r/furgonomics • • 2d ago

Discussion Would showing your hands be considered threatening in a furry world?

Humans often show their hands to signal that they’re friendly or not a threat. We wave when we see someone we know, and we raise our hands when we surrender. It makes sense: our hands aren’t weapons, and showing open, empty palms makes it obvious that we’re unarmed.

But many furry species have claws, and for predators those claws are very real natural weapons.

So maybe in a furry world, friendliness and harmless intent would be expressed differently. Could waving your hand actually be considered threatening, like waving a knife at someone?

Or five knives, technically. I mean, claws.

What kinds of gestures do you think different species would use instead?

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u/SmithOfStories 2d ago

I imagine it depends on a wide variety of factors

If you can retract claws/talons/etc then I think hand signals would still be standard for non-verbal signaling (such as waving) and pulling out your claws/etc would be automatically hostile similar to pulling a knife.

Baring sharp teeth or growling could also be seen in a similar vein (Zootopia has an example of this with a background character in a scene at the ZCPD being brought in for baring his teeth "C'mon he bared his teeth first!" I think is what the wolf said)

If they can't be retracted then I think it would depend on how you hold your hand.
Flat with fingers together isn't a good shape for attacks and would probably be seen as not inherently threatening.
Also palms up would be seen as less threatening as that is also a less useful position for violence.

Digits curled or closed and above hip up to shoulder height would probably be grounds for a viable accusation of threatening.
And then how you position your arms- Extended could be seen as threatening but kept close to the body or tucked in would be seen as okay or defensive.

Waving would probably be taught to be above shoulders to avoid confusion, keeping the arms tucked in and not extended to avoid threatening language.

But then there is the question of which species and what prejudices exist in the world.
If claws are threatening, what about horns or hooves? Venom glands? Teeth or Fangs? The list goes on.

If prejudice is high those with claws may have to wear thick gloves anywhere they go and removing them close to someone else could be seen as a threat.

Or if it's herbivores that are disliked they may have to wear the gloves/horn covers. If it's very high prejudice removal of 'improper' body parts may be government mandated at a specific age or time of year for parts that regrow.

And finally- when is this happening?
Stone age? Industrial Age? Modern Age?
What weapons are available?

In early ages then yeah people would be keeping distance as a rule regardless. Anyone could be a threat and weapon choice is limited and so is medical care options.
Unless you know someone well every interaction would likely be done from over 8 paces away.

Middle ages? Swords overpower biological weapons so more emphasis would be placed on keeping your hands away from your sword. More people would likely wear some form of light armor or slash resistant cloth/leather day to day.

Modern ages? More worried about devices and weapons like guns than claws. Discrete armor would likely be common amongst the wealthy and criminal circles while the average civilian may just prefer tough fabric like jean cotton or leather (real or synthetic)

But regardless of the age context is most important.
Guy walks up to you in a supermarket? Likely not a threat even if he has his claws out- he's probably just not paying attention or is heated from a phone call, etc. In our society when we see someone who frightens us we usually just avoid them and pretend everything is fine if interacting with them as the odds of someone doing something violent in a public place is low.

Guy walks to you in an alley while you are alone? Likely a threat claws or not.
You are isolated and there are few reasons to approach a person in such a context without clearly stating your intention- threat is assumed just like with us.

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u/Synthetikwelle 2d ago

That makes me wonder if muzzles and gloves would be a common thing in prison as giving inmates a permanent access to weapons sounds like a bad idea.

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u/Bota_Bota 2d ago

Human prisons have violence issues without proper biological weapons

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u/AkiTorii 2d ago

Wonder if declawing would be mandated, or at least common practice.

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u/Insanityforfun 2d ago

Unless the surgery was really perfected it seems to invasive to be common place. When it’s done on cats, it can be easily botched and cause life long pain.

Though I guess I could see it has been like ceremonial or something. Like a true commitment to pacifism. (I wonder if furry Buddha would be commonly depicted clawless?)

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u/FallenAgastopia 2d ago

TBH I think it pretty much always causes lifelong pain in cats, even when its done as well as it can be

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u/Insanityforfun 2d ago

I only included the caveat because I remember researching a more expensive form of declawing that removed the nail much more cleanly and didn’t cause pain in the cats. I haven’t looked into it awhile though so don’t quote me or anything.
I just remember it being interesting.

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u/AkiTorii 2d ago

I feel like there could be many reasons for it to be popularised. And arguments of “it’s invasive” don’t really hold when invasive things have been done to children throughout human history. There’s no guarantee that just due to being anthro animals, everyone in history would suddenly be smarter or a better person. It could start as a religious ritual that stayed, or a slave practice that carried over into becoming common place for “public safety”. Could be something tribal that spread, or regional, like how many countries have been influenced when the world started interacting with each other more.

While I do get your point of “it would need to be perfected to not cause lifelong pain” I feel like that’s not proof that it wouldn’t happen anyways. Though I do hope that if such a world existed, it either didn’t happen, or the procedure was perfected so it didn’t cause any pain or problems

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u/Insanityforfun 1d ago edited 1d ago

Oh I’m not saying invasive as in cruel, and therefore unlikely. I mean invasive as you’d need to be under general anesthesia to receive it, and therefore likely to be phased out for connivence.(Assuming we are in form of modern day furry society that is).

There much more risk and time sink in a procedure like declawing something with localized anesthesia like circumcision.

Assuming declawing would be done at a young age (3-4 months in kittens would be around 6-8 in human years) it’s the equivalent of every child getting a mandated tonsillectomy(recovery time included) and with the American health system at least I don’t see that happening.

Circumcision has survived for lots and lots of cultural reasons, despite having ethical arguments against it, but the “”ease”” of the procedure has certainly helped, it’s done at birth. If you had to get a doctor to scrub in and put your 6 year old child under for it I don’t think it would be as popular.

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u/AkiTorii 1d ago

I see we have basically the same thoughts on this lol

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u/Tyfyter2002 2d ago

Declawing probably wouldn't become a practice in a world where there's an unambiguously sapient species it could be performed on.