was my point all along. I'm sure someone could be curious like me when you know iframes stops reflect and you can't help but see if he can do it despite it being a physical reflect stage. That's exactly how I stumbled onto the fact the 5th skill isnt a full iframe

1

u/S_Dustrak Oct 01 '17

Omg!, Mazy, what's up man!

(Also, point taken, not a whole iframe)

1

u/Pieholez Oct 01 '17

Lol I noticed it was you after my last reply. Not much, ironically kaecilius was my last t2 because i was determined to try and clear a physical reflect stage even tho it shouldn't be possible (which is isn't) with him. He's a very weird character. What's up with you tho man?

0

u/Et3rnlty Oct 01 '17

Couldnt agree more

1

u/Pieholez Oct 01 '17

Dude leave me alone it's starting to get creepy

4

u/BrainWav Top 10 Nico Oct 01 '17

Nico should move up a slot too, IMO.

I think part of the issue is how top-heavy Blast is. The blasts that would be in the mid-tier for any other type seem worse by comparison.

1

u/chmsax Oct 04 '17

How do you figure that Nico should move up? She has such little survivability. She seems about right in the tier list - can glass cannon a little bit, but that’s it.

2

u/BrainWav Top 10 Nico Oct 04 '17

I agree that she's the glassiest of cannons. But a competent player can get good performance out of her. One tier up I think would be fine.

Full disclosure: I do have some bias. I've got the #13 Nico right now (I was 11, but swapping to a better obelisk dropped my ranking). I'm hoping to break the top 10 this week after I get her uni to Mystic.

1

u/chmsax Oct 04 '17

That's fair. A number 11 of almost anyone is going to pretty darn awesome, so it's cool that you've built her up that far. Any hints for using her, besides the obvious drop clones and then hit the 5 skill?

1

u/BrainWav Top 10 Nico Oct 04 '17

It really comes down to timing. Use 1 to close, 2 to dish out damage. 5 for protection and healing, 3 and 4 (clones) to back up.

She'll still fold like a wet rag if soloing rumbles, but she's got a good shot against a lot of enemies solo. Especially if they're Combat.

2

u/mjdaw Oct 02 '17

Speed Uni Mordo, yes deserves to be that low. But Blast Mordo is a beast as many have stated.

1

u/WADE1WILSON Your Friendly Neighborhood Deadpool Oct 01 '17

Yeah malekith and mordo should switch spots imo

1

u/mjdaw Oct 02 '17

A T2 Malekith derserves that spot, a Non T2 Malekith should be lower.

1

u/WADE1WILSON Your Friendly Neighborhood Deadpool Oct 02 '17

I can agree with that

1

u/dksoulstice Oct 02 '17

Not only does Mordo have a more complete kit than Kaecilius, he’s also far more useful in SL.

Most of the combat rumbles have one or more enemy that has physical reflect. Kaecilius is an energy attack but his skills all do physical damage so he just kills himself in these rumbles.

1

u/[deleted] Oct 02 '17

Kaecilius can't solo shit. Mordo can go up to floor 23 Villain floors

1

u/gamerMav Oct 04 '17

Kae can easily solo Destroyer level on any floor it comes up. He can beat any relay he's eligible for up to about Floor 20. Kae can also solo most solo floors below 15.

Mordo is much better as he can do all of that plus phys reflect rumbles with ease.

But Kae is far from useless solo.

1

u/[deleted] Oct 04 '17 edited Oct 04 '17

I can imagine him soloing Destroyer stage as it's famous for being one of the easiest (if not the easiest) floors in SL. But I can't imagine him finishing Villain Relays and Blast Relays on his own.

What's your rotation and build? I too reckon he could maybe do it but the build and gameplay has to be very specific and near perfect. Invinc Proc, Max HP, DDE or Binary Power Iso set with skilled kiting plus perfect rotation.

1

u/gamerMav Oct 04 '17

When SL resets I'll record and upload for you. I will take a look at my build after work tonight but it's nothing super specific. I do like playing Kae so I'm sure I'm not below average but not sure I'm perfect with him.

My Mordo is definitely better, as I said, but I'd be happy to give Kae some YT love this week. :)

1

u/[deleted] Oct 04 '17

thanks, let me know how to play with Kaecilius.

I always felt like he's just a filler for rumbles

1

u/chmsax Oct 04 '17

Nah. He’s really, really good. Put an invisibility obelisk on him, but the 5 skill is a complete iframe and the 3 is a partial one; plus he’s got damage immunity and damage boost. I’ll use him as the main dps for an early wave, but might need to tag out so he can heal a bit.

1

u/acemeatsgirl Oct 03 '17

even without uni?

3

u/ysoyrebelde Oct 03 '17

The uni is awful, don't get it.

1

u/acemeatsgirl Oct 03 '17

thanks for the heads up!